Originally posted by erj_pilot: ^^^^^^ I have a solution that will cure that nausea. Just sayin’……
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Originally posted by ibanda: So Hamlin woke up in the hospital and wanted to know who won the game. Apparently it was important to him!
I don't believe that for a milli-second.
Why not? I wouldn't be surprised in the least.
As for the potential that the experimental Wu Flu "vaccines" may have been the cause...
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Originally posted by DonDraper: You're not very smart if you are blaming the covid shots for this. Dumb. Really dumb. Beyond ignorant.
I would argue one is not very smart if they discount the possibility out-of-hand:
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More than 270 sudden deaths in athletes linked to covid-19 vaccine "It's not normal for so many athletes, especially young athletes, to suffer cardiac arrests," said Dr. Peter McCullough.
SABRINA MARTIN January 6, 2023
The number of young athletes dying of cardiac arrest seems to have increased following the massive vaccination campaigns against covid-19.
Experts have reviewed recent documents and noted that between 2021 and 2022 alone, at least 1,616 cases of cardiac arrest of vaccinated athletes have been recorded, of which 1,114 were fatal. Of that number of deaths, 279 were U.S. athletes.
These figures are surprising considering that the risk of cardiac arrest in athletes is lower compared to those who do not exercise. In fact, according to a 2016 study, people who don't play sports are 29 times more likely to suffer a sudden death than athletes.
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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL: I am certain they have checked for preexisting heart conditions including myocarditis.
I'm sure they did. Now, whether they'd admit to whether or not it was experimental "vaccine" related is another question. But that wasn't the specific point I was addressing. My comments were more to suggest it's irrational to dismiss the possibility entirely, when recent events suggest there may be a correlation.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
m sure they did. Now, whether they'd admit to whether or not it was experimental "vaccine" related is another question. But that wasn't the specific point I was addressing. My comments were more to suggest it's irrational to dismiss the possibility entirely, when recent events suggest there may be a correlation.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Of course that goes without saying. You see these issues in healthcare all the time, particularly in the ER where certain conditions are dismissed out of hand.
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Para…you forgot to include the part where everyone holds hands and sings “I’d like to teach the world to sing, and furnish it with love…”
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Leave it to the NFL to encourage and perpetuate a possible tragedy into a spectacle.
Over at friend's house, he's got a game on and right after the national anthem they announce everyone to celebrate Damar's recovery, thank a first responder. Meanwhile, players not suited-up and staff on sideline are wearing custom "love for Damar' t-shirts, custom cleats and then there's the fans with their various signs.
I'm sure Damar is appreciative of the attention however, did anybody in the NFL consider a bit of moderation, maybe some taste & poise for the situation? ...this is a pathetic display, the culture that perpetuates this....smh
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Originally posted by DonDraper: You're not very smart if you are blaming the covid shots for this. Dumb. Really dumb. Beyond ignorant.
Oh, well now that you've weighed in on it, we all know what the smart guy answer is: Covid shots could not have caused this. No way, no how. Glad we got that one ironed out, we can lock the three year thread now that you've definitively stated the facts on this matter.
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Originally posted by DonDraper: You're not very smart if you are blaming the covid shots for this. Dumb. Really dumb. Beyond ignorant.
Oh, well now that you've weighed in on it, we all know what the smart guy answer is: Covid shots could not have caused this. No way, no how. Glad we got that one ironed out, we can lock the three year thread now that you've definitively stated the facts on this matter.
Show me ONE NFL athlete who has based on medical evidence, dropped dead due to the covid "shot". Just one. Otherwise, get your ass back to the real world and do it fast.
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Originally posted by DonDraper: You're not very smart if you are blaming the covid shots for this. Dumb. Really dumb. Beyond ignorant.
Oh, well now that you've weighed in on it, we all know what the smart guy answer is: Covid shots could not have caused this. No way, no how. Glad we got that one ironed out, we can lock the three year thread now that you've definitively stated the facts on this matter.
Show me ONE NFL athlete who has based on medical evidence, dropped dead due to the covid "shot". Just one. Otherwise, get your ass back to the real world and do it fast.
While your post was not directed at me, my response is to ask how many objective robust investigations have been done into the cause of young healthy suddenly dead people? How many of these have been done on serious athletes (professional, college, or amateurs) who either died or had cardiac events?
Some studies have been done in relevant areas. Very high numbers of damaged hearts have been found in the vaccinated, whereas not found in those who did not have a jab and/or who were infected by the virus itself. Such damage has been found to be very much age stratified, being much more prevalent in young adult males (mid teens to about 35 yrs old). A smattering of studies have been done on deceased specifically to determine if the jab was a factor in their deaths, and the answer is yes.
