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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Today, United will get a call from me. They're not going to like it.

And United will have run out of rat's asses to give.....

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Today, United will get a call from me. They're not going to like it.

And United will have run out of rat's asses to give.....

Meaning what?

Very simply, sir, that United will not give a rat's ass that you called to voice your opinion, complain, etc. Two words...

BOTTOM
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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
Really stupid policy to randomly select people to be bumped.

It's not a random selection. The person being bumped is the person who checked in last.

The article said the selection was random.

I feel pretty sure that the fare agreement contains your agreement to this procedure. But, it would be better (and cheaper in terms of publicity) for the airline to just keep increasing the offer to take a bump until someone accepts the cash.

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Rule 25 Denied Boarding Compensation

Denied Boarding (U.S.A./Canadian Flight Origin) - When there is an Oversold UA flight that originates in the U.S.A. or Canada, the following provisions apply:
Request for Volunteers
UA will request Passengers who are willing to relinquish their confirmed reserved space in exchange for compensation in an amount determined by UA (including but not limited to check or an electronic travel certificate). The travel certificate will be valid only for travel on UA or designated Codeshare partners for one year from the date of issue and will have no refund value. If a Passenger is asked to volunteer, UA will not later deny boarding to that Passenger involuntarily unless that Passenger was informed at the time he was asked to volunteer that there was a possibility of being denied boarding involuntarily and of the amount of compensation to which he/she would have been entitled in that event. The request for volunteers and the selection of such person to be denied space will be in a manner determined solely by UA.
Boarding Priorities - If a flight is Oversold, no one may be denied boarding against his/her will until UA or other carrier personnel first ask for volunteers who will give up their reservations willingly in exchange for compensation as determined by UA. If there are not enough volunteers, other Passengers may be denied boarding involuntarily in accordance with UA’s boarding priority:
Passengers who are Qualified Individuals with Disabilities, unaccompanied minors under the age of 18 years, or minors between the ages of 5 to 15 years who use the unaccompanied minor service, will be the last to be involuntarily denied boarding if it is determined by UA that such denial would constitute a hardship.
The priority of all other confirmed passengers may be determined based on a passenger’s fare class, itinerary, status of frequent flyer program membership, and the time in which the passenger presents him/herself for check-in without advanced seat assignment.
Transportation for Passengers Denied Boarding - When UA is unable to provide previously confirmed space due to an Oversold flight, UA will provide transportation to such Passengers who have been denied boarding whether voluntarily or involuntarily in accordance with the provisions below.
UA will transport the Passenger on its own flight to the Destination without Stopover on its next flight on which space is available at no additional cost to the Passenger, regardless of class of service.
If space is available on another Carrier’s flight regardless of class of service, such flights may be used upon United’s sole discretion and the Passenger’s request at no additional cost to the Passenger only if such flight provides an earlier arrival than the UA flight offered in 3) a) above.
Compensation for Passengers Denied Boarding Involuntarily
For passengers traveling in interstate transportation between points within the United States, subject to the EXCEPTIONS in section d) below, UA shall pay compensation to Passengers denied boarding involuntarily from an Oversold Flight at the rate of 200% of the fare to the Passenger’s first Stopover or, if none, Destination, with a maximum of 675 USD if UA offers Alternate Transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the Passenger’s Destination or first Stopover more than one hour but less than two hours after the planned arrival time of the Passenger’s original flight. If UA offers Alternate Transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the Passenger’s Destination or first Stopover more than two hours after the planned arrival time of the Passenger’s original flight, UA shall pay compensation to Passengers denied boarding involuntarily from an Oversold Flight at the rate of 400% of the fare to the Passenger’s first Stopover or, if none, Destination with a maximum of 1350 USD.
For passengers traveling from the United States to a foreign point, subject to the EXCEPTIONS in section d) below, UA shall pay compensation to Passengers denied boarding involuntarily from an Oversold Flight originating at a U.S. airport at the rate of 200% of the fare to the Passenger’s first Stopover or, if none, Destination, with a maximum of 675 USD if UA offers Alternate Transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the Passenger’s Destination or first Stopover more than one hour but less than four hours after the planned arrival time of the Passenger’s original flight. If UA offers Alternate Transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the Passenger’s Destination or first Stopover more than four hours after the planned arrival time of the Passenger’s original flight, UA shall pay compensation to Passengers denied boarding involuntarily from an Oversold Flight at the rate of 400% of the fare to the Passenger’s first Stopover or, if none, Destination with a maximum of 1350 USD.
For passengers traveling from Canada to a foreign point, subject to the EXCEPTIONS in section d) below, UA shall pay compensation to Passengers denied boarding involuntarily from an Oversold Flight originating at a Canadian airport with a maximum of 200 CAD if UA offers Alternate Transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the Passenger’s Destination or first Stopover more than one hour but less than four hours after the planned arrival time of the Passenger’s original flight. If UA offers Alternate Transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the Passenger’s Destination or first Stopover more than four hours after the planned arrival time of the Passenger’s original flight, UA shall pay compensation to Passengers denied boarding involuntarily from an Oversold Flight with a maximum of 300 CAD. At the passenger’s request, compensation in the form of check, wire transfer, visa card, or a travel voucher will be made by UA, and if accepted by the Passenger, the Passenger will provide a signed receipt to UA.
EXCEPTIONS: A Passenger denied boarding involuntarily from an Oversold Flight shall not be eligible for denied boarding compensation if:
The flight is cancelled;
The Passenger holding a Ticket for confirmed reserved space does not comply fully with the requirements in this Contract of Carriage Requirements regarding ticketing, check-in, reconfirmation procedures, and acceptance for transportation;
The flight for which the Passenger holds confirmed reserved space is unable to accommodate the Passenger because of substitution of equipment of lesser capacity when required by operational or safety reasons or, on an aircraft with a designed passenger capacity of 60 or fewer seats, the flight for which the passenger holds confirmed reserved space is unable to accommodate that passenger due to weight/balance restrictions when required by operational or safety reasons;
The Passenger is offered accommodations or is seated in a section of the aircraft other than that specified on his/her ticket at no extra charge. Provided, if a Passenger is seated in a section for which a lower fare applies, the Passenger will be entitled to a refund applicable to the difference in fares;
The Passenger is accommodated on Alternate Transportation at no extra cost, which at the time such arrangements are made, is planned to arrive at the airport of the Passenger’s next Stopover, (if any), or at the Destination, not later than 60 minutes after the planned arrival time of the flight on which the Passenger held confirmed reserved space;
The Passenger is an employee of UA or of another Carrier or other person traveling without a confirmed reserved space; or
The Passenger does not present him/herself at the loading gate for boarding at least 15 minutes prior to scheduled domestic departures, and 30 minutes prior to scheduled international departures. See Rule 5 D) for additional information regarding boarding cut-off times.

