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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...evolution_of_1918–19

Read through the list of leaders.

Are you freaking kidding me?

100+ Paragraphs which only mentions Jews twice in a single sentence talking about two socialist parties blaming the Jews for the fall of the Weimar Republic and eventual victory by Hitler's Party. Try again bud.

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The Weimar Republic was always under great pressure from both left-wing and right-wing extremists. The left-wing extremists accused the ruling Social Democrats of having betrayed the ideals of the workers' movement by preventing a communist revolution and unleashing the Freikorps upon the workers. Right-wing extremists were opposed to any democratic system, preferring instead an authoritarian state similar to the Empire founded in 1871. To further undermine the Republic's credibility, right-wing extremists (especially certain members of the former officer corps) used the Dolchstoßlegende to blame an alleged conspiracy of Socialists and Jews for Germany's defeat in World War I, largely drawing fuel from the fact that eight out of the ten leaders of the communist revolution were Jewish. Both sides were determined to bring down the Weimar Republic. In the end, the right-wing extremists were successful, and the Weimar Republic came to an end with the ascent of Hitler and the National Socialist Party.

Like I typed, note the number of foreign Jewish individuals leading the rebellion. The opposition to the idea that Jews did bad things in the past is almost comical. Every group of people did something awful at one point or another. You don't have to be perfect.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
Like I typed, note the number of foreign Jewish individuals leading the rebellion. The opposition to the idea that Jews did bad things in the past is almost comical. Every group of people did something awful at one point or another. You don't have to be perfect.

Could you please elaborate on these "bad things" the link you posted and I wasted 20 minutes reading didn't mention any of these bad things.

Not to mention your proof of Israel's assistance to ISIS was not actually about ISIS. One behind paywall so no clue what it said. Next was about humanitarian aid to injured people. The last was about trying to sow discord in an enemy state to try and insulate it from a more powerful unified Syria.

Well, that was a quick way to smoke out some special idiots.

Voshterkoff, my family (Gentiles, by the way, lest you think I'm part of the some ZOG conspiracy network) saw first-hand the NSDAP rise to prominence and bluntly, it had not the first fucking thing to do with any actual Jewish misdeeds.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
Like I typed, note the number of foreign Jewish individuals leading the rebellion. The opposition to the idea that Jews did bad things in the past is almost comical. Every group of people did something awful at one point or another. You don't have to be perfect.

Sure, no one culture is perfect. Not sure why you'd take the step to seemingly condemn all Jews because of the history you point to. Are you honestly shocked that conservatives could love Jews?

Do I reason correctly that you do not like Jews, because you are a conservative, and feel so strongly about their participation in the Russian revolution 100 years ago?

It's such a silly proposition, and I'm having a hard time understanding what your point is.

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Originally posted by Haveme1or2:
In thinking the obvious here .....
Sig forum may not have the answer to this one......

I have the answer. Try to find a good BLT in Israel! Bastards!

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I have the answer. Try to find a good BLT in Israel! Bastards!

Hah...you might be pleasantly surprised. Here in the US I have had some awfully good beef bacon. I understand that bacon is available over there, even using pork. If I ever travel to that part of the world, I will certainly put my foodie hat on and sample the cuisine, because the descriptions I've heard are really good.

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Originally posted by spexet:
If I ever travel to that part of the world, I will certainly put my foodie hat on and sample the cuisine, because the descriptions I've heard are really good.

Oh, the food there is wonderful! Takes a little getting used to, but once you do...wow.

It's just a little shy on non-kosher stuff.

I don't hate the Jews. But I do find it disturbing that in this country so many of them are Democrats.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
I had to read this a few times. Are you saying it is Jewish people who are providing aid to ISIS? Care to elaborate?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/i...an-rebels-1497813430
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bc_1448229854
https://www.globalresearch.ca/...h-al-nusra-2/5574230

Quoted so the links can't be removed by edit. Bunch of horseshit to be found on two.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
Like I typed, note the number of foreign Jewish individuals leading the rebellion. The opposition to the idea that Jews did bad things in the past is almost comical. Every group of people did something awful at one point or another. You don't have to be perfect.

Could you please elaborate on these "bad things" the link you posted and I wasted 20 minutes reading didn't mention any of these bad things.

Not to mention your proof of Israel's assistance to ISIS was not actually about ISIS. One behind paywall so no clue what it said. Next was about humanitarian aid to injured people. The last was about trying to sow discord in an enemy state to try and insulate it from a more powerful unified Syria.

Link one, paywall. Also not going there.

Link two, I agree with Jesse. If one reads the accompanying text and does a search on the parties involved, the situation was much more complex than "The Jews are assisting ISIS". Link after the video leads to nowhere.

Link three. This is where I bite my tongue. Voshterkoff, do you apply critical thinking and dig deeper after reading an article and citing it as evidence? If you did, you would've scrolled down and noticed a disclaimer that mentions "The Centre for Research on Globalization". And if you did a search on it, maybe you would've found that its chock full of conspiracy. Its founder (and current "head") promotes such ideas as 9/11 was a false flag operation.

Do you believe in the horseshit posted in a couple of those sites, without actually digging deeper, or just believe it?

