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Originally posted by chellim1:
and LBJ was never elected POTUS.

Actually, he was.

1964 United States presidential election

^^^ Oh, yeah.... that's right. How could I forget Barry Goldwater?
It was 1968 when he didn't run.

Gerald Ford was the only President who was never elected, and it's how we might get President Harris...

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Gerald Ford was the only President who was never elected, and it's how we might get President Harris...

Kind of. He was elected to the House of Representatives, the only political office he ever ran for.
Harris has run for nearly every conceivable office. If she succeeds Brandon, it's not new or novel... nine VPs have assumed the Presidency upon death or resignation of the President.

That's where the similarities end. Ford was not a strong or particularly memorable President, but a good person. Harris is a shit-stain on America's civil society.

^^^So is her boss!

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Ford was not a strong or particularly memorable President, but a good person.

Yeah, he was. He was the opposite of LBJ who was cunning, and good at wrangling legislation through congress... all of it terrible, of course.

Thread drift: Most of our current problems can be traced back to LBJ, including welfare dependency and illegal immigration.

The Deep State must be defeated. Donald Trump was elected in 2016 to do that. He's still in the best position to do so. But, Vivek Ramaswamy expands the conversation:

A must-see video to understand how bad the Deep State really is

The real power in America lies with the permanent, Democrat- and union-controlled, and very unconstitutional administrative state. Vivek Ramaswamy spoke about this problem with Philip Howard, who has been writing for decades about the problems with America’s overwhelming bureaucracy. If we are to change America’s destiny, a conservative president must break the Deep State.

1. The Deep State is unconstitutional. The Constitution does not authorize a permanent bureaucracy as a fourth branch of government. It says only that the Article II executive is responsible for certain tasks and implies that he may hire the people he needs to execute them. Congress has a say in the matter depending on its willingness to fund the people hired. This means that, under the Constitution, the president of the United States is the big boss.

Today, America has an all-powerful bureaucracy that exists separate from the president and acts as a legislature to create binding rules and as the police, judge, jury, and executioner to enforce the rules. This is patently extra-constitutional and, therefore, unconstitutional.

Image: Vivek and Philip Howard. YouTube screen grab.

2. Government unions are a huge part of the problem. When private sector unions began, there were no government protections for workers, and those workers on the lowest end of the economic scale had no negotiating power, making them vulnerable to abuse. Unions gave them the representation they needed to make demands about wages and humane working conditions.

Importantly, private sector unions mean both parties to the negotiation have skin in the game. The corporation’s highest and best functionality serves workers and owners because it generates the money. They can still make stupid decisions (witness Detroit pricing itself out of the car market), but the tension of competing interests between the two parties at the negotiating table helps keep things honest.
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It's different with public sector unions. Franklin Roosevelt, who, along with Woodrow Wilson, got the Deep State started, refused to unionize because he understood the difference. In 1937, he explained,

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

Put simply, the government administrators and union bosses at the negotiating table have no skin in the game. The money comes from the taxpayers. The negotiators are playing with a perpetually replenishable fund of other people’s money.

This reality did not stop John F. Kennedy from issuing Executive Order 10988, unionizing federal workers, in January 1962. Once in place, it permanently allied government workers with the Democrats.

For 60-plus years, Democrat-allied bureaucrats have sat across the table from public sector union bosses, arguing over how to divide taxpayer money. The understanding is that the bureaucrats will generously fund the unions while the unions, in turn, will generously fund the Democrats. It was and is completely corrupt. And as the video below explains, it’s even more corrupt than most people realize.

Politicians don’t want to change the system. I had the opportunity to ask a Republican presidential candidate if, as president, he would use his executive power to revoke EO 10988. His eyes bulged, and he frantically side-stepped the question. (I’m sorry I cannot name him because it was an off-the-record affair.)

3. Understanding just how bad the bureaucracy is. We’ve all had our run-ins with the government, usually at the local level, whether trying to get a permit to remodel our home or simply trying to get a driver’s license. While there are perfectly lovely and competent government employees, too many are unaccountable, petty tyrants or, just as bad, terrified mice who will not deviate one iota from the regulations that are their shields and swords. A school I worked with had to replace a $160,000 wheelchair ramp because it was a half-inch too narrow, a problem that made no difference to its functionality but that missed the rigid bureaucrat’s regulatory obsession.

4. Philip Howard. Howard has been writing about overregulation for decades now. He’s gone from wryly exasperated (The Death of Common Sense: How Law Is Suffocating America) to full-out warrior mode (Not Accountable: Rethinking the Constitutionality of Public Employee Unions).

