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"The association of our young people with racist acts and a politics of hate must also become unthinkable"

The boys did nothing wrong.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/n...a-trump-hat-isnt-pro

A Kentucky bishop known for pro-homosexual advocacy has published a commentary criticizing the high school boys who marched against abortion in Washington, D.C. for wearing Make America Great Again (MAGA) hats.

Bishop Stowe’s expression of shame comes at an odd moment, days after the boys have been vindicated by extensive video footage showing the minors were targeted by radical, foul-mouthed, aggressive activists.

n Stowe’s opinion piece, the students are once again targeted.

In a thinly veiled way, Bishop Stowe’s article drips with contempt for President Trump, his border protection policies, and his supporters. While implying that pro-life Catholics have become separated from the “basic truth of the dignity of each human person,” he fails to respect the human dignity of the Covington Catholic High School boys at the center of this story.

Bishop Stowe’s opinion piece is far more political and brazenly partisan than the message the boys’ hats – souvenirs of their trip to the nation’s capital – might ever hope to convey.

Nowhere in his commentary does Bishop Stowe condemn the vitriol and threats of murderous violence against the boys. Instead, he uses their misfortune to advance his own political agenda.
 
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The association of our young people with racist acts and a politics of hate must also become unthinkable.

FU, Bishop John Stowe of the Diocese of Lexington! Mad
Injecting your false condemnation and your leftist/socialist/globalist views into this situation is as bad as what the media has done to these decent young men.
You are part of the problem, not the solution. You are the reason many good people have left the Church!
Stowe it! Razz



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I'm hoping this incident will build on Hillary's "Basket of Deplorables" and the Kavenaugh inquisition to shock the fence-sitters into getting their heads screwed on straight.

Forget Phillips and the BHI: the scandal here is how the MSM jumped all over the Kentucky kids, and then many kept on ranting even as the truth came out.

If there is a GoFundMe site for the legal fees of the Covington boys, I will be happy to contribute.


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The Bigotry At The Heart Of The Covington Affair Belongs To The Left

After days of outrage and condemnations, the Covington affair has revealed a disturbing bigotry among far too many media figures and outlets on the left.

John Daniel Davidson

At a few days’ remove from the Covington Catholic High School incident at the Lincoln Memorial, we can be reasonably sure there will be no apologies or corrections forthcoming from the major media outlets that rushed to vilify the students involved. The New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, and dozens of lesser news organizations that condemned the high schoolers from Kentucky have not retracted or walked back their initial, warped narrative: that racist white teens harassed an elderly Native American man.

Nor will there be any public contrition from many individual members of the media who were in the vanguard of the online mob. CNN’s Reza Aslan tweeted an image of one of the boys and asked, “Have you ever seen a more punchable face than this kid’s?” Filmmaker Michael Green tweeted the same image with the comment, “A face like that never changes. This image will define his life. No one need ever forgive him.”

Despite additional video footage that largely exonerated the students, neither of those public figures have deleted their tweets or apologized. Same for James Fallows at The Atlantic, who initially compared the high schoolers to Arkansas segregationists in the 1950s then doubled down, noting that because the kids were white and wearing “Make America Great Again” hats, they must be guilty.

Although some journalists have recanted at length, and others have apologized and deleted their early, emotionally charged reactions, plenty of others have not and will not. They believe that whatever the video footage actually reveals about the incident— specifically, that the elderly Native American man, Nathan Phillips, approached the kids and initiated a confrontation after they had been harassed by a bizarre racist group called the Black Hebrew Israelites—is irrelevant to what they say is the larger point: that “privileged” white teenage boys who wear MAGA hats are racist bigots and deserve no mercy.

The Covington kids are certainly getting none. They and their families have been doxxed, harassed, and threatened for days on end. On Tuesday, Covington Catholic High School was closed over security concerns.

Why the Covington Kids Were Deemed Guilty

It’s hard not to see the parallels here to the Brett Kavanaugh affair, the Rolling Stone-UVA rape hoax, and the Duke Lacrosse scandal. In all these cases, the rush to judgement hinged on the race and perceived privilege of the accused. They were guilty not based on the facts of what happened, they were guilty because of who they were: supposedly privileged white males.

