I am actually no longer even accepting of other people en masse wearing these filthy face coverings everywhere in public. In other words, I don't subscribe to this you do you, and I'll do me notion, not in this. I'm done with all of it. Everyone walking around in masks is weird. It is creepy. It is not normal. And it is not healthy for a society to continue living in this manner. STOP IT. People walking around outside, alone, and double masked should be ridiculed openly. We are doing great harm to ourselves the longer we normalize this capricious insanity.

If you are that person wearing a mask outside, I have nothing in common with you. I don't understand you. Take for example this person who I snapped a pic of last week at the Atlanta airport. Double masked with what almost looks like a fully encapsulated clear, plastic face shield.



This shit is CREEPY, and I can't comprehend it. I guarantee that this person has gotten the vaccine as well. This person is not well, and I don't mean from the wuflu.

The masks are not helping. They are harming us as a nation. STOP WEARING THE MASKS NOW.

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Originally posted by bogeyman:
Oh, please. Surely you know (or at least you should) that cloth masks are recommended for the general population in community settings, not hospital settings. No credible study has recommended cloth masks for medical personnel.

So, what you're saying is that, when it really counts, cloth masks provide inadequate protection, correct? Seriously, if it really matters, if it saves one life...

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So, what you're saying is that, when it really counts, cloth masks provide inadequate protection, correct? Seriously, if it really matters, if it saves one life...

I’m saying that the general population in social settings does not need the protection that health care workers in virus-rich environments do.

To extend my earlier analogy about cars..a five point harness and a roll cage would afford better protection than a three point seatbelt, but since I drive to the grocery and not in NASCAR events, I don’t need that level of protection.

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I’m saying that the general population in social settings does not need the protection that health care workers in virus-rich environments do.

How do you know your social events aren't virus-rich? They either work or they don't. Or are you saying that the virus is even smarter than we thought? It knows what we do for a living too?

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scientific consensus that cloth masks reduce, but do not eliminate,

Ah, so you're not saying that they work. You're saying that they help.

Walking backwards helps. Breathing half as much helps. Not speaking helps. Why aren't scientist suggesting any of these other helpful things?

Next time you're at Walmart do us all a favor. Walk backwards while breathing half as much, and don't say a word. Not for your protection, but for ours.

I tried that argument at the grocery store in September last year. It didn’t fly. I still had to leave.

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Originally posted by bogeyman:

To extend my earlier analogy about cars..a five point harness and a roll cage would afford better protection than a three point seatbelt, but since I drive to the grocery and not in NASCAR events, I don’t need that level of protection.

^^^ He's not protecting himself, he's protecting us. Real hero!

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I am actually no longer even accepting of other people en masse wearing these filthy face coverings everywhere in public. In other words, I don't subscribe to this you do you, and I'll do me notion, not in this. I'm done with all of it. Everyone walking around in masks is weird. It is creepy. It is not normal. And it is not healthy for a society to continue living in this manner. STOP IT. People walking around outside, alone, and double masked should be ridiculed openly. We are doing great harm to ourselves the longer we normalize this capricious insanity.

If you are that person wearing a mask outside, I have nothing in common with you. I don't understand you. Take for example this person who I snapped a pic of last week at the Atlanta airport. Double masked with what almost looks like a fully encapsulated clear, plastic face shield.



This shit is CREEPY, and I can't comprehend it. I guarantee that this person has gotten the vaccine as well. This person is not well, and I don't mean from the wuflu.

The masks are not helping. They are harming us as a nation. STOP WEARING THE MASKS NOW.

Yeah, but you can't change what other people do any more than we can what happened in November, so why let it impact your life? Why give them the power to piss you off? Someone said something to me yesterday and I just laughed and told them to have a nice day and kept walking. We need you around, so don't stroke out over it

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How do you know your social events aren't virus-rich? They either work or they don't. Or are you saying that the virus is even smarter than we thought? It knows what we do for a living too?

So, do you think that the virus level at Kroger or Wal mart is the same as the level in a Covid ward in a hospital?

Good grief. The amount of non sequiturs that you use to justify your position on not wearing masks is comical. I’d have a lot mor respect for your position if you just said “I don’t care what the scientific consensus is, I’m not going to wear a mask and you can’t make me”. At least that would be an honest answer.

I don’t care what the scientific consensus is, I’m not going to wear a mask and you can’t make me.

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So, do you think that the virus level at Kroger or Wal mart is the same as the level in a Covid ward in a hospital?

Why are you asking me what I think? What does science say? What is the virus level at Kroger or Walmart?

Maybe you're on to something. Perhaps masks make sense in the Covid ward at a hospital, and not at Walmart.

Para - I have no problem with that statement. Thanks for the honesty.