The incidence of excess deaths is clearly documented as a real phenomenon, not related to the virus itself, and very clearly associated with the timing of jabs.
To summarize, there is a lot of actual science showing heart damage caused by jabs but not by the virus, and those forms of damage are consistent with sudden death.
Until serious impartial investigation is done into the cause of all these excess deaths of otherwise healthy adults, nobody including you can say this incident or any other is unlikely to be associated with the jabs.
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Originally posted by DonDraper: Otherwise, get your ass back to the real world and do it fast.
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Not surprised at their conduct. I quit these bums when they couldn’t bring themselves to stand up for the country, her song or flag. So the only thing I could do is say fuck ya & not watch.
Looks like I haven’t missed anything good.
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By the way, according to Scientific American, Hamlin’s injury is racist. Because of course it is. You know, when black people are underrepresented it’s racist, when they are over-represented it’s racist. Just like when white people move into a neighborhood it’s racist, and when white people move out of a neighborhood it’s racist.
Trust the scientists people. They spew bullshit like this.
Millions of people watched as Damar Hamlin, a 24-year-old player in the National Football League (NFL), executed a seemingly routine tackle during a highly anticipated Monday Night Football game. Immediately after, Hamlin rose to his feet and then collapsed. Players from his team, the Buffalo Bills, and the opposing team, the Cincinnati Bengals, created a tight huddle around him on the field as medical personnel tried to revive him. We learned the next day that Hamlin suffered a cardiac arrest; his heart had suddenly stopped working.
This scene was horrific for both its regularity and its exceptionality. Matt Gutman of ABC tweeted as much: “The scariest part of this is that the hit was in fact not scary. It looked terrifyingly ordinary.” The ordinariness of men running into each other at full speed represents a normalized—even rationalized—violence that is routine to this American game.
This ordinary violence has always riddled the sport and it affects all players. But Black players are disproportionately affected. While Black men are severely underrepresented in positions of power across football organizations, such as coaching and management, they are overrepresented on the gridiron. Non-white players account for 70 percent of the NFL; nearly half of all Division I college football players are Black. Further, through a process called racial stacking, coaches racially segregate athletes by playing position. These demographic discrepancies place Black athletes at a higher risk during play.
As a cultural anthropologist, I’ve spent the last decade learning how Black college football players navigate the exploitation, racism, and anti-Blackness that are fundamental to its current system. I know it’s not new to highlight the inherent violence of American football. This sport requires exceptional athletes, who are otherwise ordinary men, to perform extraordinary feats on the field. We liken these men to gladiators and warriors. The leagues, organizations, teams, coaches, spectators, and fans who benefit from their performance expect them to tough it out when they get hurt and applaud them when they play through these injuries.
Football is a spectacle where excessive violence is mundane, because hits that cause injuries are a constant occurrence, and spectators are desensitized to it. Consumers of the sport assume players will withstand any bodily affront, so they are shocked when a player’s physical limits are exceeded, often on very public stages. People with a vested interest in professional football rationalize excessive violence in this structured space, as well as the ones that encompass college, high school and peewee play, all because they assume that rules, equipment, and regulations exist to prevent death. But this is false protection. While this form of entertainment has been normalized, Hamlin’s injury demonstrates that ordinary violence has potentially deadly consequences, and highlights how Black men’s athletic labor sustains this brutal system.
On these playing fields, ones that sociologist Billy Hawkins would argue are never theoretically far from plantation fields, financial stakeholders value Black bodies for their productive potential and physical prowess. The league encourages and facilitates rigorous training and disciplining so players can execute seemingly impossible corporeal demands, all in the service of entertainment, money-making, and insatiable fandom. In the words of sociologist and activist Harry Edwards, “like a piece of equipment, the black athlete is used.” While I am not aware of research that compares the rate of injury between Black and white football players, heatstrokes, ACL and labrum tears, ankle sprains, bone breaks, and concussions are just a few of the consequences of how these bodies are used.
The NFL gains both culturally and financially from Black athletic performance. It is the most popular sports league in the United States andthe most valuable professional sports league in the world. It is also a league that has exploited its Black players for decades. League officials admitted to using race norming—the assumption that Black players have lower baseline cognitive function than white players and suffer less from concussion—in settlements for concussion-related injuries. A former head coach, Brian Flores, has sued the league for racial discrimination in hiring. The NFL’s success and popularity should never be disentangled from its persistent anti-Black practices.
