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I'm one of those still waiting for Trump to be eclipsed and/or implode. The problem is in the interim, Trump continues to consume most of the oxygen available for other candidates , discussing our problems in manner that is not just populist sloganeering and insults. Truly, Trump has changed the dynamic, and speaks to the neglect and disdain the GOP establishment has for a very large portion of its constituency. But that alone may not be enough to win the presidency mush less the GOP nomination. Somewhere along the line substantial policy has to be discussed, if Trump succeeds in marginalizing some of the mid tier candidates with better policy ideas, then tepid Jeb Bush, with his campaign bankroll, may still emerge as the nominee.


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I'm one of those still waiting for Trump to be eclipsed and/or implode. The problem is in the interim, Trump continues to consume most of the oxygen available for other candidates , discussing our problems in manner that is not just populist sloganeering and insults. Truly, Trump has changed the dynamic, and speaks to the neglect and disdain the GOP establishment has for a very large portion of its constituency. But that alone may not be enough to win the presidency much less the GOP nomination. Somewhere along the line substantial policy has to be discussed, if Trump succeeds in marginalizing some of the mid tier candidates with better policy ideas, then tepid Jeb Bush, with his campaign bankroll, may still emerge as the nominee.


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Somewhere along the line substantial policy has to be discussed,

Yes... that's right.
Let's see if that starts to happen Wed. night.



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I speak jive.
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what other candidate, nominee, or eventual winner has ever really offered truly substantive policy previews that ever amounted to anything tangible, much less were carried out after the fact and thus fulfilled such dreams or promises or strategies?
 
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what other candidate, nominee, or eventual winner has ever really offered truly substantive policy previews that ever amounted to anything tangible, much less were carried out after the fact and thus fulfilled such dreams or promises or strategies?


Agreed. Seems to me Trump has offered up as much as any of them (maybe more), and has been willing to meet the press and take all the questions they can come up with.
 
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make no mistake, I think it's a fine idea and all, the more I know about a candidate and their positions and plans the better, but who shows their true hand at this juncture anyway - it would almost assuredly be a tactical disadvantage to give away too much; so what, then, what precisely do people feel they need to hear, from Trump or anyone else, and who else (Trump aside) is actually meeting this supposed standard?
 
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Haven't you heard, Andy? Carson is in a "virtual dead heat" with Trump. Did you know that? I didn't know that. I'm better informed now. Yeah.


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Washington is a den of thieves. With some assorted wolves, pigs, and venomous snakes thrown in.

Don't send in the nice guy.

Send in Donald Fuckin' Trump.


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what other candidate, nominee, or eventual winner has ever really offered truly substantive policy previews that ever amounted to anything tangible, much less were carried out after the fact and thus fulfilled such dreams or promises or strategies?


Bingo. I'm not so much worried about the nitty gritty details of what someone will do. I am looking for someone who can spell out his "commander's intent", and then get the right people to iron out the little details that conform to what he wants accomplished. I'm sure Trump knows how to assemble a team to accomplish what he wants.
 
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OK, Trump might be speaking to crowds of 15,000, but I saw a news show with several people-- several-- at a Carson rally. Waving...well, waving their hands...they didn't seem to have signs or anything. BUT they were clearly mouthing "Carson" and giving thumbs up. Very excited. All five of them. Thumbs up!

So, yeah, I'd say Trump and Carson are in a dead heat. With Carson surging. (Have you noticed how they all now love the word, "surging.")

We'll know FIX is really desperate when they-- and every other news broadcast-- has to reach way down... waaaaay down into the bag of tricks....and all they can come up with, scrabbling around the bottom, is gravitas. "Trump does not have gravitas!" Once Krauthammer says it, they will all squawk "GRAVITAS" like a cage of parrots. "WAAAAK! GRAVITAS! GRAVITAS! NO GRAVITAS! WAAAAAK!"

Then we'll know it is truly all over for them.


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Originally posted by mbinky:Bingo. I'm not so much worried about the nitty gritty details of what someone will do. I am looking for someone who can spell out his "commander's intent", and then get the right people to iron out the little details that conform to what he wants accomplished. I'm sure Trump knows how to assemble a team to accomplish what he wants.


No shat. I'm tired of people saying "how is he gonna build the wall". WTF do you want, cement composition & mixing rates? He friggin told ya, he's gonna build a wall. He's gonna hire somebody who builds walls for a living, tell them he wants a wall, & then they are gonna build it. & people are like "how is he gonna make Mexico pay for the wall?". He already told you dumbasses.
If they won't pay cash, he'll put a tariff on their goods until it's paid for. What is so friggin hard to understand?
 
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Carson may be intelligent, articulate and clean but he seems to be so much milk toast. He couldn't kick his own ass.
We need a ass kicker and Trump is certainly that.
I have made this comment before but Trump carries the ability to put some fear in the international thugs. He's a wild card you just don't know what his response is going to be to anything.

This will give Putin and the rest of them pause to consider things before they act. Right now these thugs are stealing Obama's lunch money and pulling his pants down in front of the rest of the class.


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Looks like Fix News is giving up on Jeb and are now trying to use Carson to bring down Trump.

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...-polls/?intcmp=hpbt1

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but it really does appear that Fix News is trying to tell us our eyes are deceiving us. I ain't buyin' it.


According to the folks at Real Clear Politics who if I am not mistaken, do an average of all the polls:

Nationally Trump is leading Carson by 12% in Iowa by 7% and in New Hampshire 20%

By the way to get the info straight from the Donald here is the link to his web page.

At the bottom of the page he has his latest tweets and he states that;

The polls are really looking good—#1 everywhere despite all lobbyist & special interest $ being spent against me. I’m turning down millions.


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He's gonna hire somebody who builds walls


Shovel ready jobs? Big Grin

Yes friends, if Trump even hires a consulting firm to consider the wall, he will have "created" more jobs than our current Crotch-In-Chief.
 
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A good friend sent me this link:

Sowell is bringing the discussion back to reality




 
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A good friend sent me this link:

Sowell is bringing the discussion back to reality


Every time someone brings up Hitler when they talk about Trump it's a good indicator Trump has gotten under their skin and they don't know what to do about it. I used to call people "Adolph" and "Hitler" out of frustration too...........When I was a kid. Who is the one stoking fear and playing up emotions? Roll Eyes Another condescending lie. Mad


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They keep saying they just want "sensible gun laws" but they hold up countries where they are banned and confiscated as their ideal.
Antis thinks guns are only good for killing people. I think guns are good for self defense. So I'm the one with the "problem"?
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I'm tired of people saying "how is he gonna build the wall". WTF do you want, cement composition & mixing rates?



I want to see artist renderings and color swatches. Otherwise I'm back to Jeb!


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I think Fox is right in that Carson is a very nice man. So was Jimmy Carter and where did that get us? Nice guys are generally not the ones that make great Presidents and this country is in dire need of a great President.



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I think Fox is right in that Carson is a very nice man.


I think Jeb wants everyone to know he's a nice guy too. Not like that mean ole Trump.


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They keep saying they just want "sensible gun laws" but they hold up countries where they are banned and confiscated as their ideal.
Antis thinks guns are only good for killing people. I think guns are good for self defense. So I'm the one with the "problem"?
The Bill of Rights affirms the Rights of the Individual Not the State. Anyone tells me different is a liar.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”― Christopher Hitchens
 
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Well, in the words of Colonel Frank Burns, it's nice to be nice to the nice. We'll have a barbecue for those guys. Somethin' like that. You know- to show our appreciation for being nice and all.
 
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