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In 1992, Congress ruled that “all Government records concerning the assassination of President John F. Kennedy . . . should be eventually disclosed to enable the public to become fully informed about the history surrounding the assassination,” the missive said.

Biden delays release of JFK assassination records, blaming COVID-19 pandemic

https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/...sassination-records/

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Many people have already made up their minds about how it happened and who was responsible, and releasing the official government documents really won’t change that. Those who believe one way will look to the documents as validation. Those who believe something different will discount the documents as just another part of a cover up.

The real truth is probably already out there, and likely has been a while, but I don’t think there will ever be a “truth” that everyone will accept.
 
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The real truth is probably already out there...
There's no "probably" about it.

Occam's Razor

One man with a rifle, no conspiracy. End of story. Oh, how boring. The truth does seem boring when surrounded by fantasies.

I'm not going to go back into all of this again, but here's a sample:

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...0022174?r=3820042174

That thread will lead you to another thread.

Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. There was never any conspiracy. Jack Ruby was even more nuts than Oswald.
 
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Seems like, every 6 months or so, these tabloids recycle the tired old topic again. Damn, people, go find some new materials. It's not that hard. Roll Eyes


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Oswald, acting alone (save for incidental support, for example his spouse), used an Italian 6.5×52mm Carcano Model 38 infantry carbine equipped with an Ordnance Optics 4×18 telescopic sight and loaded with Western Cartridge Co. ammunition with a 160-grain round nose bullet to shoot fatally President Kennedy and wounding Governor Connally.

In Dealy Plaza I stood looking back up toward the former School Book Depository and I realized it wasn't that hard of a shot. That is when I accepted the idea Oswald acted alone.





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Young Alec Baldwin watching the motorcade going by playing with a supposed toy gun.... Big Grin
 
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Young Alec Baldwin watching the motorcade going by playing with a supposed toy gun.... Big Grin


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I originally posted this discussion last year.
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How unskilled shooters with poor rifles get hits when marksmen can’t.

Something that often comes up in discussions about shootings is “How could he have done that? He was a poor shot using a crappy gun, and even skilled marksmen have never been able to duplicate his feat.” It’s a question that’s been asked over and over for decades, and I read the same statement just recently in a book by a former military sniper who was convinced that his inability to accomplish the same thing meant that the official explanation of an assassination must be incorrect.

How are such things possible? Glad you asked:

For this discussion, assume we have two rifles, one that’s extremely precise and accurate*, and is capable of delivering 0.2 minute of angle shot groups centered on the point of aim every time it’s used. The other rifle is a much less precise 3 MOA rifle. We also have two shooters, one (the marksman) who is highly skilled and aims the gun at exactly the same place every time, and the other who doesn’t. Finally, we have our target which is a 4 inch circle located 100 yards from the shooters.

* (Precision is the ability to shoot small groups; accuracy is hitting the target.)

The below illustration shows the hits that might be achieved by the skilled marksman using the two rifles (the illustrations are not exactly to scale; they are to demonstrate the points, not be used for precise measurements). Each × represents a bullet hit. The five shot group on the left that’s aimed at the center of the target is with the 0.2 MOA rifle; the one on the right is a possible group fired with the 3 MOA rifle. Note that all shots with either rifle hit the 4 inch target, and therefore although only the first rifle is precise, both are accurate by my definition.



The next illustration shows a couple of possible groups fired with the same two rifles but when the rifles are fired with the point of aim outside the targets, or about 2.5 inches from their centers.



Now all the shots with the precise rifle will miss. The reasons for the point of aim to be outside the target could be that the shooter was not skilled; the circumstances of the shot made precise aiming impossible, such as with a moving, partially obscured target; or if there was some combination of the two. On the other hand, shots with the imprecise rifle and the same offset point of aim might hit the target due to chance and the larger dispersion of its shots.

