MSNBC host says latest poll showing Clinton +14 is cooked

'Morning Joe' host Joe Scarborough notes that the latest NBC/WSJ poll showing Clinton 7 points higher than she was last week, for a total of 14 points ahead of Donald Trump "couldn't have been more cooked."

"It could not have been cooked more to get the result they got," he asserted.

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Originally posted by gw3971:
fuck the republicans! Donald needs to punish the republicans by promising terms limits in the senate and the house if he is elected. With Republicans fleeing our candidate it would scare the hell out of Mitch McConnell and the democrats. Everyone I know, republicans and democrats, are for term limits. that is something the pissed off Bernie Sanders supporters would get behind. Its something democrats, who are pissed with Hillary, could get behind. Sure it would never pass either house but, it doesn't have too.

Term limits are good in theory, but not necessarily in practice. You end up with lawmakers who are all rookies and have no idea what they are doing. The lobbyists and special interests end up driving the train. Maybe our members in CA can speak to this issue with experience better than I can.

I'm in favor of term limits, just not really short ones. 7 terms (14 years) in the House and 3 (18 years) in the Senate might work.

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Originally posted by jigray3:
Term limits are good in theory, but not necessarily in practice......The lobbyists and special interests end up driving the train.

And this would be different from what we currently have.....how?

An amendment that limited House Reps to no more than 6 terms, and Senators to no more than 2 terms, would be perhaps the single, best change we could make to the Constitution.

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Originally posted by jigray3:
Term limits are good in theory, but not necessarily in practice. You end up with lawmakers who are all rookies and have no idea what they are doing. The lobbyists and special interests end up driving the train. Maybe our members in CA can speak to this issue.

I'm in favor of term limits, just not really short ones. 7 terms (14 years) in the House and 3 (18 years) in the Senate might work.

Yeah I get that but i think if Trump just suggested it he could stick it to the republicans and give the anti establishment voters a real charge and maybe motivate a couple to get of the couch and vote. Democrats own the black vote by promising everything and delivering nothing. Blacks vote in the upper 90% for the dems. Maybe its time to take a page from their book

Can you imagine the reaction of the already disgruntled republicans? I would just like to watch them react to the proposal and then listen to them arguing about how to stop Trump. I want these fleeing cowards to have to try and explain how term limits would be a bad idea for the citizens of America.

Here's where we're headed folks if Trump loses to the corrupt establishment. Just the other day, Breyer said this...

https://youtu.be/J_U6P19_IsQ

I'm in favor of term limits, just not really short ones. 7 terms (14 years) in the House and 3 (18 years) in the Senate might work.[/QUOTE]

But they all were rookies at one time or another. Besides rookies don't necessarily have all the baggage years in congress accumulates. Two terms and out!

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Why on earth would the GOP hand the Presidency to Hillary simply because they don't like Trump.... Makes no sense to me.

Because both the high powered Democrats and the Establishment Republicans are part of a closed elite club (notice the Clintons and the Bushes are best friends), powered by high powered donors and lobbyists. Notice how the corporate power elite billionaires are against Trump too?

An extreme outsider like Trump is feared because he likely will change the way Washington DC conducts "business". He doesn't play by the same rules, doesn't need Big Business money because he has his own. He doesn't care about constant re-election for a career because he doesn't desire one; he just has the lofty goal of fixing America.

If elected, they think he will make pockets lighter for everyone, including politicians, corporations, banks, etc. So one can see that the RINOs would rather have one of their own (Hillary) in office instead of an outsider like Trump.

Hillary stated, (paraphrasing) this election is important beyond the 4-8 years of a sitting POTUS, but has far reaching implication in the direction of the Supreme Court, (likely the Senate and the House), our financial, media/information systems, our standing in the world.

She and the establishment, know that this is the time of a :harvest" of sorts, and that time is critical to all of this. Should they not get "their man" or "their woman" in the position to continue the "giveaway" of this great nation, and someone such as Donald Trump, who very well may be the brakes on a crazy train, then they may be set back a very long time.

For in their laying of plans, and not gaining the control they seek, may very well be an uncovering and revealing that would lead to something akin to Romania 1989 and similar fate to those who would sell our heritage.

World War Two was visited upon the world by the Axis powers and others thinking they would profit from selling out and aligning with them, in a like fashion.

Yet a weak and least likely country rolled up its sleeves and did the unimaginable, creating a first world class fighting machine, and the people to man it, and we, along with great allies, (and I believe, the Help of God) prevailed, and soundly defeated a great enemy to all.

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Originally posted by jigray3:

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Why on earth would the GOP hand the Presidency to Hillary simply because they don't like Trump.... Makes no sense to me.

Big donors want someone who will play ball and not upset the applecart. Ever notice Republican donors are not true conservatives? Hillary will play ball, vis a vis public vs private positions.

Buddy of mine who is pretty well connected to upper management of Lockheed Martin says the brass in Greenbelt absolutely love POSHitlary. They've greased her skids quite well. They know once she's seated they'll get a good return on their investment.

