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Originally posted by toivo:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by toivo:

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Originally posted by Zecpull:
Then there would be multiple FCU with matching serial numbers out there.
I could see them replacing the entire FCU if you send yours in.

Good point. It still would be easier and cheaper than shipping the whole pistol.

Not really, weight/size isn't the greatest cost determinant when shipping a handgun(frame), which is what the FCU is, the serialized part of the weapon. That vs probably 3-4 pieces/parts, which aren't considered a firearm.

Not sure what you mean. The FCU could be shipped in a padded envelope. It doesn't need an FFL because it's going from owner to manufacturer for service. As long as what comes back has the same serial number, everything should be legal.

I would imagine that if SIG is going to replace the trigger themselves, they'll want the whole pistol. That would be much larger and heavier than just the FCU.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:

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Originally posted by ScopeX5:
Recoil Mag posted the fix and pictures

Revised striker, chassis, trigger, disconnector, and sear housing

A fake issue manufactured by glock fanboys indeed. How many examples of end user beta testing and disregard need to be brought to light for people to stop trusting SIG-USA?

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Originally posted by toivo:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by toivo:

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Originally posted by Zecpull:
Then there would be multiple FCU with matching serial numbers out there.
I could see them replacing the entire FCU if you send yours in.

Good point. It still would be easier and cheaper than shipping the whole pistol.

Not really, weight/size isn't the greatest cost determinant when shipping a handgun(frame), which is what the FCU is, the serialized part of the weapon. That vs probably 3-4 pieces/parts, which aren't considered a firearm.

Not sure what you mean. The FCU could be shipped in a padded envelope. It doesn't need an FFL because it's going from owner to manufacturer for service. As long as what comes back has the same serial number, everything should be legal.

I would imagine that if SIG is going to replace the trigger themselves, they'll want the whole pistol. That would be much larger and heavier than just the FCU.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
"If you build it completely drop safe, you legitimize mishandling." - Ron Cohen.


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Is it just me, or is that AFU?

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by toivo:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by toivo:

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Originally posted by Zecpull:
Then there would be multiple FCU with matching serial numbers out there.
I could see them replacing the entire FCU if you send yours in.

Good point. It still would be easier and cheaper than shipping the whole pistol.

Not really, weight/size isn't the greatest cost determinant when shipping a handgun(frame), which is what the FCU is, the serialized part of the weapon. That vs probably 3-4 pieces/parts, which aren't considered a firearm.

Not sure what you mean. The FCU could be shipped in a padded envelope. It doesn't need an FFL because it's going from owner to manufacturer for service. As long as what comes back has the same serial number, everything should be legal.

I would imagine that if SIG is going to replace the trigger themselves, they'll want the whole pistol. That would be much larger and heavier than just the FCU.

Most certainly can NOT, the FCU is THE GUN since it has the serial number on it. It would have to have a different SERIAL NUMBER.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by WARPIG602:
So I wonder if Sig may have discovered some issues when testing the M17's prior to the start of the MHS trials that casued them to research "upgrades" or did Sig jsut build a stronger P320 for the trials from the get go?

I'm sure if you asked SIG, you'd get 10 different answers, from yes, to no, maybe, and everywhere in between.

This....

“Drop safe ... Those two words don’t exist together. No gun is drop safe. It’s a function of angle, height and surface.
If you build it completely drop safe, you legitimize mishandling. (WTF??? - me)
Inherently guns are not meant to be dropped, and are unsafe when dropped.” - Ron Cohen

Or this... ?

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
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I guess if you sent yours in 1st, maybe, but what of the striker?

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Originally posted by gordynismo:
Since Sig has tested and has confirmed there is an issue with a non-standard drop, they are on point legally. Passing all the required standard tests will not be a defense to civil liability. Show they jury (if it goes that far) the Omaha video and each min played will only add zeros to the settlement. I believe prior knowledge has been established and liability becomes solidified.

The Recoil Mag article it states:

"Revised parts include striker, chassis, trigger, disconnector, and sear housing"

This seems like a pretty big deal. The striker. This is in the slide assembly. So no just sending in the FCUs. I have 2 FCUs and 4 slide assemblies, 2 from exchange kits. Does this mean I will have to send all of these parts in? The chassis. Isn't this the serial numbered portion of the firearm? I hope they provide more detail on this one. The trigger? Those APEX and GGI triggers may be a "drop safe" no go. I have the APEX enhanced curved trigger and really like it. To be "drop safe", do I have to give it up? The trigger pictured looks like is was butchered with a Dremel tool.

"Currently Sig is still working out whether these enhancements will be performed at no charge or what it will cost the end user."

Sig needs to think long and hard about this one. My cost to send in the above will be $90. Add the cost of any parts/labor to my required quantities and for me it becomes a "not worth ownership" situation. To rub salt, I have to remove the RMR I just got dialed in. I love my full size and RMR. I maybe jumping the gun (pun intended), but I am going worst case scenario here - it's the way I am wired.

Lots of questions and I think some pretty big issues to address. If the consumers effort is represenative of the above and Sig does not cover the cost, this will be one of the worst mistakes Sig will make. I have collected and enjoyed Sigs for 15 years. This whole this just leaves a really bad taste. I guess more to come on Monday.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
]Perhaps the dumbest quote I've ever read from a firearms company CEO.

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Originally posted by dusty3030:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
Perhaps the dumbest quote I've ever read from a firearms company CEO.

The Deep Water Horizon event was a teaching moment in crisis communication / public relations. One of the takeaways is that the CEO most often isn't the best spokesperson.

You have to run to the truth. Any kind of crisis of this nature puts your credibility to the test. You can't afford to appear the slightest bit shady.

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Originally posted by gordynismo:
"Currently Sig is still working out whether these enhancements will be performed at no charge or what it will cost the end user."

Sig needs to think long and hard about this one. My cost to send in the above will be $90.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
"If you build it completely drop safe, you legitimize mishandling." - Ron Cohen.


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Is it just me, or is that AFU?

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Originally posted by gordynismo:
Given one of the supposed replacement parts is the trigger, I wonder if APEX will be halting sales of their aftermarket options as they could be culpable in the overall liability.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by gordynismo:
Given one of the supposed replacement parts is the trigger, I wonder if APEX will be halting sales of their aftermarket options as they could be culpable in the overall liability.

Layers to the onion, IMO.

I imagine they feel a bit blindsided by all of this. Or I hope they do.

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Originally posted by toivo:

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Originally posted by gordynismo:
"Currently Sig is still working out whether these enhancements will be performed at no charge or what it will cost the end user."

Sig needs to think long and hard about this one. My cost to send in the above will be $90.

In the past, SIG has sent me prepaid FedEx labels for warranty/service returns. I'd bet their cost is considerably less per item. I agree that failing to pick up the tab would be a serious error on their part.