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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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The veto is not all that is stopping Ryan. The bills the House approves must be passed in the Senate, before being vetoed.

Correct. Yet I would put forth Ryan has had the luxury of passing bills to placate House constituencies while knowing full well and good McConnell and crew would insure they died a quick death in the senate. So together, Ryan and McConnell have played the political game with their voters while giving the worst president in American history almost everything he wanted.

How many vetos has Obama penned to date? By my count, 12. By comparison, Bill Clinton endured 37 during his two terms. So how does the most divisive, confrontational, anti-American, president in at least the last 40/50 years encounter only a third the challenges Bill Clinton did, on spending and legislation that would have been unacceptable at any time in American history? McConnell all but assumed the role Harry Reid played in insuring Obama didn't have to use his 'pen' to oppose the GOP. McConnell's changing the senate rules back from what Reid did, coupled with the thin senate majority he had, virtually guaranteed the Dem's would have everything they needed to thwart the Republican senate on almost everything. Is this playing by the rules, or rolling over to the enemy?

I think justjoe put it very well earlier in this thread. Ryan and crew had better wake up to the reality that no matter who wins this election, the GOP in its previous form is dead. And it will die specifically due to the utter worthlessness of the party and its leaders.

Horse plop!

Obama hasn't had to veto much of anything because thanks to Dingy Harry initially, and the make up and rules of the Senate, almost nothing Obama opposed made it to his desk to veto.

Every incentive imaginable encourages Ryan and McConnell to formulate and execute a winning strategy, if there was one. The claim that they rolled over is jumped on by the emotionally driven, and those who do not appreciate the nuances of passing legislation in a closely divided Congress which unfortunately represents the People more closely than many of us would like.

McConnell isn't the first Majority Leader to be driven to despair by the cat herding

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Originally posted by parabellum:
OK, so he shouldn't release any more emails?

You guys are killing me with this terminal pessimism. Damn.

It's a bad thing that he released these emails. It doesn't help one bit and I'm sure someone will now tell us how releasing these emails hurts our cause, right?

Right? Is that what you guys want us to agree with?

In my opinion, Assange is saving the best for later.
This is war, and the next few weeks will be crazy.

I still believe a bomb will be dropped before the last debate.

Unfortunately, I believe the other side is holding some cards as well. That is how the game of public opinion is played. Just hope we have better ammo.

One good thing is that Trump has been well smeared and he came roaring back in Debate 2. That card has been played. New sex/bimbo smears on Trump will not work nearly as well.

If Assange drops a new bomb on HRC and if all HRC has is another "locker room tape" the pendulum could swing in Trump's direction.

Just my opinion. We have a YUGE endgame over the next few weeks. The polls mean jack-shit right now.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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The veto is not all that is stopping Ryan. The bills the House approves must be passed in the Senate, before being vetoed.

Correct. Yet I would put forth Ryan has had the luxury of passing bills to placate House constituencies while knowing full well and good McConnell and crew would insure they died a quick death in the senate. So together, Ryan and McConnell have played the political game with their voters while giving the worst president in American history almost everything he wanted.

How many vetos has Obama penned to date? By my count, 12. By comparison, Bill Clinton endured 37 during his two terms. So how does the most divisive, confrontational, anti-American, president in at least the last 40/50 years encounter only a third the challenges Bill Clinton did, on spending and legislation that would have been unacceptable at any time in American history? McConnell all but assumed the role Harry Reid played in insuring Obama didn't have to use his 'pen' to oppose the GOP. McConnell's changing the senate rules back from what Reid did, coupled with the thin senate majority he had, virtually guaranteed the Dem's would have everything they needed to thwart the Republican senate on almost everything. Is this playing by the rules, or rolling over to the enemy?

I think justjoe put it very well earlier in this thread. Ryan and crew had better wake up to the reality that no matter who wins this election, the GOP in its previous form is dead. And it will die specifically due to the utter worthlessness of the party and its leaders.

Horse plop!

Ok, rather descriptive opening but, Ok.

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Obama hasn't had to veto much of anything because thanks to Dingy Harry initially, and the make up and rules of the Senate, almost nothing Obama opposed made it to his desk to veto.

Reid ran the senate for the first four years. During that time, I would completely agree with your assertions. However, McConnell inherited a Senate wherein Reid had changed the voting rules to favor the majority. McConnell needed to do nothing but sit back and take advantage of them, insuring the Repubs could have passed legislation through the Congress and onto the President for veto. Instead, he completely gave away that advantage under the guise of returning the senate to how it 'should' operate. Wait until the Dem's have the majority again, and we'll see the rules change again.

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Every incentive imaginable encourages Ryan and McConnell to formulate and execute a winning strategy, if there was one.

