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That may be what the marketing dude said in that video, but in my gun it doesn't appear that that leg ever contacts the trigger bar. When the trigger is pulled the bar moves forward against the back of the front sear leg, depressing the sear. When the trigger is released, the sear moves back up under its own spring pressure, and the trigger bar moves to the rear and the back of it bottoms out against the sear housing before it ever comes into contact with that rear leg. I checked this on three different guns, just to make sure one wasn't special. From what I can see, in normal operation, the trigger bar never touches the rear sear leg. The safety lever has front and rear legs of its own that nest around the trigger bar, and it does not interact directly with either sear leg. | |||
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In the "Sharp Pointy Thing" video (he says this 2 or 3 times) he has the pistol partially disassembled with the takedown lever removed and the slide slipping back and forth. For that reason, I don't think his experiment is valid. Seems like the TDL interfaces with the safety lever and the TDL needs to be locked into the 3:00 position before any valid testing can take place. Why he would have taken out the TDL, I have no idea. Another Guntoober uses an Xacto blade to depress the sear in a fully assembled P320. The striker does not drop. So either the sear safety notch or the striker block worked as designed. If the striker can drop on a fully assembled, post upgrade P320, in good maintained condition, then SIG needs to look at it and determine the cause. In the meantime I don't think a P320 can fire on its own accord and I believe a post upgrade and properly maintained P320 is drop-safe. | |||
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That same condition can be achieved with the takedown lever out by popping the slide catch up and allowing the takedown safety lever to move back into the "assembled" position. I do question his testing methodology, though, in that he puts a slide on the gun with no barrel or RSA in it, and just kind of holds it in place, which clearly doesn't keep it in the same position that it would be if it was fully assembled and locked into battery. I realize that having a barrel in the gun prevents one from seeing the protrusion of the striker tip, but IMO a better test would be to assemble the gun and place a primed case (no bullet or powder) in the chamber to see if the striker is moving forward of the breech. As such, I'm not fully convinced that his results are valid, either. I do think he presents an interesting theory about that rear sear leg, though, and would like to see a detailed demonstration of what it is supposed to do. | |||
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I have to ask a question. Are all, or most, of these NDs occurring when holstering the pistol or are the claims of of NDs well after the physical motion of holstering is completed? Are there any NDs with the gun just laying around on a table or in a safe? I saw the video showing the guy holstering with his trigger finger appearing to enter the holster and I wouldn't be surprised that could cause an ND. Integrity is doing the right thing, even when nobody is looking. | |||
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From what I've seen its when holstering, or an already holstered pistol. I haven't seen or heard of any issues where a pistol was sitting on a table, in a safe or when dropping the slide on a full magazine (aka slamfire). Because of this, I've always questioned the holster's part in these discharges. Sometimes, you gotta roll the hard six | |||
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I've tried everything I can think of to set off both our 320 and M18 pistols. The are both bone stock and no matter how much I whack them with a plastic mallet, they won't go off. This MUST be from modifications altering the way they work. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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Here’s a compilation. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Xs3vIWkkm2A | |||
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Did you try poking it with a stick? | |||
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Boy, you must really be head-over-heels for the P320 to ignore all of the reported problems plus videos showing what the problem is. Enjoy your SIG, I'll Sorry. Had a snarky remark but, got rid of it. Let’s continue w/ good and productive discussion. | |||
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"Reported problems" have shown to be problematic. There are jobs in jeopardy with some of these ND's. People have been disciplined or terminated for being less than truthful about their ND's. Often said videos are grainy and inconclusive. To date no one has been able to replicate one of these uncommanded discharges with a post upgrade P320 pistol. When someone does, then SIG will need to address it. Don't be victimized by all the anti-P320 noise. If you don't like P320, then get something else. | |||
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Thanks, that made me laugh ![]() | |||
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Wow, that incident in the store with all weapons holstered is something else. Just being in a little wrestle with a suspect validates what’s other officers have unfortunately said they’ve experienced with just getting out of vehicles. Well, I should’ve watched the rest, that was a gaping hole in the holster to gun around the trigger guard. Yikes. Joe Back in Tx. | |||
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If you haven’t seen his signature line, then you might get another laugh out of it. I’m honestly fascinated by the discussion. I’ve just purchased two new striker fired handguns and this discussion has me really looking at the inner workings of each. | |||
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When you look at how simple the Glock design is and how safe it is, you appreciate the design even more. The little shelf Gaston put below the ejector that the trigger bar sits on is so simple, yet so genius. | |||
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I did, and that's why I laughed ![]() | |||
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I want to believe that most of this is user error or faulty accessories but the governor here just signed a bill (NH House Bill 551) that shields manufacturers from certain liability lawsuits, calling out guns not having magazine disconnects, manual safeties, loaded chamber indicators and bladed triggers. Sig is obviously a huge company up here with a lot of clout. I don’t want to get all conspiratorial but man that sounds like it was worded to protect Sig from litigation. | |||
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It may have come about through dirty lobyists, but I'm totally ok with that law. 1. I don't want the government forcing those things on us, whether it be through legal mandate or threat of civil penalty. In a free country people should have the ability to decide for themselves how much risk they are willing to assume by using a particular product, and individually bear responsibility for the outcome. 2. The threat of lawsuits is probably one of the biggest impediments to a company admitting fault and implementing a fix. When stuff like this happens would we rather see a bunch of CYA and drawn-out litigation that just makes a bunch of lawyers rich, or a fix that makes everybody safer? | |||
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I carry the P320. I've been told my agency will be phasing them out soon probably in favor of a Glock 9mm of some variant. | |||
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' The "MIM Cry" is nonsense. It's about holding tolerance and proper tempering. Most all of the major manufacturers use MIM parts. The tabbed trigger is a legit argument. Most striker fired pistols utilize some form of trigger safety.This message has been edited. Last edited by: DirectDrive, | |||
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