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Originally posted by zipriderson:...
Arguing whether or not this qualifies as a race may just be semantics.

But is gives the anti-semantics purpose.

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Originally posted by Veeper:

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Nonsense. Nonsense. Nonsense.

Jewish is a religion. Some Jews are Europeans, some are Middle Easterners, some are Africans, etc. There isn't a Jewish gene. A Polish Jew's genes look just like a Polish Catholic's.

And most every group views the "other" as lesser beings. Ever examine Japanese attitudes about Westerners? Aren't we Americans pretty convinced we are the best?

My full-blooded Great Lakes Potawatomi uncle will be thrilled to hear that his heritage is based on religion and not blood. I'll let him know that you said so.

Do you not see the difference?

He is an American Indian, which is a group with genetic distinctiveness. The various tribes also have a set of religious beliefs. Each group's religious beliefs are not widely shared, and so remain pretty tightly tied to the group of people who also share those genetic traits. It sounds tautological, but almost all people who believe as Sioux Indians do are also Sioux Indians.

Jews are a much larger group now. Perhaps 3000 years ago they were more genetically homogeneous and were like American Indians in that the genetic group was mostly congruent with the religious group. Think of a Venn diagram where the two circles mostly overlap. But now there are Jews from many more genetic backgrounds. As I said some Jews are Europeans, some are Africans, some are Middle Easterners, etc.

There is nothing about your genes that makes a believer of a certain religion. As I said, some religions are tightly tied to a certain population group, and others are not.

Your uncle is a Potawatami by genes and culture and religion.

A Jew from Africa may share very few genes with one from Austria. (Although, of course, all humans share more genes than differentiates them.)

I agree that Jewishness is more than religion. There is a shared culture, etc. But now, in 2018, Jews are no longer from a homogeneous genetic group.

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Example: Philadelphia Eagles fans hate Dallas Cowboy fans. Cool

Bad example...I mean that's just common sense.


You are of course correct though. These things are learned behavior. Some of us actually get bitten by a dog and then decide we don't like dogs. Some of us hear our whole lives that dogs will bite us if given half a chance so we don't like dogs and repeat that "wisdom" to everyone. And still some of us decide to judge dogs on an individual basis.

And that's just dogs. Now imagine if dogs were people and could speak with us and influence us with their beliefs and practices.

How often do we see some news story reported here where someone gets tuned up and we automatically say "He had it coming"? Well like Big Bill the Bard said, and I paraphrase, "we all gots it commin'"

"Jewish is a religion" = wrong.
Judaism is a religion.

Interesting subject no doubt.

I would imagine that the issue of race and religion further complicates when one considers the implication of religious conversion and intermarriage. In our faith for an example, an individual that elects to and is motivated to convert to judaism is considered absolutely and without compromise a Jew, perhaps even more so if such a concept is possible.

I would imagine that contemplating challenging issues such as these make the faculties of the Judiciary, Ethics and Philosophy absolutely fascinating.

I guess at the end of the day i am left with this thought. I hope and pray that no one's children are ever hated, slaughtered, tortured, prejudiced against or alienated by virtue of birth, race, religion, philosophy or creed as so many millions of ours have.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
But you can bet the Jews will not go quietly to their destruction, and will resist any attempts.

I'm afraid I don't have the honour of being Jewish.* I admire what they and their ancestors have accomplished. The world would be a far poorer place were it not for the Jews.

Israel will have my support from this day to the last.

* Please forgive the paraphrasing of Chaplin.

Monkey Law. “See the stranger, fear the stranger, kill the stranger.”

During the Medieval period Jews were about the only ones that could loan money at interest. They also had a network that could move money. Want to erase your debt? Riot and drive the Jews out.

Jews also also tended to gather in Ghettos. These weren’t slums, but rather places where Jewish Law predominated as well as Jewish customs. However, the isolation and lack of contact proved fertile ground for rumors and a lack of understanding. A very poor comparison might be made to the Islamic “no go” areas in Europe. Many Europeans are afraid of them and are willing to belief many this, even without facts.