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Originally posted by entropy:
If you want overbooking to end, then the idea of flying from JFK-LAX for $179 bucks must end as well.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Today, United will get a call from me. They're not going to like it.

And United will have run out of rat's asses to give.....

Meaning what?

Very simply, sir, that United will not give a rat's ass that you called to voice your opinion, complain, etc. Two words...

BOTTOM
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Why don't you tend to your own business and let me worry abut whether or not my time is wasted on such an effort? I don't give a fuck about their "BOTTOM LINE" or the opinions of others as to what effect my efforts may have.

I get the impression that those of you who are pilots or work in the airline industry think the rest of us are clueless, huh? Is that it? You need to tell the rest of us how things are? I'm here to tell you, guys, that a blind man can see how fucked up things are with the commercial airline cattle industry.

You think you're going to give us a fresh perspective on this? A pile of shit is still a pile of shit, no matter how you look at it.

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Originally posted by ulsterman:
. . .I'm guessing the 4 employees missed their flight.

No forward thinking in that evolution at all.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by entropy:
To blame it entirely on the carriers is folly.

HORSE SHIT

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Originally posted by exx1976:
If I may be so bold as to "put words into entropy's mouth",

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Originally posted by Sigmanic:
I'm somewhat surprised that no one jumped at the $800 offer the get bumped.

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Originally posted by mutedblade:

To the commercial pilots on this board: I appreciate you for the skill you have and what your job entails but don't for a minute believe that standing up for asinine policies will buy you any good will from people like the guy in this video who was obviously f***** over.

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Originally posted by entropy:

Thanks for reminding me how simple and easy this business is.

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^^^^^^^^^^
Ahhhhhhh. So the selection WASN'T "at random", as others have claimed. I would bet my next per diem check the computer selected the 4 individuals who checked in last by time-stamp. It still doesn't change the fact that this flight had so much FAIL in it by multiple parties...

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Originally posted by entropy:
Thanks for reminding me how simple and easy this business is.