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quarter MOA visionary |
The more the media pushes DeSantis over Trump - the more you know they are more afraid of Trump. | |||
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I would have to say the mere rabies like derangement that many on the left get from hearing the words “President Trump.” It’s not even just the number of voters, but the lengths to which the left went through to change the layout of the playing field to hurt Trump in 2020. Couple that with the fact that the Democrats even squandered their majority in the House and Senate that came with Biden’s presidency and spent a tremendous amount of political capital to target Trump after he was out of office. Whether or not all of the Democrat voters Trump brings out are 100% legit isn’t even material. My statement is merely an observation that I have never seen such Democratic effort to pull out all the stops against any one person as I have seen in their derangement towards Donald Trump. I’m by no means a political expert, nor do I ever wish to be one, but I’m just sharing my observations. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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| quarter MOA visionary |
I don't think they had a better turnout. They just mastered ballot harvesting while the Republicans had no clue what it was. | |||
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LT Cheg has summed up much better than I could the distinction between Trump and DeSantis, among Republicans and Democrats. I like Trump. He loves this country, stopped “Her” from being elected, got some solid Supreme Court justices nominated, and shepherded us through economic growth for his four years. His failings, which have become more pressing as time passes, is his ego, his inability to find good people to actually effect change, and lighting rod status for both parties. If he is the nominee, of course he gets my vote. At the moment, he is in an enviable position in that his nomination is basically guaranteed in both polls and media. I’m from Florida, and DeSantis broke the back of one of the 3 biggest Democrat machines in this country (Chicago, NYC, and South Florida). He’s not an idiot, and it shows in how he governs. I think he will be a much more effective president than Trump was, and of course that is because Trump paved the way in 2016. I think the key to the election is not the 20-30% of Republicans who are hardcore, but the other 70%. Lt Cheg summarized that fairly well in his outreach, Trump has turned off a lot of voters. As for the media, the media was pushing Trump in early 2015 before they realized what a threat he is. Maybe they think DeSantis is “less electable” or less of a threat, but I could care less what they think. They were wrong in 2016, in 2020, and will be wrong in 2024. Edit: one more thing, Trump drove a massive turnout to the polls in November 2020, but that was before January 6th, the stop the steal effort, and the everything since then. The Boss pointed out in the first post of this thread that Jan 6th bullshit has, sadly, damaged Trump with some of his voters. | |||
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Objectively Reasonable |
Thanks for that. It summarizes my own view more articulately than I could. I am all-in for the Republican nominee in the general election. There is no other option. I will vote, donate, volunteer, "evangelize," do whatever I can to move it down the field. Whether it's DJT, DeSantis, or some yet-to-emerge character, I'm there. In the primary, "Who's most electable?" is a real consideration. | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
Not sure it's all fear, more likely it's pure hate | |||
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| Partial dichotomy |
https://townhall.com//tipsheet...34408&recip=26773771 Turn of Events: Trump Reportedly Mulling DeSantis As 2024 Running Mate Former President Trump's continued attacks on Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla) may either be all smoke and mirrors, or he is realizing that the governor may be a better candidate in the 2024 presidential election. According to an anonymous source, Trump is reportedly "listening" to insiders claiming the two would make a golden ballot ticket. "Some of his supporters are suggesting he make a deal with DeSantis to make him VP, and he's listening but hasn't agreed," the source told Page Six. The "Trumpworld" source alleges that DeSantis could boost the former president's popularity among young Republicans, creating a dream team that President Joe Biden fails to have. "Supporters say the VP offer [would] stop DeSantis from opposing [Trump] and offer a 'youthful conservative vigor' to the slot, which Biden doesn't have," the source said, adding that DeSantis would also bring in a lot of money to the campaign. cont... SIGforum: For all your needs! Imagine our influence if every gun owner in America was an NRA member! Click the box>>>  | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
It would be a smart move for Trump. If DeSantis were to gain traction on his own, he wouldn't take it. But... if Trump looked to be unbeatable in a primary, DeSantis just might take the offer. Then again, if Trump looked to be unbeatable in a primary, DeSantis just might stay in Florida as Governor. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| quarter MOA visionary |
Same thing here. | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Unanswerable question: Exactly how much does De Santis trust Trump's judgement and leadership? FWIW, I'm assuming that if De Santis was Trump's VP candidate that Trump would trust De Santis to assemble the team (or much of it) around Trump since De Santis supporters seem to think picking team players out of the swamp hasn't been Trump's strong suit historically. De Santis would have to trust Trump's judgement, leadership AND team before it would make sense for him to leave Florida in order to gamble on where a second Trump administration would put De Santis in '28. | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