Awhile back Governor Walz here in MN. who loves to hear himself talk said during one of his press briefings that they know the virus spreads the most between 9pm and 1am in the bar and restaurant establishments. He never presented any data at how they arrived at this most interesting conclusion he just said it so it must be true. Therefore he used that to squeeze these businesses even further. So now the virus knows what time it is and exactly what type of business it is in.

The wife and I just looked at each other and started laughing. But sadly I'm sure many gazed at their tv never batting a eye.

Those who are eagerly complying with all these unfounded restrictions because you think you are helping get things back to normal and want to do you're part in getting there fine, carry on. But you will be surprised to find out we will be having these same arguments a year from now, two years and probably ten years from now.

There are no amount of masks you can wear, no amount of injections you can receive, no amount of social distancing you can do to make this go away. This grab at control and power is not going anywhere.

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Why are you asking me what I think? What does science say? What is the virus level at Kroger or Walmart?

Maybe you're on to something. Perhaps masks make sense in the Covid ward at a hospital, and not at Walmart.

I could quote you the scientific studies, but it’s obvious that you don’t care what they say.

“There are no amount of masks you can wear, no amount of injections you can receive, no amount of social distancing you can do to make this go away. This grab at control and power is not going anywhere.“

If you want to see a real world example of masks and vaccinations working, just look at today’s Wall Street Journal and the article on Covid 19 in Gibraltar. It has a population of 34,000 and 85% of adults, and 98% of adults over 60, have been vaccinated. They have had no Covid 19 cases since April 8. By contrast, only 37% of the US was fully vaccinated as of Tuesday. Masks and vaccinations work if you will let them. But I’m afraid that, given the disdain of masks by so many Americans, plus their hesitance to get vaccinated, we will have many more needless deaths.

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Originally posted by bogeyman:
“There are no amount of masks you can wear, no amount of injections you can receive, no amount of social distancing you can do to make this go away. This grab at control and power is not going anywhere.“

If you want to see a real world example of masks and vaccinations working, just look at today’s Wall Street Journal and the article on Covid 19 in Gibraltar. It has a population of 34,000 and 85% of adults, and 98% of adults over 60, have been vaccinated. They have had no Covid 19 cases since April 8. By contrast, only 37% of the US was fully vaccinated as of Tuesday. Masks and vaccinations work if you will let them. But I’m afraid that, given the disdain of masks by so many Americans, plus their hesitance to get vaccinated, we will have many more needless deaths.

Gibraltar? Real World? Really?

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Originally posted by bogeyman:
Para - I have no problem with that statement. Thanks for the honesty.

To be clear, I consider the "scientific consensus" to be politically-driven poison and which has almost nothing to do with scientific objectivity and the truth.

people seem to throw that word, consensus, around a lot these days

oooh, oooh, i know - lets do social distancing, now

Perhaps they just have accurate testing and no monetary/political motivations behind “xxxxx number of COVID cases” per day. Perhaps they also didn’t classify gunshot wounds and car accidents as “COVID related”. Or perhaps instead the virus, like all viruses, ran it’s course without big government meddling.

Until there is no political and financial motivation in dealing with a virus that 99.9 percent of all people survive, you are simply tilting a windmills, at best in claiming anything as fact.

You don’t seem to understand that people no longer care or believe these claims. There were people in the medical field on this very forum telling us that it was dire that this virus was going to kill us all. It’s bad. Blah, blah, blah. If we didn’t stay home, and didn’t wear a mask we were all going to die. If we didn’t give up our Constitutional Rights, we were going to kill grandpa. None of which materialized, despite the media, political, and medical/financial efforts that were put into place to stir fear.

None.

I won’t wear a mask. I will go to church and shake hands with people. I will live on my feet, not on my knees.

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Originally posted by bogeyman:
Masks and vaccinations work if you will let them. But I’m afraid that, given the disdain of masks by so many Americans, plus their hesitance to get vaccinated, we will have many more needless deaths.

You just disproved your own point. We have been using masks for over a year now, and yet we are told there are still all these positive cases every day. It doesn't seem like it's working all that well. How many years of usage does it take for the masks to finally start working? Two years? Three? Initially we were told by "the experts" to wear no mask, then one, now two. Should we wear three? Places with the most restrictive lockdowns and longest mask mandates have some of the highest cases. How can this be? Why it's almost like wearing a non-medical grade mask does nothing!!! Gee, who could have foreseen that. Maybe you should just stop badgering people here with all your mask nonsense and cherry picked data.

If we're going to start forcing people to do things to avoid "needless deaths" where does it end? Is the gov't going to start forcing fat people to lose weight? Obesity seems to be a big factor in Covid deaths, and even in non-Covid deaths due to strokes, heart attacks, diabetes. I can only assume you're in favor of forced diets and exercise in order to reduce those needless deaths.