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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:
You're not very smart if you are blaming the covid shots for this. Dumb. Really dumb. Beyond ignorant.

Oh, well now that you've weighed in on it, we all know what the smart guy answer is: Covid shots could not have caused this. No way, no how. Glad we got that one ironed out, we can lock the three year thread now that you've definitively stated the facts on this matter.

Show me ONE NFL athlete who has based on medical evidence, dropped dead due to the covid "shot". Just one. Otherwise, get your ass back to the real world and do it fast.

While your post was not directed at me, my response is to ask how many objective robust investigations have been done into the cause of young healthy suddenly dead people? How many of these have been done on serious athletes (professional, college, or amateurs) who either died or had cardiac events?

Some studies have been done in relevant areas. Very high numbers of damaged hearts have been found in the vaccinated, whereas not found in those who did not have a jab and/or who were infected by the virus itself. Such damage has been found to be very much age stratified, being much more prevalent in young adult males (mid teens to about 35 yrs old). A smattering of studies have been done on deceased specifically to determine if the jab was a factor in their deaths, and the answer is yes.

The incidence of excess deaths is clearly documented as a real phenomenon, not related to the virus itself, and very clearly associated with the timing of jabs.

To summarize, there is a lot of actual science showing heart damage caused by jabs but not by the virus, and those forms of damage are consistent with sudden death.

Until serious impartial investigation is done into the cause of all these excess deaths of otherwise healthy adults, nobody including you can say this incident or any other is unlikely to be associated with the jabs.

My response was a reply to someone actually suggesting that this incident (which clearly looks to be due to the direct hit to the chest - but without his medical history in front of me, can't say for sure), plus the fact that some retired NFL player who hasn't been on the field in nine years died recently, PLUS Bob Marley's grandson (who actually died from AN ASTHMA ATTACK, not to mention who even knows if they received any shot), and a random ABC executive who had a heart attack - were all due to "the jab". That is completely dumb, and I don't know any other way to state it. Don't think for a minute that I'm some pro-"vaccine" type of person who has any trust in the shot. I simply live in a place called reality where you're going to have to show me some medical evidence to back up his claims. The vast majority of these athletes have been "vaccinated" and they simply aren't dropping like flies.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:
Otherwise, get your ass back to the real world and do it fast.

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And you feel that that "film" is based on solid facts and medical evidence? Got it.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:
And you feel that that "film" is based on solid facts and medical evidence? Got it.

And you're the arbiter of what are solid facts and evidence?

Give me a motherfucking break.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:
You're not very smart if you are blaming the covid shots for this. Dumb. Really dumb. Beyond ignorant.

Oh, well now that you've weighed in on it, we all know what the smart guy answer is: Covid shots could not have caused this. No way, no how. Glad we got that one ironed out, we can lock the three year thread now that you've definitively stated the facts on this matter.

Show me ONE NFL athlete who has based on medical evidence, dropped dead due to the covid "shot". Just one. Otherwise, get your ass back to the real world and do it fast.

In the above quotes, there are definitive statements backed up by nothing insulting the intelligence and sanity of forumgoers, telling us to shut up and accept what we're being told... and there are statements merely questioning what we've been told. This, right here, is the whole fucking problem with the past three years and all this Covid bullshit. Right here. Because I suspected there might be a problem with the solution they've been pushing, I decided to abstain and sit back and observe, and holy shit, and year and a half into the big push, healthy young guys around my age are dying all over fucking place with zero explanation. Oh, but it's organ damage from Covid people are saying - and me, the guy who was a walking risk factor with multiple organs already shutting down before getting Covid several times is still alive and going strong while guys like Uche Nwaneri who said guys like me should be jailed for wanting to wait and see are dropping fucking dead. Oh, but Comotio Cordis blah blah, and there's multiple montages out there of healthy young athletes stroking out in the middle of their sport. Whatever.