The Covington high schoolers were in this sense the perfect villain for the social justice outrage mob. Not only were they mostly white, male, and Catholic, the entire reason they were in Washington was to attend the annual March for Life. As noted cultural commentator Alyssa Milano put it, “Let’s not forget—this entire event happened because a group of boys went on a school-sanctioned trip to protest against a woman’s right to her own body and reproductive healthcare. It is not debatable that bigotry was at play from the start.”

Milano is right that bigotry was at play from the start, but not quite in the way she means. The manifest, unquestionable bigotry at play is that of media figures and celebrities whose unfiltered contempt and rage bubbled up and spewed forth the instant they saw a smirking white kid in a MAGA hat face-to-face with an old Native American man.

Bigotry is what now animates the unrepentant members of the media like Deadspin’s Laura Wagner, who describes the “visibly aggressive teens” as “draped in racist, misogynist paraphernalia.” Bigotry is what’s behind comments like those of Mollie O’Reilly of Commonweal magazine, who declared, “You don’t let your kid wear a MAGA hat and then act offended when they get taken for a racist.”

These are not the thoughts and feelings of people who want to share a republic and live in peace with their political opponents. If opposing abortion or supporting the president marks you out as a bigot and a racist, then civic comity is impossible, there is nothing left to say, no way to compromise or live and let live. The only thing that’s possible is a zero-sum contest of brute strength. The only thing left to do is silence or destroy your enemy.

The Left Is Not Interested In Sharing a Country

This is the meaning behind another recent social justice pile-on that has received much less news coverage. Karen Pence, wife of Vice President Mike Pence, was denounced last week as the embodiment of hate and intolerance for having the temerity to teach art part-time at a small Christian academy in Northern Virginia called Immanuel Christian School. Pence’s crime is that the K-8 academy’s employment contract contains a provision asserting that marriage is between one man and one woman, “a single, exclusive covenant union as delineated in Scripture.”

The existence of an unremarkable contract that affirms what all orthodox Christians believe was first reported as news by HuffPo. It quickly had the desired effect. CNN’s John King wondered aloud whether the second lady should continue to receive Secret Service protection. Lady Gaga interrupted a set in Las Vegas to aver that the Pences are the “worst representation of what it means to be a Christian.” The Washington Post found a professor to tut-tut about how Immanuel Christian School embraces creationism and therefore can’t lay claim to orthodox beliefs about marriage: “They cannot have their orthodoxy and eat it, too.”

Here we get to the heart of the Covington affair. For the social justice left, including many mainstream media figures, holding conservative views on abortion or marriage automatically makes you a bigot. Even apart from any views you espouse, simply wearing a MAGA hat makes you a bigot. And being a white male, together with any of the above, makes you the worst of bigots.

And you don’t apologize to bigots. You destroy them.

https://thefederalist.com/2019...affair-belongs-left/



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Bishop Foys released a 3rd public statement about the incident. My take: there are some big donors to the Diocese that have ties to CovCath who threatened to withhold their financial support to the Diocese. JMHO, of course, since money rarely comes into play when it comes to religion. Roll Eyes

http://www.rcnky.com/articles/...8Cej7-yzXrjR0PidVAU0
 
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Bishop Foys released a 3rd public statement about the incident. My take: there are some big donors to the Diocese that have ties to CovCath who threatened to withhold their financial support to the Diocese. JMHO, of course, since money rarely comes into play when it comes to religion. Roll Eyes

http://www.rcnky.com/articles/...8Cej7-yzXrjR0PidVAU0


Funny how quickly money changes attitudes




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He should be ashamed of himself.


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It's a little late to be back tracking now bishop.

Fucking ridiculous.



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Bishop Foys released a 3rd public statement about the incident. My take: there are some big donors to the Diocese that have ties to CovCath who threatened to withhold their financial support to the Diocese. JMHO, of course, since money rarely comes into play when it comes to religion. Roll Eyes


Yeah... I'm sure that's probably true. And I'm glad he received some heat from the people of his diocese.
But, still, it's better to do the right thing, even late, than to not do the right thing at all.

Here's the statement:

Diocese of Covington Bishop Roger Foys issued the following letter on Friday:

My dear Covington Catholic Parents,

Since Saturday, 19 January 2019 the events at the Lincoln Memorial following the annual March for Life have gained international attention. Within hours we were being pressured from all sides to make a statement regarding a video clip which purportedly showed students from Covington Catholic High School being disrespectful to Native American Elder Nathan Phillips. Based on what the video clip showed we condemned the actions of students who engaged in the alleged disrespect and promised to investigate the matter.

