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Oh stewardess,
I speak jive.
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^ Supposedly, it's bigger than that...

One story floating around is that an advisor to both Romney and Ryan, a man named Dan Senor - whose wife is/was an exec at NBC, is the one who leaked the tape, as a part of yet another attempt by the GOPe to thwart the Trump campaign from within.

Source

Source

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I'm not sure what's up, but if it's true it's pretty damming.
 
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GHW Bush is voting for Hillary. GW won't make a public statement saying who to vote for-- just be sure to vote. His daughter is voting for Hillary, and recently attended a fund raiser with Huma. Barbara Bush "adores" Bill Clinton. W calls him a "brother from another mother." Jeb is a Never Trumper, i.e. Hillary supporter.

The Bushes and the Clintons are a distinction without a difference.


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OK, are there any new polls yet?

Getting tired of hearing of her 11 point lead for the poll taken right after the world-ending-oh-my-poor-ears-think-of-the-children! P-video miraculously appeared but before she got her ass handed to her debate.

In MSM time, 36 hours is like 512 years...eventually that pony is gonna give out.



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GHW Bush is voting for Hillary. GW won't make a public statement saying who to vote for-- just be sure to vote. His daughter is voting for Hillary, and recently attended a fund raiser with Huma. Barbara Bush "adores" Bill Clinton. W calls him a "brother from another mother." Jeb is a Never Trumper, i.e. Hillary supporter.

The Bushes and the Clintons are a distinction without a difference.
There are a lot of skulls and bones in the Bush's family closet.
 
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Unfortunately Hildabeast's rally in OH yesterday apparently drew a crowd of 18.5K potential voters.

Maybe someone beat me to it, but do you have a link for this?


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Originally posted by Dakor:
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Originally posted by btanchors:
One point I would like to raise, regarding Trump's prospects of winning this election: It appears Trump is still drawing very large crowds at his events. Hillary is not - only a couple/few hundred at most.

Does anyone have actual data to show this is still the case? It looks like Trump's event in PA last night was heavily attended, with a couple of thousand unable to enter because it was full.

Are Hillary's events still poorly attended?

This could be the strongest objective data indicating who's REALLY likely to win this election...


Unfortunately Hildabeast's rally in OH yesterday apparently drew a crowd of 18.5K potential voters.


From media sources:

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That's the attendance figure provided by the U.S. Secret Service through Clinton's campaign. Though some reporters estimated a lower crowd count, the rally was unusually large compared to other events Clinton has held in Ohio this election season.


Most reports estimated the crowd at about 7 thousand. That's huge for Hitlery but about 1/2 of what Trump sees every day. Hitlery usually draws under 500. Note that the coverage of the Hitlery event was very careful to keep a tight crop on her and never allow the "huge" crowd to be seen.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/..._draws_record_c.html


Damn, soros must be getting desperate.


Elk

There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour)

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. "
-Thomas Jefferson

"America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville

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Originally posted by Mainframe Coder:
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Originally posted by Dakor:
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Originally posted by btanchors:
One point I would like to raise, regarding Trump's prospects of winning this election: It appears Trump is still drawing very large crowds at his events. Hillary is not - only a couple/few hundred at most.

Does anyone have actual data to show this is still the case? It looks like Trump's event in PA last night was heavily attended, with a couple of thousand unable to enter because it was full.

Are Hillary's events still poorly attended?

This could be the strongest objective data indicating who's REALLY likely to win this election...


Unfortunately Hildabeast's rally in OH yesterday apparently drew a crowd of 18.5K potential voters.


From media sources:

quote:
That's the attendance figure provided by the U.S. Secret Service through Clinton's campaign. Though some reporters estimated a lower crowd count, the rally was unusually large compared to other events Clinton has held in Ohio this election season.


Most reports estimated the crowd at about 7 thousand. That's huge for Hitlery but about 1/2 of what Trump sees every day. Hitlery usually draws under 500. Note that the coverage of the Hitlery event was very careful to keep a tight crop on her and never allow the "huge" crowd to be seen.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/..._draws_record_c.html


Damn, soros must be getting desperate.



I find this whole event suspect. For this whole campaign she has struggled to fill 300-500 person venues. Now, magically a crowd appears for this one? It could be a bump off the trump tape/debate. That may be a part of it, given clinton history, some one check the local news papers, craigslist, facebook comunity blogs for rent a mob ads. That is more along the lines of clinton tactics.
 
