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Originally posted by smschulz:

Why do you gotta go down that road?

Because there's a decent chance it's the reality we're facing next summer.

Personally, I think Trump will be the nomination, but at the pace the opposition is working against Trump, there's a chance he could be denied the nomination. Then who would be the GOP nominee?

Deny the nomination? Are you kidding? On what grounds that might not result in chaos? Even the Constitution isn’t onboard with the Dem plan for conviction. The 14th Amendment is what they are shooting for. I don’t believe it would hold up to a legitimate SCOTUS look see. It starts with congressmen, then electors, then anyone civil or military. Odd way to order it if you meant President. Trump is getting the nomination. Get on board or not it won’t change that.

If the GOP goes down the road of denying him the nomination and/or not fighting with all their power to prevent that from happening, you'll see the largest write-in campaign in the history of this country supporting Trump for President! And if it comes to that the GOP is done...FOREVER!

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Originally posted by RichardC:
If J. Biden can't be the 2024 "Democrat" nominee, and God-forbid, President Trump cannot be the "Republican" 2024 nominee,
who do WE want?

Most of us here will continue to stand with Trump as long as he lives and breathes and fights.
We won't cross that bridge unless we have to.

It's highly likely if Trump is convicted it will be in DC, doesn't matter the belief of his supporters, it's a court with a decidedly bias judge, and it will be a bias jury.

Now if that happens, he now has a felony on his record and the GOP will not allow a felon to run for POTUS and this is the plan to stop DJT, and it's not just backed by the lunatic leftists progressive purple haired people, it's left and right working to remove him from the ticket.

Now he will appeal, and probably win, but it stalls his campaign or does it. Does he then choose to run as an I if the GOP refuses to allow him to run on the party platform due to his felon status.

Thats part of the reason for the multi lawsuit federal and states combined, different venues in order to get that status on DJT.

Will it happen, maybe, but if it does, look to DC for this as the place where they go hardest to convict him .

If the GOP did that they would be done. I would never vote for another Republican again. I don’t worry about this because they understand this and they are self serving enough to not destroy their own machine. Trump is the nominee regardless of ridiculous criminal cases out there.

Trump has received the endorsement of the entire Alabama U.S. House Delegation, six members, none for DeSantis. To date, Trump has secured official endorsements from more than 80 members of Congress, including most of the Florida Congressional Delegation, while DeSantis has five.

https://www.politico.com/news/...-in-alabama-00109854

^^^ Great news!

Ron, the politician, "I desperately need that big money"...


DeSantis Dismisses Trump’s 2020 Election Theories as False
The Florida governor went further than he has before in acknowledging that the election was not stolen as a major donor pressured him to appeal to moderates.

By Nicholas Nehamas and Lisa Lerer
Aug. 4, 2023
Updated 7:00 p.m. ET

Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida said that claims about the 2020 election being stolen were false, directly contradicting a central argument of former President Donald J. Trump and his supporters.

The comments went further than Mr. DeSantis typically goes when asked about Mr. Trump’s defeat. The governor has often tried to hedge, refusing to acknowledge that the election was fairly conducted. In his response on Friday, Mr. DeSantis did not mention Mr. Trump by name — saying merely that such theories were “unsubstantiated.” But the implication was clear.

“All those theories that were put out did not prove to be true,” Mr. DeSantis said in response to a reporter’s question after a campaign event at a brewery in Northeast Iowa.

The more aggressive response comes a day after Mr. Trump was arraigned on charges related to his plot to overturn the 2020 election, and as Mr. DeSantis’s campaign struggles to gain traction and burns through cash.

On Friday, Mr. DeSantis was dealt another blow: Robert Bigelow, the biggest individual donor to Never Back Down, the super PAC supporting Mr. DeSantis, told Reuters he would stop giving money to the group unless Mr. DeSantis took a more moderate approach and got other major donors on board.

As he has courted Mr. Trump’s voters, Mr. DeSantis has blasted the prosecution in the election case as politically motivated and has said that he did not want to see Mr. Trump charged. His new comments suggest that Mr. Trump’s legal peril may have altered his political calculation.