5. Vivek Ramaswamy. Because he’s not a politician, Vivek has the courage to tread where politicians dare not go. Therefore, he’s not just talking about “shrinking” the Deep State, he’s talking about obliterating it. That’s why, when he and Howard get together, it’s mind-blowing. The interview is short and starts a bit slowly, but it picks up and, when it ends, you’ll understand why I think everyone should watch/listen to it:



while I cannot currently see a path to the presidency for Vivek (Trump and DeSantis loom too large), he is saying really important things.

https://www.americanthinker.co...state_really_is.html

I actually viewed this clip last week. Vivek Ramaswamy is a very interesting guy, IMO, more than DeSantis. Like Trump, he is a very successful businessman, not a politician, and like Trump, very intelligent. It is also interesting that Trump likes Ramaswamy, has good things to say about him, and he too thinks he is smart and likable. And I agree with Trump, so much, that I see Ramaswamy as an excellent V.P. choice- along with the above, he is a child of immigrants, and his ethnicity crosses over all political spectrums.

Ron DeSantis Privately Tells Corporate Donors He Is Against U.S Tariffs on Chinese Goods

This is the big one. The Economic Policy is the distinct and singular policy at the core of Make America Great Again. The MAGA coalition is centered around the principles of America First economics, and Ron DeSantis has just admitted he does not support them.

CTH has long warned about Ron DeSantis’ economic policy being driven by the donors who fund him. When he was in congress, DeSantis voted in support of Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) for President Obama, and DeSantis voted in support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement (TPP).

These are the trade policies supported by the Club for Growth who was congressman DeSantis’ biggest funder. The Club for Growth also held the pre-announcement donor fundraiser in February of this year in support of DeSantis ’24.

The Wall Street billionaire, hedge fund, multinational corporate alliance, that assembles at Sea Island and funds Ron DeSantis, are fully against America First trade and economic policies. DeSantis has just made an admission of his alignment with that corporate “globalist” outlook to a private confab of donors in California.

The DeSantis campaign is in full panic and retreat mode now that his establishment position is exposed. The statements during the secret meeting were leaked.

[CALIFORNIA] […] The Republican snuck in and out of the Coalinga landmark undetected by the public nor the media, by design. He flew in and out of the nearby Coalinga airport, ushered to the back loading docks by unmarked Fresno County Sheriff’s vehicles.

The Central Valley lunch stop for 60 donors — paying $3,300 — was in between a breakfast event in Sacramento, and an evening in southern California. The only indication that something special was going on was a “private event” sign. Most of the questions for the security guard related to the location of the restrooms.

[…] John Harris, the rancher and entrepreneur, hosted the DeSantis event at his eponymous resort, along with Fresno developer Richard F. Spencer. Harris was unable to attend, but Spencer did grant a rare media interview with GV Wire.

[…] The Florida governor also talked about global supply chain problems and China, and “how to make life better for the people here in the United States,” Maher said. Others reported that DeSantis said Trump’s tariffs were “not effective.” (read more)

More about the donor event is HERE – “Around 50 people joined DeSantis for lunch at Harris Ranch in Coalinga, which was hosted by Harris Farms Chairman John Harris and Richard Spencer, the owner of Fresno-based Harris Construction.”

In addition, while in California, DeSantis also went to another Big Club fundraiser. “Governor of Florida Ron DeSantis’s Silicon Valley Peninsula fundraiser was hosted by John Hamilton, a real estate investor who has donated tens of thousands to RINOs and former presidential hopefuls Mitt Romney and John McCain.” (more)

Ron DeSantis aligning against the core values of America First economics is a HUGE warning flare. We have discussed this issue on these pages and in every platform we can reach for a long time. The DeSantis team is trying desperately to recover from sunlight upon their donor influence, but they cannot refute the words of their candidate in support of those donor priorities.

Keep in mind also that Donald Trump recently announced the sweeping “Economic Agenda 47“, which includes baseline tariffs against all imported goods.

♦UNIVERSAL BASELINE TARIFFS: President Trump has announced a plan to replace the Biden system of punishing domestic producers and rewarding outsourcers with a new system that rewards domestic production while taxing foreign companies.

Rather than raising taxes on American producers, President Trump will impose tariffs on FOREIGN producers through a system of universal baseline tariffs on most imported goods. Higher tariffs will increase incrementally if other countries manipulate their currency or otherwise engage in unfair trading practices. (link)

Candidate Ron DeSantis now stands in opposition to this approach, and the current tariffs against imported Chinese goods which have been exceptionally effective. So effective, even the Biden administration has admitted their value.

As long as Donald J. Trump singularly represents the only counterforce against this UniParty globalist construct, he will continue to be targeted by the system of financial controllers who fund the political system. For the sake of brevity, this alignment of multinational corporate and financial economic interests is called the “Big Club.”

As part of the strategic political effort, the Republican wing of the Big Club needs to carve up the supporters of Donald Trump into smaller, easier to target, pieces. This is where the value of the culture war, what is now considered as ‘wokeism’, plays into the strategy of those who seek to control political outcomes and remove the threat that Trump represents to their financial interests.

In many ways, this is why we are seeing prominent Republican officeholders pushing the culture war as a tool for their own political advancement. The same Big Club members who are directly fighting against the America-First economic agenda, are the same Big Club members who are funding the Republican politicians to push the culture war.