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Actually, I for one was not looking for the congress to successfully pass into law anything of real significance over the past four years. That's really not possible given who sits in the White House. What I was looking for, was some sort of 'fight' in the GOP for what their constituents sent them to Washington to accomplish. That involved opposing Obama's agenda, and sending him bills to veto. I'd be far more satisfied and confident in the motives of the GOP if Obama's veto count were up around 75-80 (like Reagan's) and nothing meaningful got passed at all. Yet that's almost the exact opposite of what we've seen over the past four years.

I have very rarely been referred to as 'emotional', nor am I unfamiliar with how legislation passes in divided government. But at a root level, that doesn't change what people are looking for in the representatives they elect, which is a 'yoooge' part of the reason we have a candidate Trump running for the presidency today.


The rules of the Senate required 60 votes for cloture to end debate and bring a bill to a vote. This had resulted in a de facto requirement that a nomination have the support of 60 Senators to pass, rather than a majority of 51. A three-fifths vote is still required to end debates on legislation and Supreme Court nominations.

Reid forced through a change to require 51 votes to end a major filibuster. http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ing-filibusters.html

So even under the rules, ordinary bills required 60 votes for cloture, as I understood it.

Given the moral repugnance of their opposition, the Republicans could scarcely embrace the rule and take advantage of it upon gaining the majority. I guess if you don't care enough to cheat, you don't care enough to win, but I'm not sure I like that tactic better than the moral high ground.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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I find those numbers for Clinton a little bogus too. I'd like to see some clarification.




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Originally posted by 46and2:
^ Supposedly, it's bigger than that...

One story floating around is that an advisor to both Romney and Ryan, a man named Dan Senor - whose wife is/was an exec at NBC, is the one who leaked the tape, as a part of yet another attempt by the GOPe to thwart the Trump campaign from within.

Source

Source

Source

I'm not sure what's up, but if it's true it's pretty damming.


Very damning!!!




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I guess if you don't care enough to cheat, you don't care enough to win, but I'm not sure I like that tactic better than the moral high ground.
In my mind, its not cheating when you're simply playing the game by the rules the opposition approved and has used. And although the 'moral high ground' is always preferable, I'll personally resort to any and all options when someone is sitting on top of me beating me to death (a small metaphor for what the Dem's have been doing to this country).

I know I shouldn't expect the Repubs to win all the time, but if they can't recognize opportunities, execute as necessary, and win occasionally, then they need to go. For god sake, Obama's been playing checkers with these clowns for the past 4+ years, and the Repub's are mystified by the bow and wrapping paper that came on the box.


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O'Reilly: At Least 3 Media Orgs Have 'Ordered Employees to Destroy Trump'
Media Organizations Have 'Ordered Employees to Destroy Trump'


At least three media organizations have "ordered their employees to destroy Donald Trump," Bill O'Reilly said this morning.

Sitting down with Bill Hemmer to analyze last night's second debate between Trump and Hillary Clinton, O'Reilly said he's "100 percent convinced" of the media plot against Trump.


quote:
Originally posted by 46and2:
One story floating around is that an advisor to both Romney and Ryan, a man named Dan Senor - whose wife is/was an exec at NBC, is the one who leaked the tape, as a part of yet another attempt by the GOPe to thwart the Trump campaign from within.

Source

Source

Source

I'm not sure what's up, but if it's true it's pretty damming.


Wow. Downright fucking disgusting. Wow.

The next 28 days is going to be a ball buster. Reminds me of Captain Ramius in The Hunt For Red October movie, being chased by both the Russians and Americans in order to sink him. If the above is any indication, there is absolutely no difference between The Democrats and Establishment Republicans.

One Single Man, not part of the status quo, has the entire political system and mass media system hunting him down.

I sincerely hope that Donald Trump has the best security possible.



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And the local news had to, just had to show some pro coaches and athletes just claiming what a clean, respectful family atmosphere they have in their locker rooms Roll Eyes

Yeah, sure...and there's no locker rooms in college, HS, the athletic club or anywhere else either...give..me..a..break...

New polls please...

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Hitlery just did a rally/speech in FL. with AlGore. If there were more than a few hundred people they must have been hiding in the parking lot. Lots of empty seats despite media attempts to hide the low numbers.
 
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Originally posted by 46and2:
^ Supposedly, it's bigger than that...

One story floating around is that an advisor to both Romney and Ryan, a man named Dan Senor - whose wife is/was an exec at NBC, is the one who leaked the tape, as a part of yet another attempt by the GOPe to thwart the Trump campaign from within.

Source

Source

Source

I'm not sure what's up, but if it's true it's pretty damming.


Very damning!!!


Not damning ~ it is certainly thoroughly DISGUSTING. Mad
 
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Damn, soros must be getting desperate.


Let's see, 18500 X $50 a head cost Georgie a chunk of change!


