Hahaha. I actually like the aesthetic of the Taurus better.

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Originally posted by KSGM:
Hahaha. I actually like the aesthetic of the Taurus better.

Honestly, me too. The Kuna is kinda ugly, especially the blatant ripoff of the Scorpion stock, which I think is ugly as sin. One of the things I like about guns like the ACR, SCAR, Stribog, et al. is their embracing the square receiver/handguard extension aesthetic. Just straight utilitarian, no unneeded curves and angles. The Kuna designers seemed like they wanted to add a bunch of lines to pretty it up and wound up taking it in the other direction a bit.

Anyways, in the spirit of utilitarianism, I won't let that stuff bother me. If it makes it to market and proves to be a solid performer, I'll put function over form.

As for the chambering, I happen to have a whole lot of .40 that I inherited. Range ammo, Remington DOJ contract duty loads, and even simunition. Cases and cases of it. A whole Rubbermain chest full. I was kicking around ideas for a .40S&W PCC with some friends a few months ago just because, and started going through the whole thought exercise again. The Kuna starts where I wound up with on the Stribog.

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Originally posted by KSGM:
Hahaha. I actually like the aesthetic of the Taurus better.

Honestly, me too. The Kuna is kinda ugly, especially the blatant ripoff of the Scorpion stock, which I think is ugly as sin. One of the things I like about guns like the ACR, SCAR, Stribog, et al. is their embracing the square receiver/handguard extension aesthetic. Just straight utilitarian, no unneeded curves and angles. The Kuna designers seemed like they wanted to add a bunch of lines to pretty it up and wound up taking it in the other direction a bit.

Anyways, in the spirit of utilitarianism, I won't let that stuff bother me. If it makes it to market and proves to be a solid performer, I'll put function over form.

As for the chambering, I happen to have a whole lot of .40 that I inherited. Range ammo, Remington DOJ contract duty loads, and even simunition. Cases and cases of it. A whole Rubbermaid tote full. I was kicking around ideas for a .40S&W PCC with some friends a few months ago just because, and started going through the whole thought exercise again. The Kuna starts where I wound up with on the Stribog. Obviously, a .45 cal can would have to happen....

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
I will likely be in on this! I will be in for 2 if the 10mm becomes a reality.

You've seen this, right? Roller delayed, takes UMP mags.

https://palmettostatearmory.co...ce-197892004848.html

I did not realize they were making a 10mm. I paid a little attention to the Stribog many years ago when it was first released many years ago.
Seemed like folks were having a lot of issues and I quit paying attention.

Mags look to be $40 or so. I like the $25 mag price for the Springfield.
Also would not mind owning a gun made in Croatia as I have been there.

Guess I’ll have to do some more reading on the Stribog.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
I did not realize they were making a 10mm. I paid a little attention to the Stribog many years ago when it was first released many years ago.
Seemed like folks were having a lot of issues and I quit paying attention.

Mags look to be $40 or so. I like the $25 mag price for the Springfield.
Also would not mind owning a gun made in Croatia as I have been there.

Guess I’ll have to do some more reading on the Stribog.

Mags for the 10mm Stribog are not $40, unless maybe the Grand Power ones. Yes, the SP10A3 (and SP45A3) takes UMP mags, but HK never made them in 10mm because they never made a factory UMP in 10mm. The only 10mm UMP mags are converted .45 mags that were made for an aftermarket UMP conversion and run like $140 each.

The mag situation is one of the reasons why I went with the .45 Stribog, but went with a CMMG MK10 for my 10mm PPC.

I'd maybe give the Taurus a shot, if the price is a significant savings & it plays well with a suppressor.
I do think the Kuna looks better overall.

HA! I may just be onto something, here.



I've heard about this thing being in the works for a while now. If it looks like a Scorpion Evo 3, well, that's because Lucanski is the guy who designed the Scorpion Evo 3.

^^^ That was one of the COOLEST new PCCs I've seen. What a sweet blend of features from other designs. I want to get my hands on one of these.

