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Originally posted by kidcop:
Stop pulling amorphous suppositions out of yours. If you don't have quantitative data, you don't have dick.

No matter how many links we provide with the pertinent information, you're still going to keep your head firmly buried in your ass because you have already decided that everyone should wear a mask to protect YOU no matter what health or mental conditions a person has. Just remember that you allowed yourself to be duped into believing it's about others safety. Same nonsense was peddled back in the 1930's and it ended up costing the lives of a few million Jews. The media, the government, and big pharma got you hook, line, and sinker!

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Originally posted by mutedblade:

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Originally posted by kidcop:
Stop pulling amorphous suppositions out of yours. If you don't have quantitative data, you don't have dick.

No matter how many links we provide with the pertinent information, you're still going to keep your head firmly buried in your ass because you have already decided that everyone should wear a mask to protect YOU no matter what health or mental conditions a person has. Just remember that you allowed yourself to be duped into believing it's about others safety. Same nonsense was peddled back in the 1930's and it ended up costing the lives of a few million Jews. The media, the government, and big pharma got you hook, line, and sinker!

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Originally posted by kidcop:

What facts have you presented? What mental conditions prevent someone from wearing a mask?

Thanks for the offer, but having been vaccinated I feel quite safe.

Mutedblade answered your question quite well. So there's no need for me to post the same or further information, which you will just brush off as being UNIMPORTANT to your feelings.

Since your vaccinated, why should you care if others are wearing a mask?
Afterall, don't you believe in the vaccine?

Make sure you harass the next person with a service dog.

You can lead the horse to water, but you can't make him drink..... comes to mind.
Sort of like, you can try to reason with someone, but when their closed minded, games over!

BTW, make sure you're wearing your TWO masks! lol

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Originally posted by Excam_Man:Sort of like, you can try to reason with someone, but when their closed minded, games over!

As antivaxxers constantly prove.

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Originally posted by kidcop:

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Originally posted by Excam_Man:

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Originally posted by kidcop:

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Originally posted by Excam_Man:There are medical and mental reasons for people not to be ble to wear a face diaper.

I'm thinking it's a lot more "mental" than "medical." Your reference to "a face diaper" is prima facie evidence thereof.

Oh, did I strike a nerve?
Did the facts get your panties all in a bunch?

One could say the fear required to make one wear a mask could be a mental condition.

Maybe we could all chip in and get you a bubble, so you can feel safe going out into the big world.

What facts have you presented? What mental conditions prevent someone from wearing a mask?

Thanks for the offer, but having been vaccinated I feel quite safe.

Anxiety and anxiety attacks. Debilitating and very real.

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Originally posted by kidcop:

As antivaxxers constantly prove.

Anti-vaccine? If you're referring to those of us who don't see good reason to get this particular shot, try again. It's clear you're either deliberately being obtuse or you actually don't have the mental acumen to understand an opposing point of view.

I can understand an opposing point of view, even when it's wrong.

Deliberately obtuse it is then. And that's giving you more credit than you deserve.

Yep, antivaxxers!!! That's what is driving all of our madness... I've had plenty of vaccines and trust those that have actually been APPROVED for use with a history of known side affects. The bullshit they have been peddling lately was hastily thrown together by a group of individuals that still has no clue what they're actually fighting. Who is gonna be held responsible when it comes out that the Wu Flu vaccine causes something even more horrible than Covid down the road?

We get it. Your overlords at Facebook and CNN have told you that everyone is gonna die without the vaccine and you lapped it up like mothers milk. Those of us that haven't taken the vaccine and refuse to wear a mask should be left alone to die our miserable COVID deaths. It's too easy for you to just ignore the rest of us because we pose no threat to you and those others that have been vaccinated and wear your masks like good little muzzled mutts.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mutedblade:
Yep, antivaxxers!!! /QUOTE]

Nailed it. Maybe if you come down with COVID you can get some leeches from your barber. That'll fix ya right up.

Guys, stop feeding the troll. Seriously.

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Originally posted by kidcop:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mutedblade:
Yep, antivaxxers!!! /QUOTE]

Nailed it. Maybe if you come down with COVID you can get some leeches from your barber. That'll fix ya right up.

Workin' it.like a boss, but keeep your rod tip up.