One thing is for sure, Trump was not lying when he stated that he played a huge role in getting DeSantis elected as Governor in 2018. Months before the primary, he was trailing badly the more well known veteran GOP candidate Adam Putnam in money and polls, until DeSantis convinced Trump to come out for him and get his endorsement. In no time, more money poured in and DeSantis pulled ahead, eventually beating Putnam by a large percentage. In 2018, a Trump MAGA endorsement was gold. “I think you are going to get tired of me calling you, asking you for things for Florida,” DeSantis said after the primary. DeSantis eventually narrowly beat Democrat Gillum by less than 1%, again with Trump helping DeSantis, holding a couple of huge rallies days before the election, helping to get a large turnout for a midterm election cycle. I don't think it is an exaggeration to say that DeSantis owes his current career to Trump. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (FLV) – The Florida Senate approved an election overhaul bill Wednesday 28-12, which included a clarification to the “resign-to-run” law. The change would exempt officeholders seeking the position of U.S. president or vice president from the state’s “resign-to-run” law. (read more) https://flvoicenews.com/senate...esign-to-run-change/ "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Smarter than the average bear |
I think and hope that DeSantis is smart enough not to be associated with Trump at this point, so I seriously doubt that he would accept the VP slot. And there will be elections after this one. I heard someone comment the other day that both parties seem to be bent on nominating the only candidate that can’t win the general election, as in that almost any Republican other than Trump would beat Biden, and Biden is maybe the only Democrat that could lose to Trump. I strongly agree that Trump is extremely unlikely to win the general election. But I do think the Dems have a host of nut jobs that could have a hard time in the general election. | |||
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| Get Off My Lawn |
And I strongly disagree with you. WHO says that Trump is unelectable? Like it or not (and I suspect you do not), Trump is the de facto leader of the Republican Party, nobody else. It ain't DeSantis, Bush, Romney, etc. When Kevin McCarthy was having a difficult time getting confirmed as SOTH, the Republicans called in Trump to mediate and negotiate, not DeSantis. Not George Bush. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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I think honestlou has made it clear that he is referring to the general election. Most rational persons will acknowledge that Trump is the leader of the Republican party, but the challenge isn’t winning that nomination; it’s winning the general election. Trump CAN win the general election, but it is a tough road. | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
You know, maybe the solution for Trump is as simple as it was for Bush 43 - take the time and care to put a team of good, capable non-swampers together around Trump. He's gonna need 'em anyway, given that he has only four years to work with and the swamp to contend with. At the same time, though, this builds in a response to anyone who has no faith in Uncah Ho but just doesn't like Trump: Compare the teams, and vote for the team in which you have the most faith. It might also make sense if we get down to some kind of wire and De Santis seems to be far and away the best Veep candidate. A solid team around Trump could do a lot more to make four years under Trump look like a running start on eight years of a De Santis presidency to De Santis. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
I think it's hilarious that some people think this country will re-elect Joe Biden. There's what people say publicly, and what they say and do in private, and voting is private, and people who work for a living or who are depending upon their retirement savings know that this country is in a world of shit under President Grandpa. We have millions of Americans who wouldn't be able to put their hands on a thousand dollars cash in an emergency, and every time they go to the grocery store, the prices are higher, and that is no exaggeration. If it comes down to Donald Trump and Joe Biden- with that absolute idiot Harris in tow- Donald Trump will win. People keep saying "Something will happen between now and then and Biden won't be allowed to run." Really? What? Who thought he would last even this long? He's the President of the United States. Who is going to pull him out of the race? More to the point- who is going to pull him out of the race without looking like they're pulling him out of the race? He's a delusional old man who thinks he's doing just fine. Barring an issue with his health in the next 17 months, he's going to be in the election, and God help the Dems if Biden is nominated and then he withdraws. If DeSantis can't get the nomination, who will be the nominee? To me- right now- it looks like Donald Trump will be POTUS once again. Are the Dems going to pull a miracle out of their ass? Who? Michelle Obama? Hillary Clinton? RFK Jr, who lately has sounded more like a Republican than a Democrat? Those of you saying Donald Trump is "unelectable"- 2016 called for you... ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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| Get Off My Lawn |
Trump is the clear winner in the general election, slam dunk, IF all things are equal. 2020 showed it wasn't. It is up to Trump to overcome the corruption in 2020 to win 2024. IMO, that is key. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Alienator |
Running as Trump's VP would all but guarantee the 2028 presidential election. They would be unstoppable. SIG556 Classic P220 Carry SAS Gen 2 SAO SP2022 9mm German Triple Serial P938 SAS P365 FDE Psalm 118:24 "This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it" | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
An "exploratory committee"?? At this point, I doubt that DeSantis is even running. The way the man has handled all of this is clumsy and it surprises me. It tells me he has quite of bit of growing to do as a politician, and that he is not ready for the presidency. To me, with the announcement of this exploratory committee, it appears DeSantis is looking for a way out. | |||
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