Cool to have some options out there that aren't MP5 priced...
The Lucansky & Springfield will definitely get a look by me once they start arriving on shelves, maybe the Taurs could tempt me if it's a significant price difference, to dip my toe in the PCC market.

That is pretty cool. Definitely simpler than a roller system. And if they can really deliver for under $1000 that would be awesome. I'll be keeping an eye on these.

Looks like it’s officially out today. I had skipped out on the Stribog SP9 (but did got a SP45A3), but ordered one with the brace. Be an interesting comparison with the Stribog. Croatian vs. Slovakian design.

PSA had it yesterday for $1100, and it was gone quickly.

Wonder if anyone will be offering the OEM stock? 99.9% sure that SA won’t.

Why not? For example, CZ-USA offers the OEM Evo stock, B&T does the same with their various pistols/PCCs, etc.

Especially likely if SA ends up releasing a 16" carbine version, like Ian mentions in the video I posted above.

Interesting break down on how the roller mechanism works. Being very familiar with the Stribog A3 now, I think there's definitely some improvements there, notably that center roller and the fact that the pin is captive. It's so similar that I wonder how Grand Power isn't suing them, but I'm not an international patent lawyer. Is it enough to make me want to ditch mine? Probably not. I would like to see some shooting videos, especially suppressed, since I would have a can on this gun 100% of the time if I owned one.

As for the stock... I think the OEM is like a mashup of the Scorpion and Bren 2 stock, but uglier.

I think it would probably looks great with an APC stock on it.

I do kind of dislike that they took some design cues from CZ that I don't like on the Scorpion platform, like the downward cut at the front of the receiver/handguard and the magazine well shape. The former gives you a few less slots for attaching lights and lasers further up, or at the very least, less to hang onto if you C clamp the gun. I would've preferred a flush end to it. The magazine well is maybe just an aesthetic complaint, but the Scorpion aftermarket has tackled both of those. If you're going to texture it in what is a nod to people gripping it there, at least extend it a half inch so there's more to hang onto.

Anyways, minor niggles. I look forward to some actual shooting reviews of it. Also looking forward to the Lucansky.

Potentially a safety/liability thing... Perhaps they don't want people tempted to put their thumb that close to the muzzle.

"C clamp and point with your thumb" is fine unless it slides backwards just enough under recoil to put your thumb over the vertical brake ports. (Kinda like trying to use a "thumbs forward" grip on a revolver...)

That extra inch or so of safety might make the difference.

I guess I can see that, but for my purposes, I'm going to have a suppressor on it basically the entire time anyway. I also index my thumb off the controls for my LAM, which I'd prefer being able to get as close up to the muzzle as I can.

Anyways, my use case is probably more specific than most, and I get why they wouldn't cater to it. If the platform takes off, I'm sure KDG or someone else will step up with an offering to address that.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Why not? For example, CZ-USA offers the OEM Evo stock, B&T does the same with their various pistols/PCCs, etc.

Especially likely if SA ends up releasing a 16" carbine version, like Ian mentions in the video I posted above.

SA isn’t either CZ or B&T. Have you seen them offer anything for the Hellion? People have wanted the original VHS-2 magwell, mags, handguard, rail with built in optic, etc. Nothing.

Regarding a 16” carbine, that may be a pipe dream as long as 922r is out there. Importing pistols is one thing because 922r doesn’t apply. Importing, or making, a 16” rifle means making a number of U.S. replacement parts to get the imported parts count to 10 or below. I don’t see SA doing that.

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
Regarding a 16” carbine, that may be a pipe dream as long as 922r is out there. Importing pistols is one thing because 922r doesn’t apply. Importing, or making, a 16” rifle means making a number of U.S. replacement parts to get the imported parts count to 10 or below. I don’t see SA doing that.

SA does exactly that with the imported Hellion rifles... The muzzle device, grip, piston, magazine, magwell, and trigger components are all US parts.

So why couldn't/wouldn't they also do this to import a Kuna carbine?