Since that time other video clips - some of much longer duration – have surfaced. Once these went viral some of the very same people who had put tremendous pressure on us to condemn the actions of the students now wanted a retraction from anyone who had previously issued a statement critical of them. All of this was based again on a video.

Subsequently, there have been death threats to some of the students and their families. The vitriol and hateful comments on some online stories, some of them appearing on websites that purport to be Catholic and pro-life, have been beyond belief and anything but pro-life. We even had a bomb scare at the Curia offices and had to close the Curia and Covington Latin School (across from the Curia) in light of safety issues. People who are not at all familiar with Covington Catholic High School, its students, faculty, staff, administration and/or the Diocese of Covington have felt free to criticize in the harshest terms.

Having issued a second statement that said that we have engaged a third-party investigative team to do a thorough and in depth investigation into the events that transpired on Friday, 18 January, it was our hope that this would ameliorate some of the hate being spewed on the internet and other news media. Unfortunately, this did not happen and people are still lined up on either side.

We are sorry that this situation has caused such disruption in the lives of so many. We apologize to anyone who has been offended in any way by either of our statements which were made with good will based on the information we had. We should not have allowed ourselves to be bullied and pressured into making a statement prematurely, and we take full responsibility for it. I especially apologize to Nicholas Sandmann and his family as well as to all CovCath families who have felt abandoned during this ordeal. Nicholas unfortunately has become the face of these allegations based on video clips. This is not fair. It is not just.

We now await the results of the investigation and it is my hope and expectation that the results will exonerate our students so that they can move forward with their lives. In any event, we will make the final report public once it has been received. In the meantime, we call on all those who continue to spew venom and hate to desist and instead pray for a peaceful resolution to this tragic spectacle.

Mr. Robert Rowe, the Principal of Covington Catholic High School, has also been the target of this venom. He is a fine leader and role model for every student at CovCath and I support him unequivocally. Those calling for his resignation simply do not know him.

This has been a trying time for all of us. I pray that with the grace of God and the goodwill of all involved peace will once again reign in the hearts and minds of our faithful. As for CovCath, we have a spirit that will not die!

Yours devotedly in the Lord,

Most Reverend Roger J. Foys, D.D.



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Okay, that made me laugh.


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It's a little late to be back tracking now bishop.

Fucking ridiculous.


Maybe he can buy an indulgence, or something.


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That’s no apology.
 
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Bishop Foys released a 3rd public statement about the incident. My take: there are some big donors to the Diocese that have ties to CovCath who threatened to withhold their financial support to the Diocese. JMHO, of course, since money rarely comes into play when it comes to religion. Roll Eyes

http://www.rcnky.com/articles/...8Cej7-yzXrjR0PidVAU0


Your take?

You know nothing.

You think he doesn’t care about the school or the children within and their families? Please. One doesn’t get to be a bishop by being a complete asshole throughout his career.

I think it is exactly what it appears to be...that he realizes he screwed up (which he did). But your take is that he can’t apologize for it (which he should have...a few days ago) or if he does, it’s only because donors made him?

So he’s damned if does and damned if he doesn’t?

You drive a tough bargain I’ll give you that much but it may be a good idea to check “your take” before you make the same mistake the media just made....that is a rush to judgement to confirm your existing bias.


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Bishop Foys released a 3rd public statement about the incident.

Perhaps Bishop Foys should have followed his own advice.

“A statement from the Diocese of Covington and Covington Catholic High School”
Diocese of Covington, Current webpage.
“We will have no further statements until the investigation is complete.”



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Haha, eww.
 
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Yep His Corn Holiness of Kentucky is not new to this game.

Diocese of Lexington: Our political choices should express our values, October 31, 2018

Cliff Notes version, see link above for full text if you desire.

“It seems as though we have been in campaign season for the current midterm elections since the day after the November 2016 vote. We are exposed once again to a barrage of mudslinging, deceptive and distorted partisan commercials, and the endless opinions of pundits telling us what will happen and what it will mean.”