The corporations, billionaires and multinationals who are funding the Republican candidates do not have any vested interest in the culture war. For them the social issues are a tool, technique or insurance policy to guarantee security of the interest that does matter – their financial status.

There are trillions at stake, literally trillions. Additionally, decades of their prior investment interests are contingent upon the ‘service driven economy’ being maintained.

Dollars drive the U.S. global trade and financial exchanges. The multinationals, both corporations and banks, have pre-deployed investments all around the globe. However, many of those investments are entirely contingent upon the retention of the U.S. economic system they pre-established before the investment was made. President Donald J. Trump represents the threat to that entire financial system.

https://theconservativetreehou...fs-on-chinese-goods/

Thank you Chellim1.
I did not know about his stance on globalism and it sheds an entirely different light on DeSantis than what I had previously read.

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Ron DeSantis Privately Tells Corporate Donors He Is Against U.S Tariffs on Chinese Goods

This is the big one.

It is a big one.
That policy alone is probably the biggest restraint on China ...EVER.
Hitting them in their wallet controls everything more effectively than anything anyone has ever done.
Money lets them grow their control and attempt at world dominance.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
DeSantis has just made an admission of his alignment with that corporate “globalist” outlook to a private confab of donors in California.

The DeSantis campaign is in full panic and retreat mode now that his establishment position is exposed. The statements during the secret meeting were leaked.

Thanks for the article. My suspicions of DeSantis become clearer as time marches on. First, flattering pieces by the mainstream media outlets (CNN, MSNBC, WashPost, CBS, etc) . Gushing praise from the Bushes, Paul Ryan, The Lincoln Project, Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney, etc. Numerous reported meetings with Karl Rove, rumored to be one of the brains of the campaign. And now this.

I intend to dance with those what brung me.

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Gushing praise from the Bushes, Paul Ryan, The Lincoln Project, Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney, etc. Numerous reported meetings with Karl Rove, rumored to be one of the brains of the campaign.

These things alone tell me everything I need to know. The Chinese tariff thing is just the capper. Nah, Florida can keep him. I don't think we need that kind of neocon stuff back in the White House.

Strange. I fail to see the logic, because his veto will be overridden. One may argue that DeSantis is trying to make some point, whatever that may be, but I think he will lose political support over this, both from some of the key players in his state, and plain old voters, at least those who are actually paying attention.

This serves to reinforce my belief that DeSantis is somewhat naive, politically speaking, and has things to learn before he should even be considered for the presidency.

Florida HB605

To say I'm disappointed with DeSantis is an understatement. It seems with every passing month, he re-affirms my belief that he is does not live up to his reputation, his hype. This latest move is a dumb one for his state, for the citizens of FL. I don't know what point he is making with his veto. Before this, he already lost support from most of the congressional delegation, and is bound to lose more support in his state.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Thread drift: Most of our current problems can be traced back to LBJ, including welfare dependency and illegal immigration.

He is the single largest factor in the disappearance of the nuclear black family.

I hope that son of a bitch is burning in hell.

President Trump Crushing Ron DeSantis in Latest Florida Poll –

People are starting to realize why the people who control Ron DeSantis could not launch their 2024 election bid from Florida.

Despite Ron DeSantis being a Florida native and current governor, President Trump is leading him 50% to 30% in state-wide polling. Regionally and within the demographics of the poll, things look even worse. [Article Here] Casey will not be happy.



Trump is winning Miami-Dade by 59 points (70% to 11%) and leading by 39 points with Hispanic voters and 26% among Black voters. The Sea Island recruitment of Miami-Dade Mayor Francisco Suarez is not getting the results originally planned by the DeSantis operation.
“Turning to income levels, Trump leads with all except for those respondents making $200,000 or more a year. With that group, DeSantis leads 39% to 25%.” (read more)

Very wealthy, uppity rude people, and those who take pictures of their lunches to share on Instagram, are the core of the DeSantis coalition. They are also the main donors and represented by the annoying and egotistical influencers that DeSantis manager Christina Pushaw recruited.

The non-snob group of patriotic Americans who are not as singularly focused on defining their self-image or lifestyle through the assembly of money, in combination with the working-class coalition that cuts through all racial demographics, continues to be the much larger base of the Trump support.

https://theconservativetreehou...esantis/#more-248683

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This serves to reinforce my belief that DeSantis is somewhat naive, politically speaking, and has things to learn before he should even be considered for the presidency.

This has been my contention from the days past with everyone gushing he would be the savior of the Party and America.

Not enough time in politics, zero federal level experience, he's a great GOV, needs to serve his term out, gain experience and funding.

He's been courted by the RINO and Anti-Trump R contingent with money telling him he can win this, they want Trump gone and will sacrifice DeSantis on the Alter of politics so to speak.

They care about nobody but the status quo.

His deciding to run proves he's not quite there yet, I'd take him as VP under Trump though, as the head of the Senate he'd take names and kick some butt...