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Originally posted by YVK:

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Originally posted by konata88:

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Originally posted by YVK:

Serious use RDS guns must have backup irons, and I personally plan on changing to closed emitter sights at least on some of my Glocks.

Like what? The only brand I know that offers is Aimpoint but the Acro seems to suffer from battery life issues.

Are there other tier 1 options? Or just wait for Acro V2?

I am waiting for a specific adapter plate for the 509T and also if ACRO is going to come out with 2032 battery. I plan on getting both.

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
two open emitter RDS guns sidelined
what brand?

Trijicon and Leupold.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Shot in heavy rain yesterday during quarterly quals.. Zero issues. Holster was a 6360RDS.

A couple of times, I had water pooling on the lens. Whenever you pull the trigger, it slings anything left on the lens off.

Lens wasn't much of the issue although after one hour of shooting in the rain powder residue outta ejection port mixed with water became obnoxious. That said, one can just put a tape over and shoot with an occluded lens technique. Problem was water in the emitter. The Trijicon (SRO) I was able to clean up in my hotel with a Q tip, the DPP required a Q tip and blow dryer to get back online. Again, this was a relatively high round training class with open gaming gear.

Shooting in the rain for a hour in open gaming gear, how likely a "RMR for defensive pistols?" scenario? It's not.

That report pretty much DQs open red dots from my woods gun use. Hopefully the Aimpoint gets some improvement.

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Originally posted by konata88:
Final question if you guys will indulge me. In the absence of coupons, discount codes, sales and as long as I'm waiting for stock (backorder), any recommendations between the Brownell's slide (no window) or the Zev Duty slide?

I only have experience with the Brownells slides. Very well made and a great price. I'm sure both will serve you well, though. If you're still on the fence about the whole thing, I would suggest just getting the slide and channel liner and moving your barrel, RSA, and other slide internals over. It only takes a minute (literally) to swap innards.

Amazing that we seem to follow “issues” (real or imagined) on MRDS but they aren’t really issues, but talking points for those who have convinced themselves of a position with no real experience. I’ve got a lot of rounds through an RMR and Romeo1. I’m at least as fast up close, and I don’t suffer problems associated with iron sights.

And the naysayers will balk on it, but I also found another niche use at training on Thursday. Using a ballistic shield. Using the pistol became a hell of a lot easier. Not to mention hanging the RMR on the shield lip on a fast one handed reload.

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Originally posted by offgrid:

Shooting in the rain for a hour in open gaming gear, how likely a "RMR for defensive pistols?" scenario? It's not.

Look what I said two pages ago

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Originally posted by YVK:


Depends. If you're a concealed career drawing a gun for an unpleasant reason, no problem.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Amazing that we seem to follow “issues” (real or imagined) on MRDS but they aren’t really issues, but talking points for those who have convinced themselves of a position with no real experience. I’ve got a lot of rounds through an RMR and Romeo1. I’m at least as fast up close, and I don’t suffer problems associated with iron sights.

And the naysayers will balk on it, but I also found another niche use at training on Thursday. Using a ballistic shield. Using the pistol became a hell of a lot easier. Not to mention hanging the RMR on the shield lip on a fast one handed reload.

Exactly.

I've seen more iron sights fall off, tritium die prematurely, etc. than I have bonafide issues with the RMRs, 507Cs, 407Cs, and 509T that I'm around, and yet it is the red dot that we claim to have additional points of failure. The same has been true with long guns for quite a while and I feel like we're just now reaching the point that people trust them.

And more interestingly, I’ve seen more RMRs fail in class over the years than any other quality optic. I’ve seen more EOTech fail over the years. I have an RMR on my carry gun and EOTech on my work rifle. By choice. They have matured as a choice.

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Originally posted by jljones:
And more interestingly, I’ve seen more RMRs fail in class over the years than any other quality optic. I’ve seen more EOTech fail over the years. I have an RMR on my carry gun and EOTech on my work rifle. By choice. They have matured as a choice.

I agree on the RMRs. To some extent I think that's because of the proliferation of them. And the shortcomings of the Type 1s. I have complete trust in the product, and that's an informed conclusion based on knowing that they can fail and how they do.

Holosun(I know, China)has a new red dot coming out that looks pretty interesting.

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Originally posted by jljones:
And more interestingly, I’ve seen more RMRs fail in class over the years than any other quality optic. I’ve seen more EOTech fail over the years. I have an RMR on my carry gun and EOTech on my work rifle. By choice. They have matured as a choice.