Mr. DeSantis also suggested on Friday that he would pardon Mr. Trump, should the former president be convicted in the election case.

“I don’t think it’s in the best interest of the country to have a former president that’s almost 80 years old go to prison,” he told reporters at a campaign stop in Waverly, Iowa. It was an answer that, by invoking Mr. Trump’s age, also served to highlight the contrast with Mr. DeSantis, who is 44.

“And just like Ford pardoned Nixon, sometimes you’ve got to put this stuff behind you, and we need to start focusing on things having to do with the country’s future,” Mr. DeSantis said, and added: “This election needs to be about Jan. 20, 2025, not Jan. 6, 2021.”

But his remarks about the 2020 election have previously been far more circumspect. He generally uses such questions on the subject to talk about electability, lament the “culture of losing” that has developed among Republicans under Mr. Trump’s leadership and boast about the security of Florida’s elections.

On Friday, Mr. DeSantis did criticize aspects of the 2020 election, including changes to voting procedures made because of the coronavirus pandemic. But he specifically dismissed one particularly far-fetched theory that Venezuela, now led by President Nicolás Maduro, hacked voting machines.

As he has courted Mr. Trump’s voters, Mr. DeSantis has blasted the prosecution in the election case as politically motivated and has said that he did not want to see Mr. Trump charged. His new comments suggest that Mr. Trump’s legal peril may have altered his political calculation.

Mr. DeSantis also suggested on Friday that he would pardon Mr. Trump, should the former president be convicted in the election case.

“I don’t think it’s in the best interest of the country to have a former president that’s almost 80 years old go to prison,” he told reporters at a campaign stop in Waverly, Iowa. It was an answer that, by invoking Mr. Trump’s age, also served to highlight the contrast with Mr. DeSantis, who is 44.

“And just like Ford pardoned Nixon, sometimes you’ve got to put this stuff behind you, and we need to start focusing on things having to do with the country’s future,” Mr. DeSantis said, and added: “This election needs to be about Jan. 20, 2025, not Jan. 6, 2021.”

But his remarks about the 2020 election have previously been far more circumspect. He generally uses such questions on the subject to talk about electability, lament the “culture of losing” that has developed among Republicans under Mr. Trump’s leadership and boast about the security of Florida’s elections.

On Friday, Mr. DeSantis did criticize aspects of the 2020 election, including changes to voting procedures made because of the coronavirus pandemic. But he specifically dismissed one particularly far-fetched theory that Venezuela, now led by President Nicolás Maduro, hacked voting machines.

“It was not an election that was conducted the way I think that we want to, but that’s different than saying Maduro stole votes or something like that,” he said. “Those theories, you know, proved to be unsubstantiated.”

Mr. DeSantis also said he did not have much time to watch coverage of his chief rival’s arraignment on Thursday.

“I saw a little bit,” he said. “Unfortunately, one of the things as governor that you have to do is oversee executions. So we had an execution yesterday, so I was tied up with that for most of the day.”

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His new comments suggest that Mr. Trump’s legal peril may have altered his political calculation.

What I love about Trump is that he is authentic. DeSantis was… but now says what he thinks donors want to hear. He’ll keep sinking.

It’s probably obvious to everyone but himself by now but DeSantis doesn’t stand a chance in hell. With his comments about Donald Trump, DeSantis had better hope it doesn’t alienate voters in Florida against him because we love Donald Trump here.

If DeSantis was smart, which he doesn’t appear to be, he’d drop out and get behind Trump in 2024 and use those 4 successful years to run himself in 2028.

Yes, ol' Ron has looked clumsy at every step. From his taking forever to announce, to his jacked-up announcement event, all the way down the line, he has said the wrong thing, done the wrong thing and my opinion of him is quite different than it was before he started this clown car campaign of his.

He's too young, too inexperienced and apparently he has people around him who are telling him only the things he wants to hear. It seems that he has lost or perhaps has never had a proper perspective on his presidential aspirations and I don't think he realizes how he's being perceived these days.

