Do we think they are just going to put in the optional trigger with a dingus?

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Originally posted by cslinger:
Do we think they are just going to put in the optional trigger with a dingus?

See above; the strong suggestion is that the 'fix' will involve parts currently used for the M17.

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
......How hard is it to change the trigger? I have never seen the insides of a P320 but it has to be pretty easy right?.....

See the Grayguns Installation Video:

https://grayguns.com/product/c...s-p320-trigger-pelt/

Per RogueJSK, the only PITA is detaching the spring. The thumb can take a beating. Put a piece of tape on it or use a rubber glove. It's one of those wiggle deals, like the installation of the locking insert on classic P-series. Not difficult. Just be sure not to bend the spring.

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Originally posted by P6shooter:
Soooo, it would appear that SIG knew that there was a better way of doing things. I'm disappointed that the resident expert said that the P320 could NEVER fire when dropped and that the video of it doing just that was an "obvious fake". It seems that SIG knew something that others did not. Never say never, don't be a fanboy and don't say that you are 100% certain of any machine. They will bite you on the ass.

Game, set, and match.

I should have quoted after that sentence, I was agreeing with his sentiment on the rest, not the M17 portion.

TTAG Article says SIG told them the M17 was GTG, but I'll sell you some oceanfront property if Arizona if you really believe that.

ETA, I updated my post to properly reflect what I was agreeing with.

From the site I saw it is still a voluntary fix because the "drop" in question is much higher than any testing is normally done. I don't anticipate dropping mine from above my head.. but I might send for the fix.

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Originally posted by Zecpull:
From the site I saw it is still a voluntary fix because the "drop" in question is much higher than any testing is normally done. I don't anticipate dropping mine from above my head.. but I might send for the fix.

You must be short, 3'11" or so.

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Originally posted by Zecpull:
From the site I saw it is still a voluntary fix because the "drop" in question is much higher than any testing is normally done. I don't anticipate dropping mine from above my head.. but I might send for the fix.

The TTAG video clearly shows them dropping it from about 4-5 feet... certainly not above your head. A police officer on another forum mentioned accidentally dropping his holstered service pistol when a hook holding his belt broke. If you have not done so, I suggest re-watching the videos posted today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Oz6krEH_I

Furthermore, unless they don't have stairs where you live, it is entirely possible for a pistol to fall further than your height even without doing something stupid.

I'll eventually send mine in for the "upgrade," but only with great trepidation. The trigger on mine is so sweet the way it is... *sigh*

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Originally posted by RX-79G:
Who says the M17s already have the changes?

I would say the M17s are a gray area. They should not be affected by a drop because of the safety, if the safety is engaged. I bet SIG is saying they are not affected because the safety should be engaged unless in the act of firing the gun.

Didn't they have a similar situation with the short reset trigger where it was not actually drop safe once it was cocked?

Just as I posted that the trigger inertia aspect got me wondering about all of the classic DA/SA guns once they are cocked. Maybe old JMB was on to something with that grip safety.

The language regarding the M17 version of the P320 in that letter is just massive CYA if you ask me.

Worst case scenario, SIG stands to lose hundreds of millions of dollars over this issue if the Army decides to review and cancel the contract. OF COURSE they are going to be like this guy when it comes to this 20 to 30+ year revenue stream for them!

Say goodbye to those sweet P320 triggers guys.

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Originally posted by RichN:

Just as I posted that the trigger inertia aspect got me wondering about all of the classic DA/SA guns once they are cocked. Maybe old JMB was on to something with that grip safety.

Langdon Tactical just posted the answer to this... well in the case of a Beretta at least:
https://www.facebook.com/video...id=10213559284039691

Just thinking out loud here, but if you consider the man-hours of the SIG gunsmiths, the cost of shipping two ways, and the man-hours involved in managing all that shipping, might it not be easier for SIG to just ship out new FCUs with the trigger upgrades already installed? You send a serial number, they send you the FCU, you install it, done.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by Zecpull:
From the site I saw it is still a voluntary fix because the "drop" in question is much higher than any testing is normally done. I don't anticipate dropping mine from above my head.. but I might send for the fix.

You must be short, 3'11" or so.

There must be more videos.. but the one I saw he held it above his head to drop it exactly at the right angle.

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Originally posted by toivo:
Just thinking out loud here, but if you consider the man-hours of the SIG gunsmiths, the cost of shipping two ways, and the man-hours involved in managing all that shipping, might it not be easier for SIG to just ship out new FCUs with the trigger upgrades already installed? You send a serial number, they send you the FCU, you install it, done.

Then there would be multiple FCU with matching serial numbers out there.
I could see them replacing the entire FCU if you send yours in.

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Originally posted by RX-79G:

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Originally posted by Zecpull:
There must be more videos.. but the one I saw he held it above his head to drop it exactly at the right angle.

A forum member saw his friends P320 fire from a 3' drop on carpet earlier in the thread.

Who "plans" to drop a firearm?

And when you have your firearm out of a holster, you might be aiming it at something (ie, level with your eyeline, part of the cranium / HEAD).

Seems to be it could be dropped anywhere from waist level up to the head height, or in between.

Or maybe there is a "Dropping gun checklist"

(1) Ensure weapon is <3' high.

(2) Position it muzzle or side down. Never allow it to drop with the rear of the slide down.

(3) Drop gently as possible, heavy drops may cause weapon to FIRE.

I was all set to buy a P320c this week, but now I see this. I predict that there's going to be an uptick in Glock sales, because that's where I'm likely to go.
I'm wondering if the flat face trigger swap would resolve the problem. Anybody try that yet?

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by RX-79G:

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Originally posted by Zecpull:
There must be more videos.. but the one I saw he held it above his head to drop it exactly at the right angle.

A forum member saw his friends P320 fire from a 3' drop on carpet earlier in the thread.

Who "plans" to drop a firearm?

And when you have your firearm out of a holster, you might be aiming it at something (ie, level with your eyeline, part of the cranium / HEAD).

Seems to be it could be dropped anywhere from waist level up to the head height, or in between.

Or maybe there is a "Dropping gun checklist"

(1) Ensure weapon is <3' high.

(2) Position it muzzle or side down. Never allow it to drop with the rear of the slide down.

(3) Drop gently as possible, heavy drops may cause weapon to FIRE.

Lets not forget about the existence of stairs, ledges and other elevated positions. None of which are relevant given that the TTAG video CLEARly shows this happening at even a modest ~4 foot drop.

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Originally posted by Zecpull:
Then there would be multiple FCU with matching serial numbers out there.
I could see them replacing the entire FCU if you send yours in.

Good point. It still would be easier and cheaper than shipping the whole pistol.