I agree on the RMRs. To some extent I think that's because of the proliferation of them. And the shortcomings of the Type 1s. I have complete trust in the product, and that's an informed conclusion based on knowing that they can fail and how they do.

Those loose-fitting batteries in the Type 1...I had one mounted to a rifle that ran flawlessly. Apparently its recoil wasn't enough to cause the battery to move around, so at least through personal experience I didn't know that there was any issue. But then I bought one for a MOS G19 that would cut out continually, even with that stupid, relatively-expensive-for-what-it-is spacer that Trijicon peddles as a "solution". I finally fixed the cut-off problem by shimming the battery with slices of plastic (blister pack kind of clear material) to force the battery up in order for it to stay in place with the electronic contacts.

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Originally posted by powermad:
Holosun(I know, China)has a new red dot coming out that looks pretty interesting.
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Nice, I always thought a screen-filling cross would be a good solutions but the circle would do the trick.

I certainly have not seen the volume that perhaps others have. But I RSO local matches and the number one failing optic that is there in volume, bar none, is SIG. after that its about a wash, they all go down at about the same rate. For the RMR type 1 that would blank out, I could usually fix that for the participant in the breaks with some dielectric grease and a shim. I have at this point about 15 RMR type 2's and I have not had a single one fail, despite lots of rounds and some pretty abusive treatment. FWIW. I won't even consider carrying or relying on a gun that doesn't have a red dot or optic and backup sights. just me. and the difference in my capabilities with the tool.

What's the recommendation for backup irons for the RMR? Carry/Defensive weapon, not just range duty.
RMR will be directly mounted to the slide (no adapter plates). Pieces are coming together. Irons will be last and only if I adopt the RMR. But would look for stock and sales....

Currently using HD/HD XR or Warren Sevigny fiber....

This thread has gone on for so long I don't remember the platform, but I think its glock. I universally run the Trijicon HD suppressor height ones on a glock. milled or MOS same.

I actually think the 10mm/45 sights zero better on a 17/19.

*Trijicon Suppressor height NS

I prefer plain black for irons with an optic. Favorites are 10-8 Performance, although they are intended for an MOS gun and may come in a little high on a milled gun. I also have a set of plain black Ameriglo suppressor sights (the base model, not the various XL heights) on a milled Glock and they are adequate.

Thanks. My default is Trij HD / HD XR. But it's not clear what the HD MOS sights are and if intended to be used with RMR. The sight height is not the same as their Bright suppressor sights.

I'll look up the 10-8 Performance and Suppressor sights.

Jones: are you saying the 10mm/45 sights work well on the 19? In general or just when used with RMR (is that what your asterisk comment is noting?)? Dovetails are the same? I'll look them up; what's the difference between 10mm and 9mm sights that make them a better choice here?

ETA: The Bright/Tough Suppressor sights: seems like rears are same between 10mm and 9mm. Front width is same but height is about 0.5mm shorter for 10mm than for 9mm. This is better for co-witness? Does this materially change POI for same sight picture? Or just better for co-witness and no material changes to POI? I'm guessing the latter....

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Originally posted by DaBigBR:
I also have a set of plain black Ameriglo suppressor sights (the base model, not the various XL heights) on a milled Glock and they are adequate.

Just to make sure, this seems to indicate that RMR on a milled slide where the RMR (type 2) is attached directly to a recess in the slide (no adaptor plate), the deck height is less than 0.284" per the ameriglo page: https://ameriglo.com/pages/glock-suppressors

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plain black Ameriglo suppressor sights

I can't even imagine the point of that on a carry gun. When you need them you need them in both daytime or nightime. And I find one of the areas that the RMR is weak in that the dot may not be a brightness that you want when the light situation varies dramatically between you (and the gun) and that target and at least for me the NS can help overcome that situation.

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Amazing that we seem to follow “issues” (real or imagined) on MRDS but they aren’t really issues, but talking points for those who have convinced themselves of a position with no real experience. I’ve got a lot of rounds through an RMR and Romeo1. I’m at least as fast up close, and I don’t suffer problems associated with iron sights.

I've been running a 06 type 2 on my M&P for over 3 years now. Probably 3500 rounds (+or-) and I've had no issues with it. I leave it on 24/7 and it's still on the original battery. (I'll change it in the spring)
After I put the time in to learn the "curve" of using a RDS, I'm just as fast at any range as I am with irons & more precise at distance. For me, it's worth every penny.