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Originally posted by Icabod:
A very poor comparison might be made to the Islamic “no go” areas in Europe. Many Europeans are afraid of them and are willing to belief many this, even without facts.

Hmmm...

No facts to support their fears? Interesting.

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Originally posted by 12131:
"Jewish is a religion" = wrong.
Judaism is a religion.

I think "Jewish" is an ethnicity. Jews share a common core culture and practices, and may also share a religion (Judaism) and language (Hebrew), at least as a second language.

flashguy

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Originally posted by Fenris:

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Originally posted by Icabod:
A very poor comparison might be made to the Islamic “no go” areas in Europe. Many Europeans are afraid of them and are willing to belief many this, even without facts.

Hmmm...

No facts to support their fears? Interesting.

I think their fears are well reasoned.

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:

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Originally posted by 12131:
"Jewish is a religion" = wrong.
Judaism is a religion.

I think "Jewish" is an ethnicity. Jews share a common core culture and practices, and may also share a religion (Judaism) and language (Hebrew), at least as a second language.flashguy

Nope. I'm a Jew. My ethnicity is Ukrainian on both sides of my family.

My religion is Judaism. None of my ancestors (going back 5 generations) spoke Hebrew. They spoke Yiddish and the language of the country where they lived at the time, be it the USA or the Ukraine.

Hebrew was only spoken in the synagog and it was all prayer. Most was memorized. Hebrew as a spoken/written language outside of Temple is a fairly recent thing.

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Originally posted by flashguy:

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Originally posted by Fenris:

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Originally posted by Icabod:
A very poor comparison might be made to the Islamic “no go” areas in Europe. Many Europeans are afraid of them and are willing to belief many this, even without facts.

Hmmm...

No facts to support their fears? Interesting.

I think their fears are well reasoned.

flashguy

Ya think?

my 2 cents the jews make money and the have nots can't stand it i have big respect for the asian immigrants thay want to be americans

The Europeans are far too civilized to openly engage in antisemitic intimidation and violence. Thus, they import millions of known antisemites to act as their proxies.

They claim to be surprised by the predictable result. But it buggers the mind to believe that it is anything but deliberate.

And their solution? Import millions more.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
I'm fully embracing my Jewish heritage. I took to wearing a yarmulke at Mass.

If it's good enough for the Pope . . .

I'm off topic, but who here uses IMI ammo?

I see it advertised all over the place, and I've never tried it...so I just ordered a small sample from SGAmmo. It is, I'm told, real good stuff, and quite reasonably priced.

I don't understand it either.

I am however getting a severe dislike for islam these days.

They could win me over in a heartbeat if they'd stop killing non believers and leave us the fuck alone and live peacefully.

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Originally posted by spexet:
I'm off topic, but who here uses IMI ammo?

I see it advertised all over the place, and I've never tried it...so I just ordered a small sample from SGAmmo. It is, I'm told, real good stuff, and quite reasonably priced.

I use it in 5.56 and 7.62. And I like its performance.

Widener's has the rifle ammo on sale now and then and the prices were very good.

Tried 9mm and found it hotter than I liked. (battering the pistol). The 9mm IMI is intended for the machine guns.

As far as IMI, consider how many times the IDF can afford to have crappy ammo.

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Originally posted by Snapping Twig:
I don't understand it either.

I am however getting a severe dislike for islam these days.

They could win me over in a heartbeat if they'd stop killing non believers and leave us the fuck alone and live peacefully.

Man, I'm right there with you. I've never worried about a Chaim Goldstein sawing my head off in front of his buddies Ephraim and Jacov Hirsch, while they work a camera to catch the carnage. Yeah, nobody with a brain worries about that. Mohammad Hussien Mohammed and his buddies Mohammad Mohammad and Hussein Mohammad Hussein love to party like it's 1199, and they're hoping you're got enough hair on your head to grab onto, probably for more reason than one.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

Not "chosen" as in "favorite".

Teyve seems to agree . . .