Despite the dismissive arguments of critics that high salaries are payment enough for the injuries that NFL players will likely experience, athletes at other levels don’t have this luxury. Public health scholar Kathleen Bachynski details the risks that have always existed in youth tackle football—but professional play cannot be disconnected from college play since this is where professional talent is cultivated. The college system thrives on unpaid athletes’ labor through a power dynamic that sociologist Erin Hatton terms “status coercion,” as coaches manipulate and exploit players’ work to extract value that ultimately leads to revenue for almost every entity involved, except for players themselves. College players suffer the same injuries as professionals, some of which end careers before they even begin. Yet, there is often little support to help players imagine themselves outside of their athletic identities and to cultivate alternative careers.
The most recent and exaggerated example occurred in fall 2020, during the first season of play during the COVID-19 pandemic. Beginning in March 2020, there were almost no students on campus, classes shifted to virtual formats, and social distancing became common practice. However, teams and conferences decided football play would continue. Players in all five major Division I conferences risked their health with an unpredictable and sometimes deadly virus to play a high-contact sport in almost empty stadiums to satisfy their universities, as well as television fans and the broadcasters who capitalize off their viewership. If those players hadn’t taken the field, athletic departments could’ve lost at least $4.1 billion in revenue.
In a way that is reminiscent of Black feminist scholar Hortense Spillers’ theorization of flesh, these situations demonstrate how organizations, administrators and fans dismiss each player’s personhood, strip them of their humanity and reduce them to mere bodies. No football athlete deserves this treatment. They should not be expected to play after enduring, experiencing and witnessing bodily traumas. Further, to dismiss the almost certain breaking down of their bodies as just part of the game is a process of objectification and commodification that prioritizes the player over the person in a way that Black feminist scholar bell hooks says calls to mind “the history of slavery and the plantation economy.” The anti-Blackness of the system is inescapable.
Despite the severity of Hamlin’s injury, the current NFL season will continue. The game between the Bills and the Bengals has officially been canceled, and the playoffs will be modified, but predictably, the Super Bowl in February will be followed by the scouting combine in March, the draft in April, and team training camps during the summer, all to prepare for the season to begin again in the fall. But we can’t forget that without players themselves, the game cannot persist. The elaborate infrastructure of the entire system relies upon their continued participation. If we expect these quotidian gladiators to return to the field, structural shifts must occur so they are actually cared for in a way that respects their humanity, as men who just happen to play the game of football exceptionally well.
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Or at least have their writers limit their uptake of soy based products. Maybe The View can have him on as a guest…
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Originally posted by Pale Horse: By the way, according to Scientific American, Hamlin’s injury is racist. Because of course it is. You know, when black people are underrepresented it’s racist, when they are over-represented it’s racist. Just like when white people move into a neighborhood it’s racist, and when white people move out of a neighborhood it’s racist.
That's right. The correct answer is that there is no correct answer. Whatever it takes, you're guilty and that's that.
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Originally posted by DonDraper: You're not very smart if you are blaming the covid shots for this. Dumb. Really dumb. Beyond ignorant.
Oh, well now that you've weighed in on it, we all know what the smart guy answer is: Covid shots could not have caused this. No way, no how. Glad we got that one ironed out, we can lock the three year thread now that you've definitively stated the facts on this matter.
Show me ONE NFL athlete who has based on medical evidence, dropped dead due to the covid "shot". Just one. Otherwise, get your ass back to the real world and do it fast.
While your post was not directed at me, my response is to ask how many objective robust investigations have been done into the cause of young healthy suddenly dead people? How many of these have been done on serious athletes (professional, college, or amateurs) who either died or had cardiac events?
Some studies have been done in relevant areas. Very high numbers of damaged hearts have been found in the vaccinated, whereas not found in those who did not have a jab and/or who were infected by the virus itself. Such damage has been found to be very much age stratified, being much more prevalent in young adult males (mid teens to about 35 yrs old). A smattering of studies have been done on deceased specifically to determine if the jab was a factor in their deaths, and the answer is yes.
The incidence of excess deaths is clearly documented as a real phenomenon, not related to the virus itself, and very clearly associated with the timing of jabs.
To summarize, there is a lot of actual science showing heart damage caused by jabs but not by the virus, and those forms of damage are consistent with sudden death.
Until serious impartial investigation is done into the cause of all these excess deaths of otherwise healthy adults, nobody including you can say this incident or any other is unlikely to be associated with the jabs.
If I might add, several countries have recommended that young adult males do not get a covid "vaccination". What do they know?
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