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Hitlery just did a rally/speech in FL. with AlGore. If there were more than a few hundred people they must have been hiding in the parking lot. Lots of empty seats despite media attempts to hide the low numbers.
Best I could find in a quick Google search. Not what I'd call 'Yooge', especially given it was in Miami, one of the most liberal areas of the state.



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I know the rule about psoting email, but this is not a chain email - it came from PresidentialOpenDebate.com, the website that collected the questions used in the last Clinton/Trump debate.

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Hi -- this is Lilia Tamm Dixon, director of the Open Debate Coalition. Sunday night's debate included many surreal moments.

One was when debate moderators cited the "bipartisan Open Debate Coalition's online forum where Americans submitted questions that generated millions of votes" in front of 66 million Americans.

This instantly legitimized our work together for the long haul. It cemented the idea with reporters, politicians, and the public that it's honorable and acceptable when regular people across the political spectrum come together to assert the public's voice in political debates.

This recognition would not have happened without all of us submitting great questions, voting, and sharing with others -- earning our way onto the big stage together.

But then, something ironic and tragic happened. They asked a question from our voting platform about Wikileaks that received....13 votes. All of the top 30 questions that moderators promised to consider received over 20,000 votes, and the top two questions each received over 65,000 votes.

This was an unfortunate example of cherrypicking by moderators to give their own questions the veneer of representing the public. Popular questions on guns, Social Security, government reform, student debt, climate, immigration, and other issues went unasked.

The Washington Post's Chris Cilizza wrote, "Ostensibly, this was a debate for the people and by the people...But that's not really how it turned out."

The final debate is moderated by Fox's Chris Wallace on Oct. 19. Can you sign a petition urging Wallace to do right by the public and ask questions from the top of the PresidentialOpenQuestions voting site? Click here.

Signatures will be delivered to Wallace. And after signing, you can contact Fox directly on social media.
ABC and CNN asked our coalition for regular updates on the voting progress and seemed eager to embrace public participation. Notably, a question asked on taxes was almost verbatim the #12 question on our site. And questions on health care and the Supreme Court were very in line with questions #8 and #50. But a couple good questions in 90 minutes is not enough.

For debates to be useful to voters, they need to represent the will of the people -- not be gotcha, fluff, and news-of-the-week questions that media elites love but that won't be relevant a few weeks later.

We will have some exciting news to announce soon as we build toward the vision for bottom-up debate questions. But right now, Chris Wallace needs to get our message -- please sign the petition asking him to ask questions from the top of the PresidentialOpenQuestions voting site on Oct. 19.

Thank you for working to make debates represent the will of the people.

-- Lilia

P.S. Please forward this email to others. Here is a reminder of how many diverse points of view are represented in the Open Debate Coalition voting process...





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^ Supposedly, it's bigger than that...

One story floating around is that an advisor to both Romney and Ryan, a man named Dan Senor - whose wife is/was an exec at NBC, is the one who leaked the tape, as a part of yet another attempt by the GOPe to thwart the Trump campaign from within.


Senor was also part of GWB's administration as a spokesman in Iraq.
 
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I sincerely hope that Donald Trump has the best security possible.

I find it interesting, and a relief, and a good thing in general, that for all our faults as a country and species, and our propensity to resort to violence as we deem necessary - from going to war with entire countries to hunting down and killing specific individuals years after the fact like Bin Laden to Castle Doctrine and other self defense laws aimed at the individual (all of which are reasonable things), and for all the machinations and vitriol from all sides, we (in this stage of civilization in this country) seem to have truly moved past actually assassinating folks who seem particularly threatening or dangerous to one group or another.

There is so much at stake in an election like this. The power and influence, the wealth, the furthering or suppression of entire major ideologies and their related groups and movements, the collusion of the media itself, the subversive investments and instigations by wealthy outsiders and insiders, the backstabbing from within each party, etc, it's pretty amazing that it doesn't turn violent more often and that the Bernies and Trumps of the world aren't silenced permanently. I think it's part of why things get so nasty in other ways, a venting of the pressure elsewhere.

I am in *no* way advocating assassinating anyone, or even implying it's good, mind you.

But I bet there is a meaningful relationship between the lack of assassinations and how dirty the fights/elections are nowadays. It seems those at those levels are thinking: "well, we can't just kill 'em, so let's do whatever we can to destroy them *just* short of that..."

By choosing to be more civilized and by choosing law and order over things like assassinations, it seems we've brought other troubles to our doorstep instead. Nasty troubles, too, whose implications and effects aren't yet truly known or understood.

Interesting, I thought. I think we're on the right path, of course. I'm glad someone can't just shoot me for being disagreeable, and that (somehow) hardly no one does that anymore
 
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