No, I think I'll decline to go on a snipe hunt for the one guy, I'm content to sit back and watch the bigger picture unfold before my eyes. Reality. Gimme a fucking break.

Here, a random first search result video from a year ago for your viewing enjoyment. You'll have to sign in to watch it because "The following content has been identified by the YouTube community as inappropriate or offensive to some audiences" :

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

My response was a reply to someone actually suggesting that this incident (which clearly looks to be due to the direct hit to the chest - but without his medical history in front of me, can't say for sure), plus the fact that some retired NFL player who hasn't been on the field in nine years died recently, PLUS Bob Marley's grandson (who actually died from AN ASTHMA ATTACK, not to mention who even knows if they received any shot), and a random ABC executive who had a heart attack - were all due to "the jab". That is completely dumb, and I don't know any other way to state it. Don't think for a minute that I'm some pro-"vaccine" type of person who has any trust in the shot. I simply live in a place called reality where you're going to have to show me some medical evidence to back up his claims. The vast majority of these athletes have been "vaccinated" and they simply aren't dropping like flies.

There are actual real accredited doctors, including cardiologists, who have opined that vaccine injury (which is a well documented thing in people of this age group) could have been involved. While the tackle might have been a factor, nothing about the event is inconsistent with vaccine injury.

Nobody can say for certain how much of a factor the jabs were in many of these sudden adult deaths, but mostly that is because nobody is looking. However, it is clear that there is an epidemic of sudden adult deaths, and heart injury due to the jab is well documented. So it would be completely dumb to simply dismiss the jab as a factor in this athlete's cardiac arrest.

Finally, the vast majority of football players are getting hit hard, really hard, and they simply don't drop like flies with cardiac arrest.

But there incidence of serious cardiac problems amongst elite athletes appears to suddenly be very much higher than before the jabs.

Curiously, in the century of pro football before modern protective equipment, no commodito commitis. Or whatever the hell it isn't.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:
The vast majority of these athletes have been "vaccinated" and they simply aren't dropping like flies.

I guess you missed this?

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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More than 270 sudden deaths in athletes linked to covid-19 vaccine
"It's not normal for so many athletes, especially young athletes, to suffer cardiac arrests," said Dr. Peter McCullough.

SABRINA MARTIN January 6, 2023

The number of young athletes dying of cardiac arrest seems to have increased following the massive vaccination campaigns against covid-19.

Experts have reviewed recent documents and noted that between 2021 and 2022 alone, at least 1,616 cases of cardiac arrest of vaccinated athletes have been recorded, of which 1,114 were fatal. Of that number of deaths, 279 were U.S. athletes.

These figures are surprising considering that the risk of cardiac arrest in athletes is lower compared to those who do not exercise. In fact, according to a 2016 study, people who don't play sports are 29 times more likely to suffer a sudden death than athletes.

Full article: More than 270 sudden deaths in athletes linked to covid-19 vaccine

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But there incidence of serious cardiac problems amongst elite athletes appears to suddenly be very much higher than before the jabs.

Probably just coincidence.

That article has been discredited quite a bit. Doesn't take much reading to figure that out. It's not based on a lot of factual evidence.

Now ask yourself how many individuals who may have collapsed or had issues after receiving said "vaccine" - also CONTRACTED THE ACTUAL COVID VIRUS either before or after.

Don is a Republican in training...

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Originally posted by DonDraper:
That article has been discredited quite a bit. Doesn't take much reading to figure that out. It's not based on a lot of factual evidence.

Now ask yourself how many individuals who may have collapsed or had issues after receiving said "vaccine" - also CONTRACTED THE ACTUAL COVID VIRUS either before or after.

Right, and how many of us had the virus multiple times and not the shots and didn’t stroke out? Here’s one typing right now.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:
That article has been discredited quite a bit.

Cites, rather than unsubstantiated assertions, might be handy.

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Don is a Republican in training...

Don certainly is in denial.

Go back and read the first post in this thread, gentlemen. COVID is not the subject matter.