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Originally posted by kidcop:

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Originally posted by Excam_Man:There are medical and mental reasons for people not to be ble to wear a face diaper.

I'm thinking it's a lot more "mental" than "medical." Your reference to "a face diaper" is prima facie evidence thereof.

I may be way off with my post here because I've not been following this thread that closely and I have only just scanned the last few pages, so forgive me if I'm interpreting your point of view incorrectly but...

My son has mental illness. He didn't before Covid. He was an okay student that had everything going for him. Then they sent him home from school, forced a fucking mask on him everywhere including at his job all day (work co-op program for high school). He had about zero chance of getting seriously ill from Covid. But now he's on fucking Zoloft, he's likely gonna flunk out of high school now in his senior year, he went nuts and drove his car 115 MPH on the Mass Pike, lost his license and is basically totally fucked. Because of fucktard assholes mandating he don't go school and cover his face. I'm fucking done with Covid and all this bullshit. So yeah, he didn't have a "legitimate" reason to not wear a mask. Well now he has a lot more problems. I'm about to lose it over this shit. (For context I'm divorced and he lives with Mom, so I don't have a lot of input on how to make things better).

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Originally posted by kidcop:
I can understand an opposing point of view, even when it's wrong.

You are confusing understanding with acceptance.

If you have an attitude where your automatic response is "it's wrong"then you neither accept or understand.

If you say that you will take into consideration others opinions and truly ponder upon them, then you understand although not accept.

That is OK. But to say "you are wrong" is basically just another way to say "fuck you dumb ass."

That will cause folks to shut down and not consider options

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Originally posted by kidcop:

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Originally posted by Excam_Man:Sort of like, you can try to reason with someone, but when their closed minded, games over!

As antivaxxers constantly prove.

I hope one day you make it out of your momma's basement.

When maybe someday you come around to opening your mind, it's going to be an enlightening experience.

I haven’t been following this thread closely, but from scanning the past few pages it is clear the pro experimental vaccine crowd struggles to engage in constructive debate.

I have a three page shot record. I am not an anti-vaxxer. What is gained in the conversation by intentionally mislabeling someone? It seems an attempt to bully, not convince with logic. Name-calling is a sure sign your position cannot withstand intellectual scrutiny. Facts stand on their own. They do not need you to defend them with insults.

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Originally posted by arabiancowboy:
I haven’t been following this thread closely, but from scanning the past few pages it is clear the pro experimental vaccine crowd struggles to engage in constructive debate.

I have a three page shot record. I am not an anti-vaxxer. What is gained in the conversation by intentionally mislabeling someone? It seems an attempt to bully, not convince with logic. Name-calling is a sure sign your position cannot withstand intellectual scrutiny. Facts stand on their own. They do not need you to defend them with insults.

Parse the phrase anti-vaxxer. If you are against the vaccine, you are by default an anti-vaxxer. No name calling involved. It is what it is.

The facts do indeed stand on their own. Look at the high efficacy rates and low adverse effect rate from the three vaccines.

ALL vaccines were at some point "experimental." These have been through clinical trials and proven safe enough to be given approval for emergency use.

I remember seeing/reading articles that indicate that the virus can easily penetrate those paper and/or cloth masks. I also remember from years ago that getting vaccinated against the flu would protect you. My company, being concerned about our health (major US corporation) provided us with free flu shots. About 1/3 of us promptly came down with the flu, and a bad case of it.

I will wear a mask when the property owner requires it. Other than that, no. And only then will I do it to prevent confrontations.

Question:

How long have these "protective" measures been in use and development? Not very long. Some data I have seen indicate only a few months.

What about long term effects? As in next year?

Has society become so "instant gratification" oriented that they are willing to expose millions of people to something that may kill them?

I doubt that I can be convinced that a test period of a few months can/will prove the long term effects.

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Originally posted by arabiancowboy:
I haven’t been following this thread closely, but from scanning the past few pages it is clear the pro experimental vaccine crowd struggles to engage in constructive debate.

I'd say it's not a struggle so much as a lack of motivation. I got vaccinated and really don't care if you do or not. My reasons for doing so have nothing to do with being a boot-licking communist who worships Fauci. My risk-benefit decision may be entirely different than yours and I have no reason to convince you otherwise.