The Jews were the people God raised up to himself. The ones to whom God revealed himself. The ones to whom he made promises, and the ones with whom he made covenants. It was the Jews who received the law. It was the people to whom God sent the prophets, or who were selected as prophets. It was the Jews that produced the Christ. It was the Jews that were to spread the knowledge of the Father and his son Christ to the rest of the earth. And it was the Jews that rejected their Messiah.

Throughout the biblical history of the Jewish people, they were described as a disobediant and stiff-necked people. Just like the rest of the man-kind is.

God has hardended the hearts of the Jewish people. The Jewish people in large part are under God's wrath.

Jesus himself said, “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!" Matthew 23:37-38

But God has reserved for himself from among these Jews a remnant, just as he did in the old days. There is always a remnant, and one exists today, and will perpetuate until God's plan is complete. Jews who still worship the one and only God - but not in whole - as they have not yet accepted the Messiah that has been sent to them, and the rest of mankind. And Jews will remain this way until the fullness of the rest of those who have been called to Christ is complete. At that time, God will soften the hearts of the remnant of faithful Jews and they will finally accept their Christ and they will enter Christ's church, along with the rest of history's Jews and Gentiles who heeded God's call to Christ.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
Not sure why you'd take the step to seemingly condemn all Jews because of the history you point to. Are you honestly shocked that conservatives could love Jews?

Don't think I did, just pointing out that there are reasons why people don't like them, especially Germans after World War One. I am still shocked that the party that typically hates communism loves one of the first groups to spread it, those that pointlessly attacked the USS Liberty, receive endless piles of cash hand outs to a foreign nation, and that in the US they (and Jewish politicians) lean democtat.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
Like I typed, note the number of foreign Jewish individuals leading the rebellion. The opposition to the idea that Jews did bad things in the past is almost comical. Every group of people did something awful at one point or another. You don't have to be perfect.

You are refering to Hindenburg's DOLCHSTOSSLEGEND don't you? It was propaganda and got it's revival during the Nazi campaign to get inot the Reichstag. Connecting the Jews to the Dolchstosslegende is deepest Nazi doctrine, good to mobilize people back in 1933 but historically not accurate.

But still, who are those "foreing Jewish individuals" you mentioned in your quote? There should be a list I suppose? Who where these people?

Wikipedia and Churchill is all fine, but really Chuchill was expressing an opinion and Wikipedia is to short to go into details about German history of the 20'st century.

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The Jews were the people God raised up to himself. The ones to whom God revealed himself. The ones to whom he made promises, and the ones with whom he made covenants. It was the Jews who received the law. It was the people to whom God sent the prophets, or who were selected as prophets. It was the Jews that produced the Christ. It was the Jews that were to spread the knowledge of the Father and his son Christ to the rest of the earth. And it was the Jews that rejected their Messiah.

This is an area where I think a lot of people have problems...the notion of a special, chosen people who have some kind of instantaneous claim on God's blessing. How many "Jews" of today actually have a genuine biological bloodline going back to Abram (Abraham)? It is argued that many of the current sects of Judaism might be some sort of spiritual progeny, but they are no more descendants of Abraham than any other average person.

When thinking about this question, keep in mind that this alleged family relationship is the basis for many worldly issues. The United States and the United Kingdom (Britain) put modern day Israel on the map. Do the Jews really have a valid claim on Palestine? Or, are they really just a crafty, resilient people who are fantastic at playing the sympathy card?

It's good food for thought, that's for sure.

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Do the Jews really have a valid claim on Palestine?

You serious, Clark?

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You serious, Clark?

Enough people throughout the world take the issue seriously to fight wars over it. As for myself, I have no basis for evaluating the claim other than outside observation.

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How many "Jews" of today actually have a genuine biological bloodline going back to Abram (Abraham)? It is argued that many of the current sects of Judaism might be some sort of spiritual progeny, but they are no more descendants of Abraham than any other average person.

That's the wonderful thing about the Bible. Careful reading will reveal that it is all about relationship. Blood is not necessary to be accepted into the tribe of Israel. Recognition of God as the one and only and following his laws(cementing relationship) is all that's necessary. Rahab a Canaanite was admitted to Israel due to her faith and her works were credited to her as Righteousness. There are many born of Abraham I'm sure that God doesn't know because they don't know him.

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Originally posted by spexet:

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You serious, Clark?

Enough people throughout the world take the issue seriously to fight wars over it. As for myself, I have no basis for evaluating the claim other than outside observation.

People fight wars for all kinds of dubious reasons. All the time. As an outside observer myself, but helped or hindered (depends on how you look at it) with a history degree, I'll go ahead and venture to say: The preponderance of evidence shows Jews have a legitimate claim on the region.

But maybe I'm wrong? Maybe my entire education was a waste and Liveleak or Infowars has all the good info?

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
The "Jews" did NOT kill Jesus. The Romans did.

More specifically, I killed Jesus, as it was my sin that made His sacrifice necesary.

To answer the question, the world hates Jews because they are, and always have been, God's chosen people.

After the Egyptians, the Romans, the Spaniards, and the Arabs, maybe he could choose someone else next time.