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Okay, apparently it was not one of his last words. However from what I can determine he did say it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGNs4Rsu9EQ

I am not a conspiracy theorist. However I understand very well how evil persons try to stage an event. Therefore I have less than complete faith in the official story.


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Okay, apparently it was not one of his last words. However from what I can determine he did say it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGNs4Rsu9EQ
You are really trying my patience. Here's what you said earlier in this thread:
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Some of Oswald's last words were "I am not a patsy".
That is NOT what Oswald said. He said "I'm just a patsy!" He said this as the police were pulling him out of the room after they brought him in for the press to see and to question briefly.

Do you need any further clarification on this? Look, it's clear you haven't researched this incident and it's clear you think there was a conspiracy. That makes you like thousands of other uninformed conspiracy theorists. The irony of your pounding this point is that what you claim he said doesn't support a conspiracy theory, and what he actually did say, does support a conspiracy. However, there is and was no conspiracy. Oswald was just- as usual- talking out of his ass, making grandiose, false statements. He was a little man who did something which changed history, and he did all of it by himself, as hard as that is for you to believe. There is no actual evidence to support your position. All there is, is every kind of paranoid conspiracy theory which could be thought up, and people taking meaningless facts and twisting them into the shape of something which never existed.
 
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The "I am NOT a patsy", that was a typo on my part.

I agree that 99.9% of the evidence points to Oswald and he alone. However, in a presidential assassination, I do not trust "coincidences".

It has been reported that a number of SS agents were drinking late the night before, in a bar that was owned by a friend of Jack Ruby's. If this is true, I would be suspicious of this coincidence as well.


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Enough. What you actually know about this incident couldn't fill a thimble.
 
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I’m quite satisfied by the evidence that Oswald did the shooting, by himself, in the Texas School Book Depository. I think what a lot of people, myself included, find interesting are all of the other weird, potentially illegal things that were occurring around this time that were uncovered by the assassination investigation, but had absolutely nothing to do with the assassination. That’s kind of fascination that I have. While the assassination turned out not to be a conspiracy, there definitely seemed to be some other conspiracies underfoot to do some very shady shit. To kind of underscore my point that these were some very complicated and concerning times, I think of G. Gordon Liddy. He was an intelligent man, a former military officer, attorney, former FBI and prosecutor, and he was absolutely ready to murder Jack Anderson because Richard Nixon wanted rid of Anderson. It was clear that action was wrong, yet there was a plan underway to murder in support of Nixon. To me the JFK assassination investigation revealed a lot of similarly disturbing and hostile actions. I find that interesting, but I think many people hang onto those unrelated events as their proof of a conspiracy in the assassination.



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If this is true, I would be suspicious of this coincidence as well.

You gravitate and latch onto the conspiracy theories. Look at your language, "If this is true..." You premise your conclusion on a conditional statement. Why don't you try to do a little research, inform yourself, and then draw conclusions based on actual facts? It's exhausting trying to convince people like you with blinders on.



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Disregard. I realized that that post must just be a joke to see who could be sucked into replying to it.

I would normally just delete the response, but I will leave this here to admit that you got me.

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I watched that Hulu miniseries 11.22.63 a few months ago and it seemed to imply that Oswald was just a communism-obsessed nutjob who acted alone.


 
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That's like implying the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

Wouldn't want to upset the conspiracy crowd with facts and the trurh.
 
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The simplest explanation is likely what happened. …..absent the magic loogie, of course.



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In Dealy Plaza I stood looking back up toward the former School Book Depository and I realized it wasn't that hard of a shot.


I thought the exact same thing when I visited Dealy Plaza.

It also struck me just how small and close everything was in real life.
It's one thing to read books and see photographs and video, but quite another where you're actually there.

I even commented to my co-worker who was with me something akin to "Oh he totally could have made that shot."


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The simplest explanation is likely what happened. …..absent the magic loogie, of course.
What are you talking about?
 
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Seinfeld reference. I got it...



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Congratulations

darthfuster, what are you talking about?

..and while I'm at it:

cas, you're actually going to ignore my question? You're going to post some vague shit in this thread and then disappear? You know better than to pull a stunt like that.
 
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Congratulations

darthfuster, what are you talking about?

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It is a Seinfeld reference…the show does a reenactment of Kevin Costner’s “Magic Bullet” demonstration…starts at 1:20 if you want to get to the meat…



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Can you guys not understand I'm asking the poster? When I ask a member a question, I want to hear only from that member.

I know the reference, very well, as well as anyone here. You don't understand why I'm asking.

There are veiled references in this thread. Have a little faith that I know what I'm doing.
 
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I'm in the "not a zebra" camp with this set of hoofbeats. I think Oswald was alone in this.

That said, I don't think we'll ever KNOW what happened, mostly because we don't know if we can trust the source of any piece of information. The best we can do is examine each bit of data on our own, evaluate its veracity and source, and put together our own individual picture of the event.

Meanwhile, it's an intriguing puzzle (or an unhealing scab, depending on your view).

Interesting comparisons against our time can be made. For instance, the data collection of the event was incredibly spotty, compared to what we're used to. If it happened today, some gomer would have a phone-video of the shooting posted on Boobtube before Jackie reached the trunk of the limo.

Conversely, similarities to today can be seen: no two eyewitness accounts seem to match. That must be a universal constant.


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The simplest explanation is likely what happened. …..absent the magic loogie, of course.
What are you talking about?


Paraphrase of Occam’s razor and a Seinfeld reference.



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I'm in the "not a zebra" camp with this set of hoofbeats. I think Oswald was alone in this.

That said, I don't think we'll ever KNOW what happened, mostly because we don't know if we can trust the source of any piece of information.
You contradict yourself. Emphasizing the word "know" means you want to know to an absolute certainty. It's not possible. It is not possible for you or anyone- not even Oswald himself if he was still alive or the people involved in the aftermath- to know everything to a certainty. This extends to everything in this life, so, applying what you are saying here in a broad sense, you must not know anything, about anything. That's preposterous. A person would be unable to function in this world if they did not possess the ability to triage the evidence before their eyes and discern truth.

We do "know" what happened. Lee Harvey Oswald made a failed assassination attempt in April, 1963, and when the opportunity arose in November, 1963 to kill a far bigger target, he took it.

Jack Ruby, mentally ill and obsessed with the assassination, walked up the ramp to the police garage two days later and put a .38 slug in Oswald. There was no connection, no shady anything, no mob involvement, no CIA plot, no Mafia, no Cuba, no Soviets, nothing.

Every single piece of evidence- even the pure fabrications which are not evidence at all- has been examined for nearly six decades, from every conceivable possible angle. There was no grassy knoll shooter, there was no government conspiracy. Lee Harvey Oswald perched himself in that window and took three shots, the first of which was a miss by a country mile. He then settled in and hit his target.

In all these decades, no other shooter has been revealed, and the reason for this is, there was no other shooter. You really can trust your eyes and the evidence, as hard as that is to believe, and as boring as it is.

I started looking at the Kennedy assassination in the 1970s, and when I started out, I was sure there was a conspiracy behind it. It took about 15 years of reading and studying and thinking about it, and I finally came to realize that this incident is what it seems. One man with a rifle changed history, and there will never be any actual evidence to the contrary, for the very simple reason that there is no such evidence, and there is no such evidence because only one man did this thing.
 
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