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I'm waiting on my LE OIP upgrade through our LE rep out here. So far Sig's representative has been uber responsive. I'm hoping for the best. If it doesn't work out I may look at the M&P 2.0. However I suspect Sig will impress up. | |||
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Just to clarify my prior post. I'm not making ANY judgments on what the results will be after a P320 is upgraded. Given the degree of change in the fire control chain, it is a legitimate concern for anyone who intends to send in their P320. Unlike a small few, who have dumped on Sig for the need to upgrade, I believe their response is admirable. However, I don't have a crystal ball. What happens with trigger quality and reliability will be easily determined...later. The only folks I trust are our own SF members which, of course, includes Bruce Gray and his team. Given my personal circumstances regarding the P320, I can easily live with either option. Send it to Sig for the upgrade OR leave it as is. In it's current state, with the PELT trigger, it's one of the finest shooting pistols I own. In the meantime, I'm exercising patience and waiting for the dulcet sound from afar: "It ain't over till the fat lady sings." For those who are waiting with bated breath for the etymology of the term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...l_the_fat_lady_sings ______________________ An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. --Nicholas Murray Butler | |||
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Got back from 2 days of classes with the 320. Holy shit, I managed NOT to drop it. And none of the other shooters (about half the students in the class(es)) managed to drop theirs either. Even doing weak hand draws, malfunction clearances and reloads. Hell, the morning of one day was in the rain. Somehow it was not a mass-casualty scene. Shocking, right??? Only thing on my 320 that "failed" were the Talon Grips I had added. ---------------------------- Chuck Norris put the laughter in "manslaughter" Educating the youth of America, one declension at a time. | |||
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In this video he states that the grip module itself needs to be modified, and if you have multiples they will need to be sent in. I find that interesting based on previous analysis of the Sig reps explaining the fix. Regarding the trigger color, the picture in this video says "production trigger unlikely to be this color". While I agree with previous statements that this would make "upgraded" pistols easily identifiable for ROs and such, I think more people would find the bronze trigger ugly/unacceptable than the people who find it visually appealing. | |||
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Jeez...you're really living on the edge. While I didn't use my P320 last week I was nearly killed by a herd of water buffalo on my way to the supermarket. Could happen to anybody. Be careful out there.  ______________________ An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. --Nicholas Murray Butler | |||
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I don't know where you are getting your facts, but it's wrong. Triggers will not be gold and grip frames will not be modified. This is from me speaking to factory sig CS and the LE rep on several occasions. I carried my RX compact today and didn't drop it. | |||
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I have Tom Givens Advanced Instructor course coming up and have used my P320c (Bruce Gray Carry Package) for the last 2 years in his courses. I have been doing ball and dummy drills every Sunday for a month to tune my skill set. Probably put 2k rounds down range in the last month with that gun. I have not dropped it and it has not malfunctioned. In short. It really is my favorite gun. I took the Glock 19 just in case the hysteria gets to me and I hear the "you can't shoot that here" speech. To me the Clock is just such a "Meh" firearm for me. Yes it runs, yes it shoots well, etc.. But it just does not feel as great as the P320 to me. I shot my Full Size and X5 as well. Ran probably 30 mags through all of them. Smiles every time. I am going to continue to shoot and carry my P320s all of them until I hear from Bruce. When I do he can have them all back to check them out. This includes my back up compact and the Full Size Tactical which sits in the safe by the bed. If Bruce says they are good to go for now, thats enough for me. NRA Training Counselor NRA Benefactor Member | |||
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I'll be honest, I've never dropped a handgun but there are people who buy low quality holsters that a gun can fall out of. Still in all my intentions are wait and see but I'm wondering if some time in the future will it be difficult to get after market upgrades or just normal work on the gun if it was never sent in for what sig refers as an upgrade. I too also wonder what will happen to the trigger pull that currently love. And what do they mean by a manual safety? | |||
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Thank you! I am utterly confident that your patience will be well rewarded. Forum members will be first to know the details of Grayguns' comprehensive response. We will take excellent care of our P320 owners. -Bruce Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER Visit us at http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components. Bruce Gray, President Grayguns Inc. Grayguns.com / 888.585.4729 | |||
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We'll have fully compatible solutions for every mutual customer's specific situation and preferences. SIG is working with us on these solutions, and I am hugely grateful to them for how they are handling this. You probably won't have to send them in to us, to reinforce your confidence. We'll have details as soon as engineering, testing and production are all completed. -Bruce Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER Visit us at http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components. Bruce Gray, President Grayguns Inc. Grayguns.com / 888.585.4729 | |||
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Thanks Bruce. I have a large supply of patience. Except for politicians... ______________________ An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. --Nicholas Murray Butler | |||
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Just got back from a 2 day car trip in my 320i. Holy Shit, I managed not to crash! And none of the other drivers crashed into me either!. Even doing left hand turns, sudden stops and u-turns. Hell, the morning of one day was in the rain. Somehow it was not a mass-casualty scene. Shocking, right??? The only thing on my car that "Failed" were the beaded seat covers I added. | |||
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What's the point of this stuff, guys? The problem is real. The circumstances under which an unintentional discharge occurs are loosley defined. What is the point of this "I picked up my P320 and it didn't go off" stuff? | |||
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I believe it's a tongue in cheek response to the fear mongering and sky-is-falling mania that's accompanied the explosive response to the issue. Yes, it's real. Yes, it needs to be addressed. It is not necessarily something which requires cessation of use or carry of the P320, and I think the general humorous responses to that end indicate that not everyone is going to lock up their P320 until the dust settles. It is, after all, a "voluntary upgrade." | |||
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Yes and yes. ---------------------------- Chuck Norris put the laughter in "manslaughter" Educating the youth of America, one declension at a time. | |||
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Went out to fly yesterday morning wearing my 320. Got the preflight all done, and then noticed a slight anomaly in the inner sidewall of the right tire. If there was a hard landing it could have burst and the plane could have GONE OFF the runway. So we did a voluntary recall and a mechanic will replace the tire today. ---------------The Answer Is There Is No Answer--------------- | |||
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Me too Bruce, present company excluded. | |||
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That was just an upgrade. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
It was only marginally funny the first few times. Now, it's just plain old. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Exactly! I just bought a 320 FDE, and I am not afraid of it. I will be cautious when need be, but I really like the 320, it has solid engineering in it, IMHO. And I am not sure when or if I will send it back. Like most things, the "New" needs to wear off the parts refit program before I want my pistol in it. I do wish someone would make a Quality Glock style trigger for the 320, I believe that would stop the drop fire problem. It did for Ruger and the SR9, several years ago. "Cry Havoc and let slip..." "Sic Semper Tyrannis!!" | |||
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