Another possibility that is seldom, if ever, discussed is that the rifle involved is relatively precise—let’s say it and the ammunition are a 2 MOA combination, but that the sight is really poorly zeroed and the center of that 2-inch group at 100 yards is 8 inches from the point of aim. A skilled marksman who kept aiming at the center of a 4 inch target would never hit closer than 5 inches from the target. A poor shot, however, whose point of aim was wandering over a large circle might get at hit by chance. In one famous incident the shooter’s first (or possibly second) point of aim was so bad that the shot missed an entire car at less than 100 yards.

The inability of highly skilled shooters using an atrocious rifle and sight to achieve a killing hit on a moving head at 80 to 100 yards does not prove that a moderately skilled assassin could not have accomplished the feat by simple chance—good luck for him, and bad luck for the victim.

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Oswald, acting alone (save for incidental support, for example his spouse), used an Italian 6.5×52mm Carcano Model 38 infantry carbine equipped with an Ordnance Optics 4×18 telescopic sight and loaded with Western Cartridge Co. ammunition with a 160-grain round nose bullet to shoot fatally President Kennedy and wounding Governor Connally.

In Dealy Plaza I stood looking back up toward the former School Book Depository and I realized it wasn't that hard of a shot. That is when I accepted the idea Oswald acted alone.


I never was a conspiracy type but I was in Dallas in the mid 90's with some time to kill and so I visited the museum there. You can stand in the window right next to where he fired the shots.
It wasn't that hard.


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Here is a warning from JFK talking about a "secret society" that has infiltrated the country.
What a conspiracy theorist. Big Grin



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Oswald, acting alone (save for incidental support, for example his spouse), used an Italian 6.5×52mm Carcano Model 38 infantry carbine equipped with an Ordnance Optics 4×18 telescopic sight and loaded with Western Cartridge Co. ammunition with a 160-grain round nose bullet to shoot fatally President Kennedy and wounding Governor Connally.

In Dealy Plaza I stood looking back up toward the former School Book Depository and I realized it wasn't that hard of a shot. That is when I accepted the idea Oswald acted alone.


I never was a conspiracy type but I was in Dallas in the mid 90's with some time to kill and so I visited the museum there. You can stand in the window right next to where he fired the shots.
It wasn't that hard.


It really worked out for him with that last-minute change in route.


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A program I saw recently detailed the circumstances that made the assassination possible. That was of iterest. Lots of bungling by the Secret Service, JFK and the media. I never knew about the guy who drove Oswald to work and how he was hassled and harassed by local law enforcement and the FBI for a long time. In a recent interview he still looked traumatized.
 
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This thread itself is the perfect example of why you will never know.
 
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Can we recognize truth when we see it? There are so many theories and so little trust in authority that we could be staring at the the full story and not have confidence of its veracity.



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Can we recognize truth when we see it?
Yes, unless you let the pretty fantasies distract you, and if you want to know the truth, and not just some really cool story with spies'n shit.
 
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There's no "probably" about it.

Occam's Razor

One man with a rifle, no conspiracy. End of story. Oh, how boring. The truth does seem boring when surrounded by fantasies.

I'm not going to go back into all of this again, but here's a sample:

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...0022174?r=3820042174

That thread will lead you to another thread.

Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. There was never any conspiracy. Jack Ruby was even more nuts than Oswald.


What he said. From Arlen Specter using string in the initial investigation to more recent investigations using lasers and duplicating as closely as possible the make, caliber and ammunition used, etc it has been proven again and again what transpired that day. Benjamin Franklin told us that for three people to keep a secret, two of them will have to be dead. I watched a program where someone explained that people couldn’t (wouldn’t?) accept what had happened due to the opinion they held of JFK, they had placed him in a unrealistically high position and he was going to be doing monumental things, so they believed, so it had to be equally monumental forces in play and simply won’t accept anything else, it just doesn’t fit with their narrative, however flawed that may be.


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It was the cigarette smoking man.



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IF there are any unseen documents , there is no valid reason to keep them from the public eye . Regardless of how you believe , you can't justify anything being kept hidden . Put it out there .
 
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