“There must be a way to lead the country to peace and prosperity without dominating and demeaning every other nation and people.”

“Too often I hear complaints that the Church should not be involved in politics.”

“We have worked to change attitudes and laws that deny the sanctity of human life and that struggle goes on. Yet, when that issue becomes the only one considered, we have too often ended up overlooking other injustices and even contributing to the destruction of the planet.”

“During this much-hyped midterm election, as we decide how to cast our vote, we should be concerned about the consequences of climate change, which continues to accelerate even while some powerful few deny its existence and reverse advances in ecological policies. We should also be mindful of the refusal to admit our share of suffering refugees to the nation even though we have the means and ability to do so. The freedom of religion which we cherish and defend must apply also to Muslims escaping violence, war and starvation just as it applies to people of our faith.”

“We should remember the cruelty of a policy that separated children from their parents, as families fled violence and hunger in their homelands. The long-standing tradition represented by Lady Liberty in New York’s harbor is reduced to meaninglessness by the refusal to create just and fair immigration policies that provide for family unity,...”

“Our Church teaches that the economy is meant to serve people, not people to serve the economy. Do our current tax policies really support that when reductions of support services are proposed to pay for tax cuts which disproportionately benefit the wealthy?”

“As a shepherd and believer in the Good News of Jesus Christ, I must resist political leaders that are demeaning to women, use racist and denigrating language to refer to entire nations of God’s people, incite division and encourage violence. We, as members of Christ’s body, insist that all people must be treated with the respect their human dignity requires. Whatever we decide individually this election cycle, collectively we must be a voice for civility, for respectful dialogue and debate, for the protection of the vulnerable.”

Oh! And there is more.
Bishop Stowe's Statement on Dallas

“ Our hearts are also moved and our prayers raised to heaven for the families of the Black individuals killed by police in Louisiana and Minnesota.“

“How much more killing must we witness before sensibly and rationally addressing the prevalence of guns, the inequalities in access to justice, and the violence found in human hearts.”

Bishop Stowe's Statement on the Tragedy in Orlando

“Along with our prayers, we must also engage in the important work of contributing to a less violent, specifically a less gun-violent society.”



“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
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"The association of our young people with racist acts and a politics of hate must also become unthinkable"....


He probably wants to spank them. In private.



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The politics of this church are awful. Those kids deserve leadership, support, and guidance.





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Haha, eww.



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Your take?

You know nothing.

You think he doesn’t care about the school or the children within and their families? Please. One doesn’t get to be a bishop by being a complete asshole throughout his career.

I think it is exactly what it appears to be...that he realizes he screwed up (which he did). But your take is that he can’t apologize for it (which he should have...a few days ago) or if he does, it’s only because donors made him?

So he’s damned if does and damned if he doesn’t?

You drive a tough bargain I’ll give you that much but it may be a good idea to check “your take” before you make the same mistake the media just made....that is a rush to judgement to confirm your existing bias.



Yes, sir, that is my "take" or opinion on the situation. You may disagree with it, but that does not invalidate it or make it any less valid. You say I "know nothing". That is not true. I may not know everything, but I know more than nothing. Unless you recently moved to Alabama from this area, I respectfully suggest I probably know more about it than you.

I do not know everything, but my opinion is relatively well informed. I won't elaborate in detail what informs my opinion unless required/requested, but I will tell you that I personally know and/or have met some of the people involved. I don't claim to know the mind of the bishop or claim to know any conversations between him and his advisors. I do know a number of CovCath grads and/or supporters, and I am aware of some of their efforts to correct the situation. Perhaps those efforts did not make the bishop change his mind, and in prayerful reconsideration he changed his mind of his own volition. Then again, perhaps some of those behind the scenes efforts involved $$ and helped motivate the bishop. But again, I don't have direct knowledge, so I cannot claim it.

I will admit I am biased against the bishop based upon some knowledge and experience which was only lightly touched upon in a previous post. However, I did not rush to judgement as you suggest. I have watched these events of the past week unfold at close hand. I have not had to deal directly with the issues but have had to deal with a number of tangential issues that the situation has spawned.

Again, I am sorry if my opinion is in contrast with yours and/or I have offended you. I am not sorry, though, and will not apologize for holding those opinions. You are entitled to yours as I am entitled to mine. That is one of the many things that makes this country great.
 
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