Really depends on what the definition of 'Winning' is, doesn't it. The Repubs have had the luxury of Obama and Reid to demonize to their constituencies (not bad for fundraising and reelection campaigns), while not having to fight Obama on much of anything and endure the wrath of the media smearing them.

This crop of Repubs, sans a few, are the most cowardly group of losers I've seen in a very long time. The Gingrich congress at least forced Bill Clinton to 'Triangulate' and at a minimum, cooperate with them on 'some' things. The current majorities in the house and senate have done nothing of the like.

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The claim that they rolled over is jumped on by the emotionally driven, and those who do not appreciate the nuances of passing legislation in a closely divided Congress which unfortunately represents the People more closely than many of us would like.

Actually, I for one was not looking for the congress to successfully pass into law anything of real significance over the past four years. That's really not possible given who sits in the White House. What I was looking for, was some sort of 'fight' in the GOP for what their constituents sent them to Washington to accomplish. That involved opposing Obama's agenda, and sending him bills to veto. I'd be far more satisfied and confident in the motives of the GOP if Obama's veto count were up around 75-80 (like Reagan's) and nothing meaningful got passed at all. Yet that's almost the exact opposite of what we've seen over the past four years.

I have very rarely been referred to as 'emotional', nor am I unfamiliar with how legislation passes in divided government. But at a root level, that doesn't change what people are looking for in the representatives they elect, which is a 'yoooge' part of the reason we have a candidate Trump running for the presidency today.

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Originally posted by Crom:

Anyone who would withhold a vote AGAINST Hillary on a moral pretense is really just self-congratulating their own ego for an assumed moral superiority. They can be wallowing in their self-satisfaction as the country decays into oblivion.

The choice is clear and there are only two that have any chance of winning.

This. Choice is clear for America, the Constitution, and my children's future.

I'm just amazed the pussy quote video is the worst they can get on Trump? He's a fly weight if that's his worst moment.

If I was a billionaire I'd be like Rodney Dangerfield in Caddy Shack only worse.

There are some "young people" who get it.

https://www.facebook.com/TomiL...os/1101012556658597/

I couldn't have said it any better Crom!

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Originally posted by FlyingScot:

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Originally posted by Crom:

Anyone who would withhold a vote AGAINST Hillary on a moral pretense is really just self-congratulating their own ego for an assumed moral superiority. They can be wallowing in their self-satisfaction as the country decays into oblivion.

The choice is clear and there are only two that have any chance of winning.

This. Choice is clear for America, the Constitution, and my children's future.

Yep. I just don't get the Never Trump camp. I agree quite a bit with libertarians, but Gary Johnson is not the guy to vote for right now. Local elections and/or primaries are where you try to get the right guy. The actual presidential election is not.

I'm helping coach my son's fall baseball team right now, so I like to look at it at a baseball analogy. The presidential election is the point where you are up to bat and have two strikes on you with the game on the line. You can't afford to wait for your perfect pitch. If the next pitch comes near the outside corner and you think it's "probably" a ball, you don't just let it go by. Because the Ump could call it a strike. You get your bat out there and foul it off so you can stay alive to fight the next one. Too much is at stake to let that pitch go by just because it's not the perfect one for you.

And that's how I look at Trump. I've grown to like him as time has gone on, and I hope he ends up being a great president, but he wasn't my guy in the primaries. And I recognize he isn't close to being the best guy for the job. I'm just hoping he wins so we can stay alive and fight again next time with the local elections and so on.

The Never Trumpers just don't have the balls to say "We're with her." They simply want Hillary to win because they have more to gain if she does win. They can work with her.

Instead of just saying so, they pretend to be taking a high-ground moral position.

Crooked, phony, lying. Yeah, they belong with her. Let them be stronger together in Hell.

One good thing about being 10,000 miles away for the last 5 months is that I haven't been bombarded by every petty incident in this election. I have however read every post in this awesome thread.
Here are some of my observations:
• The perfect candidate-I firmly believe that Trump is the perfect candidate for THIS election. Everyone who takes issue with Trump’s faults, really need to take a look at our Founding Fathers. The very foundation of this great nation was laid by these men…who were tough, stubborn, loud, rebellious, educated/uneducated, religious/non-religious, and most importantly passionate. Want scandalous behavior? Read about Franklin in Paris, or Samuel Adams. And yet, these where the men who stood up, put everything on the line and did something we all owe a debt.

• Words matter: In the past year when you have BLM shouting “pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon” and subsequent police killings, anyone who has a problem with what Trump said needs to readjust their moral compass. Remember which candidate is actually supporting that behavior, which media gives them credibility and which party celebrates it. For this very reason, anyone who says they are going to hold their nose and pull the lever for Trump is not my friend. If it wasn’t for Trump, putting everything on the line-being ground up by everyone, our voices today would be irrelevant. All we have to do is pull one lever, so do it with conviction.

