Navy Reports Alarming 'Stealth Transmission' Rate: 60% Of Infected Carrier Crew Symptom-Free

In an extremely worrisome development signaling the coronavirus peak in the United States could last longer than expected, the US Navy has found that most COVID-19 cases aboard the virus-stricken aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt are among sailors who are asymptomatic.

"Sweeping testing of the entire crew of the coronavirus-stricken U.S. aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt may have revealed a clue about the pandemic: The majority of the positive cases so far are among sailors who are asymptomatic, officials say," Reuters reports.

This suggests the virus could be spreading more frequently by stealth mode in the broader population, with many more people than is known walking around walking around with the disease unawares.

At least 655 Roosevelt sailors have now tested positive, including one death and multiple hospitalizations, out of a total crew of a about 4,800. It's startling that the Navy has found that out of over 600 COVID-19 infected sailors, the majority have displayed no symptoms. Testing is about 95% complete on the entire crew since the ship was diverted to Guam last month amid a spiraling crisis on board.

“With regard to COVID-19, we’re learning that stealth in the form of asymptomatic transmission is this adversary’s secret power,” Rear Admiral Bruce Gillingham, surgeon general of the Navy, told reporters.

The Navy specified that 60% of the Roosevelt's positive cases "so far have not shown symptoms". Crucially, Reuters points out that the "figure is higher than the 25% to 50% range offered on April 5 by Dr. Anthony Fauci".

This is likely due the fact that enlisted military ranks tend to be already very healthy individuals in their 20's and early 30's. The carrier crew also provides a key active case study given the isolation of nearly 5,000 people apart from broader society, and the young, fit demographic.

Defense Secretary Mark Esper told NBC’s Today on Thursday that the conclusions regarding asymptomatic spread aboard the ship conclusions are “disconcerting”. Esper said, “It has revealed a new dynamic of this virus: that it can be carried by normal, healthy people who have no idea whatsoever that they are carrying it,” Esper said.

While this is not a new revelation, the case of the Roosevelt carrier and its crew provides shocking and clear confirmation that this reality is likely playing out on a much broader scale than previously thought.

https://www.zerohedge.com/heal...er-crew-symptom-free

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Navy Reports Alarming 'Stealth Transmission' Rate: 60% Of Infected Carrier Crew Symptom-Free

Couldn't one argue that's an encouraging revelation? That the death rate of this thing is actually much lower than we currently think?

^yes, now release the population from lock down

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WHO recommends limiting access to alcohol . . . Believe it may increase chances of catching the ‘vid.

We're doomed.

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Couldn't one argue that's an encouraging revelation? That the death rate of this thing is actually much lower than we currently think?

Yes.
And the other point is that the "lock down" won't work because the virus is out there and it's spreading, even moreso than we even knew. We can't keep things "locked down" forever so it's not going to work.
Instead, we should focus on developing treatments for those who are symptomatic and actually get sick. It seems that most people won't even get sick.

Not exactly being a non drinker, I think I agree with the idea. I like the idea of reducing the access to alcohol for many in the population. Well, the rest of you but certainly not me. As usual, I'll do as I please and the hell with the rest of you. Just from my formerly alcohol soaked memory, I'd say that while I'm not really a prepper, I am as far as money, ammo, and booze is concerned. I've even got some wine around here, but I've been giving it up to my one DIL every so often. Not all, just some.

What it means is those of us who drink "responsibily" if that's possible, will be able to do as we please. Its one of my hallmarks! The church woman approach doesn't want us to drink at all, ever. I say fuck 'em. And if you practiced any kind of future planning, you'd have a bunch of booze stashed away where you could get to it without any government interference. Just like the ammo, stacked deep.

So who would be inconvenienced? Not the fools out partying during this time period. Most couldn't get a good buzz on with what they have at home. Sure couldn't get drunk enough to turn in a DUI. If you think about it, there are a lot of parallels between booze and ammo. At my current rate of fire, I could spend weeks and months and not even badly dent the small hoard I've got. That, like booze, is bought cheap and stacked deep. Y'all should try it sometime.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
WHO recommends limiting access to alcohol

Believe it may increase chances of catching the ‘vid.

Oopsie.

Makes sense that alcohol consumption, particularly to excess would increase likelihood of “catching the ‘vid.” Alcohol is a poison (a very pleasant poison, but a poison nonetheless) that our bodies have to work to breakdown and metabolize. Drinking lots of alcohol is generally not associated with making good decisions.*

I still firmly believe that a free people must be free to make decisions, be they good or bad, and live (or die) with the consequences of those decisions.

* And no, I am not a teetotaler or Prohibitionist. I enjoy a bourbon or two from time to time. Not more than that, as these days it hurts too much later.

Utah Governor and other government leaders just had a presser announcing the reopening of the Utah economy. In several steps, a bit at a time.

After two weeks of the freeway seeming like a Sunday morning, my commute this morning was way busier. Not quite normal, but way busier than the last couple of weeks.

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The majority of the positive cases so far are among sailors who are asymptomatic, officials say,“

We’ve got Remdesivir for severely ill folks. We’ve got hydroxychloroquine/zinc sulphate/Azithromycin cocktails to help those with symptoms but not yet severely ill recover quickly without becoming severely ill.
We’ve got evidence that 50% or more are asymptomatic. Not even mild symptoms, asymptomatic.