The Republican Party (that is to say, the right arm of the Uniparty) has got to understand that if they abandon Donald Trump, they might as well just forget about 2024. Whether or not Donald Trump wins or loses or even becomes the nominee (which seems to be all but a certainty), they need to stick with him until he's out of the race. Otherwise, the Trump supporters of this nation will abandon the Republicans when they need them the most. The Republican politicians and the RNC need to wake up and smell the coffee. The leftists can indict Donald Trump 10,000 times but it will not make us waver.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Yes, ol' Ron has looked clumsy at every step. From his taking forever to announce, to his jacked-up announcement event, all the way down the line, he has said the wrong thing, done the wrong thing and my opinion of him is quite different than it was before he started this clown car campaign of his.

He's too young, too inexperienced and apparently he has people around him who are telling him only the things he wants to hear. It seems that he has lost or perhaps has never had a proper perspective on his presidential aspirations and I don't think he realizes how he's being perceived these days.

FL resident here, DeSantis has been an incredible governor but his actions and missteps in the last year running for President are making me reconsider my support for him as governor, never mind president.

I’m off the DeSantis train.

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Originally posted by reloader-1:

FL resident here, DeSantis has been an incredible governor but his actions and missteps in the last year running for President are making me reconsider my support for him as governor, never mind president.

I’m off the DeSantis train.

Oh come on. I get not supported him for president, but get a grip. When it comes to governors, there's been no one even close. Seriously, wtf?

When you get an uber squishy sack of shit republican like Spencer Cox as your governor, then give me a call.

Well, why don't you tell the man how he should think and what his opinion should be? I'm sure he would like to know.

I'm simply stating my opinion. Is there anyone here denying Ron DeSantis has been a fantastic governor?

No, what you're doing is telling a member their position is outrageous because you disagree with it. He's got bad ideas and you're correcting him, helping him get his mind right.

Well yes. Saying in one breath DeSantis has been an incredible governor and then in the next saying he questions his support for him in that very same office I find to be utterly incongruous.

I don't support DeSantis for President (at least not at this moment) , but I wish I had a governor like him here in Utah.

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Originally posted by Edmond:
If DeSantis was smart, which he doesn’t appear to be, he’d drop out and get behind Trump in 2024 and use those 4 successful years to run himself in 2028.

IF he fesses up, admits he fucked up by aligning with the Deep State Republicans, drops his candidacy and immediately supports Trump and MAGA, he could redeem himself.

But he won't, IMO his now evident behavior didn't just manifest over night. This is who he was and is, a pure politician. Guys like Charlie Kirk, who used to like DeSantis, no longer feel DeSantis is a viable candidate in 2028 anymore, something Trump predicted months ago if DeSantis continued down the path.

And Trump knows DeSantis, thus why he criticized and attacked him early, made fun of him. Trump knew exactly what he was doing, who he was dealing with.

It sucks to see this anti trump GOP wing of consultants and donors drive their train off a cliff out of their TDS.
DeSantis is a fantastic governor. His path through COVID was the best in the nation and especially for a state this size. He has also made excellent strides along various other issues in the state. No one is perfect, there are issues that get under your skin and you wish they can be resolved your way, etc. Best governor of Florida in my lifetime.

That being said. The presidential campaign...I don't know what to say really. kind of a catastrophe. A few things got me:
1) flip flop on Ukraine. Smells of donor fluffing...they need Him not the other way around
2) recent 2020 election fraud dismissal...is well just a stupid thing to do. ignoring the topic was better or pivot to the stricter election laws in Florida that yield...results
3) campaign pushes anti-woke vs his COVID record...I don't understand why not both at least

They recently unveiled a "restart" or something to the campaign.... Just looks poorly run to say the least. He is battling Ramaswamy more then Trump at this point.. The more prevalent reason is Trump is running...I cant imagine a good reason to run against him in this cycle. DeSantis can definitely become a good president one day..just not the optimal time.