• Wikileaks impact: I know this, in my travels to London, Brussels, Rome, Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and even in Somalia, people are talking about those emails and leaks. People are talking about Judicial Watch. It was a significant part of my meetings at the EU.

• Forest for the trees: Not really sure what to call this phenomenon, but people sure do get lost in the minutia. This creates stress, and stress will kill you. I’ve been fortunate to have been on this forum a long time, so quit fighting over petty things. Sure you’re a constitutional scholar, and the rest of us may be dumb as rocks about the tax code but don’t talk as we don’t know how this country should be governed. And if you are that smart and willing to fight on here, go run for office, any office, and fight to make things right as you see them.

• Blue States: Don’t tell me my vote in California doesn’t count, or any other blue state vote for Trump. The greatest minority is the individual. Ghengis Khan created the largest land empire by pulling together the “deplorables” and the “irredeemables”. Every vote counts because it sets up a movement for the future. California created Reagan, so how did we end up with Pelosi? One vote at a time.

Trump has taken an ugly truck and smashed through the decades of political BS and laid waste to all the sacred cows from the DNC, GOP, media, Silicon Valley, Wall Street, NATO, UN, etc…and people care about the chrome silhouettes of a busty woman on the mud flaps? As he says, save your energy.

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Blue States: Don’t tell me my vote in California doesn’t count, or any other blue state vote for Trump. The greatest minority is the individual. Ghengis Khan created the largest land empire by pulling together the “deplorables” and the “irredeemables”. Every vote counts because it sets up a movement for the future. California created Reagan, so how did we end up with Pelosi? One vote at a time.

This is excellent. I hope a few people in blue states read this and think about it.

Sooma you summed it up very nicely,I have read all this thread for months and months.Thank you.

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Originally posted by KShooter:
Yep. I just don't get the Never Trump camp. I agree quite a bit with libertarians, but Gary Johnson is not the guy to vote for right now.

Gary Johnson is not the guy to vote for period.

I have two close friends who supported Johnson because they had "problems" with Trump, and hey, CA is going to Hillary anyways

I showed them the following video and they changed their minds, and to vote for Trump. They had no idea.

Today is the last day to register to vote in Tennessee. Haven't heard any real push by the Dems to carry warm bodies out to get registered, like I remember from 2008.

Is it because there is no real grassroots enthusiasm for their candidate? Or do they already have a plan to ensure that the roles of registered voters are filled with warm (or cold) bodies that will cast a Klinton vote?

Trump is having a party on Twitter today.

I for one hope that Assange releases a fair amount of data before the last debate , but keeps a couple of real big zingers to be made public a couple days just before the vote so there is little time for the Clinton machine togo into Deny, Deny, Deny. Make it so big that an 800 lb. gorilla in the room is unnoticed!

O'Reilly: At Least 3 Media Orgs Have 'Ordered Employees to Destroy Trump'
Media Organizations Have 'Ordered Employees to Destroy Trump'


At least three media organizations have "ordered their employees to destroy Donald Trump," Bill O'Reilly said this morning.

Sitting down with Bill Hemmer to analyze last night's second debate between Trump and Hillary Clinton, O'Reilly said he's "100 percent convinced" of the media plot against Trump.

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Originally posted by Copefree:
Trump is having a party on Twitter today.

I don't know if it's good or bad but The Donald is definitely getting some of his frustrations out today! Needless to say, his relationship with the RINO's who couldn't wait to abandon him is wrecked (his slamming of McCain and Ryan were particularly enjoyable.) Personally, I couldn't be happier.

ETA: Seeing several media suggestions that today is the day Trump finally realized he can't win and is now venting his frustration on Twitter. I don't think that's it at all. I think it's just Trump being Trump.

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Originally posted by sooma:
One good thing about being 10,000 miles away for the last 5 months is that I haven't been bombarded by every petty incident in this election. I have however ...

Outstanding! Very well done, sir!



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Some pages ago, I speculated that Billy Bush may have been the one to leak the 2005 tape.

Turns out that was correct.

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...hot-mic-footage.html

Billy Bush allegedly boasted about the now-infamous Donald Trump hot mic tape to NBC staffers as far back as August.

The now-suspended “Today” show host told colleagues during the Olympics in Rio that there was a “tape of [Republican presidential nominee] Trump being a real dog,” The New York Post reported on Monday. Staffers at “Access Hollywood,” the show Bush co-hosted in 2005 when the crude tape was recorded, reportedly began trying to track down the recording after Bush’s brag.

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Billy Bush - cousin of Bush #43 and Jeb Bush