Geez, a rational person might think it was time to lynch some governors, suggest that at risk folks might want to consider self quarantining, and call all this shutdown nonsense off, at least in a whole lot of areas.

Kinda makes one wonder...

For the people who test positive but don't show symptoms, how long does that condition last ?

After 2 weeks do they no longer test positive?

But then there would be antibodies in their blood ?

It’s always great to see that the people making the rules don’t follow the rules.

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For the people who test positive but don't show symptoms, how long does that condition last ?

After 2 weeks do they no longer test positive?

But then there would be antibodies in their blood ?

I'm curious too. A few days ago my sister found out that she is Wuhan positive, but she is completely asymptomatic. I talked to her today and she mentioned a slight cough but otherwise perfectly fine. We'll see how she's doing in a week or two.

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It’s always great to see that the people making the rules don’t follow the rules.

We must remember that the French Aristocracy did not see it coming either...

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Couldn't one argue that's an encouraging revelation? That the death rate of this thing is actually much lower than we currently think?

Yes.
And the other point is that the "lock down" won't work because the virus is out there and it's spreading, even moreso than we even knew. We can't keep things "locked down" forever so it's not going to work.
Instead, we should focus on developing treatments for those who are symptomatic and actually get sick. It seems that most people won't even get sick.

Screw this Three Phase Plane. It's utterly pointless.

Coronavirus antibody testing finds Bay Area infections may be 85 times higher than reported: researchers

A team of researchers in California found that the number of coronaviruses cases in one county may actually be up to 85 times higher than the what health officials have tallied, and say their data may help better estimate the virus’ true fatality rate.

https://www.foxnews.com/health...reported-researchers

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...nd-get-back-to-work/

President Donald Trump on Friday berated House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer for failing to return to Washington and get back to work.

“End your ENDLESS VACATION!” Trump wrote on Twitter.

The House and Senate remain away from Washington during the coronavirus crisis, but Democrats are blocking swift passage of additional funding for the paycheck protection program run by the Treasury Department.

“Today people started losing their jobs because of Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, and the Radical Left,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Do Nothing Democrats, who should immediately come back to Washington and approve legislation to help families in America.”

The funds for the program ran out on Thursday, grinding it to a halt.

“They are killing American small businesses,” Trump wrote. “Stop playing politics Dems! Support Refilling PPP NOW – it is out of funds!”

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
WHO recommends limiting access to alcohol

Believe it may increase chances of catching the ‘vid.

Oopsie.

Makes sense that alcohol consumption, particularly to excess would increase likelihood of “catching the ‘vid.” Alcohol is a poison (a very pleasant poison, but a poison nonetheless) that our bodies have to work to breakdown and metabolize. Drinking lots of alcohol is generally not associated with making good decisions.*

I still firmly believe that a free people must be free to make decisions, be they good or bad, and live (or die) with the consequences of those decisions.

* And no, I am not a teetotaler or Prohibitionist. I enjoy a bourbon or two from time to time. Not more than that, as these days it hurts too much later.

I don't disagree, but do you know how many functioning alcoholics exist in this country? You're just going to cut them off cold turkey, do you have any idea what the ramifications of that?

Again although not ideal, there are probably a significant number of people in this country that are self-medicating with alcohol to keep themselves from going nuts. Maybe it's not wise to cut that supply off. I don't know what area you live in but I live in a metro area and listen to the scanner frequently and people are already way off the hook.

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https://www.breitbart.com/poli...nd-get-back-to-work/

President Donald Trump on Friday berated House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer for failing to return to Washington and get back to work.

Very good

Again, entirely justified

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Couldn't one argue that's an encouraging revelation? That the death rate of this thing is actually much lower than we currently think?

Yes.
And the other point is that the "lock down" won't work because the virus is out there and it's spreading, even moreso than we even knew. We can't keep things "locked down" forever so it's not going to work.
Instead, we should focus on developing treatments for those who are symptomatic and actually get sick. It seems that most people won't even get sick.

Screw this Three Phase Plane. It's utterly pointless.

Coronavirus antibody testing finds Bay Area infections may be 85 times higher than reported: researchers

A team of researchers in California found that the number of coronaviruses cases in one county may actually be up to 85 times higher than the what health officials have tallied, and say their data may help better estimate the virus’ true fatality rate.

https://www.foxnews.com/health...reported-researchers

This is excellent and bad news at the same time.

I’m hitting protests this weekend in WI. Saturday at 11:00 Brookfield Square, Moreland RD.

Sunday at 2:00, Mosinee WI, looks like an industrial area. The address is 1040 Indianhead Dr. Mosinee, WI

If so inclined & nearby, come along.

The big one is Madison, next Friday the 24th. I may have to work then, hitting what I can.

If I was in MI I’d be out with my MOTORBOAT after early season panfish, some seasons closed yet.

23 deaths in my State. I bet more people died in the past month sitting on the damned toilet, yet I have friends whose businesses have likely been irreparably destroyed due to the governor's misguided shutdown.