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Why on earth would the GOP hand the Presidency to Hillary simply because they don't like Trump.... Makes no sense to me.

Because both the high powered Democrats and the Establishment Republicans are part of a closed elite club (notice the Clintons and the Bushes are best friends), powered by high powered donors and lobbyists. Notice how the corporate power elite billionaires are against Trump too?

An extreme outsider like Trump is feared because he likely will change the way Washington DC conducts "business". He doesn't play by the same rules, doesn't need Big Business money because he has his own. He doesn't care about constant re-election for a career because he doesn't desire one; he just has the lofty goal of fixing America.

If elected, they think he will make pockets lighter for everyone, including politicians, corporations, banks, etc. So one can see that the RINOs would rather have one of their own (Hillary) in office instead of an outsider like Trump.

And I'm sure that, over the years Trump has tired of being fleeced by EVERY gub-mint parasite agency out there.

sorry, no link for this original quote...

and since I stole it off another site I can not vette anything about it, other than to state the comments seem to be an authentic and reasonable series of observations:


"This is a well stated comment by a woman on a Brietbart piece on the latest debate.

"Try to keep this in mind, Donald Trump did not steal your money. Donald
Trump did not raise your taxes. Donald Trump did not quadruple the price
of food. Trump is not stirring a race war. Trump did not leave any US
soldiers in Benghazzi to be slaughtered and desecrated by Muslims.
Trump did not send the US Navy to fight for Syrian ,Al-Qaeda.
Trump did not arm ISIS and systematically exterminate
Christians throughout the Middle East. Trump did not betray Israel.
Trump did not provide financing and technology to Iran's nuclear weapons
program. Trump did not give our military secrets to China. Trump did
not remove our nuclear missile shield in Poland at the behest of Russia.
Trump did not shrivel our military, and betray our veterans. Trump did
not cripple our economy. Trump did not increase our debt to 20 trillion
dollars. Trump did not ruin our credit, twice. Trump did not double
African American unemployment. Trump did not increase welfare to a
record level for eight years. Trump did not sign a law making it legal
to execute, and imprison Americans. Trump did not set free all of
terrorists in Guantanamo bay. Trump did not steal your rights"

The media can try to fake everyone into believing that Hillary had a large crowd in Ohio or Florida, but they can't SHOW it because....it didn't exist.

Trump has an amazing crowd tonight in Panama City, FL (pushing 20K) and Right Side is showing all of it. There's no doubt they are there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siOPWgVuaHY

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Originally posted by Uppster:
I'm in favor of term limits, just not really short ones. 7 terms (14 years) in the House and 3 (18 years) in the Senate might work.

But they all were rookies at one time or another. Besides rookies don't necessarily have all the baggage years in congress accumulates. Two terms and out![/QUOTE]

12 years as a senator is too long, IMO.

Been suggesting for some time: House serves 3 terms and out with no repeats. Given the unlikely event of rescinding the 17th (?) amendment and returning senators to the individual state legislators then ONE term for them. We already have term limits for the president.

Putting the selection of senators back in the hands of individual state legislatures at least makes it possible to hold them responsible for doing their jobs. That being to look after their STATES. If they don't then the state legislators can summarily throw them out.

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Originally posted by Mainframe Coder:
The media can try to fake everyone into believing that Hillary had a large crowd in Ohio or Florida, but they can't SHOW it because....it didn't exist.

That's what I was thinking seeing the pics of the Miami rally. That was looking more like 2-4 K? I'm no crowd estimator but they showed interesting angles of the crowd. 2-4 K is a large crowd for her but no comparison between her and Trump. The unanswered question is "how many people weren't let in?".

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Yet a weak and least likely country rolled up its sleeves and did the unimaginable, creating a first world class fighting machine, and the people to man it, and we, along with great allies, (and I believe, the Help of God) prevailed, and soundly defeated a great enemy to all.

Well said, and speaks directly from my heart.

I often recall statements made by at least a couple of the Founders. "The republic will survive as long as there is morality among the people, and without ethics there can be no morality, and without religion (GOD) there can be no ethics.

We see that destruction of this nation on the horizon now. Because there is little morality, fewer ethics, and religion (as envisioned by the Founders) is being systematically destroyed by the establishment.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Why on earth would the GOP hand the Presidency to Hillary simply because they don't like Trump.... Makes no sense to me.

There is absolutely no difference between the dems and establishment republicans; they are both on the same gravy train. Why do you think nothing changed when the republicans got control of both houses?

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Originally posted by Uppster:I'm in favor of term limits, just not really short ones. 7 terms (14 years) in the House and 3 (18 years) in the Senate might work.

Whatever the limit is, every now and then we need to get a new set of people in that do not know the combinations to all of the safes. After all, it is the accountant that never takes a vacation that absconds with the company funds.

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
We see that destruction of this nation on the horizon now. Because there is little morality, fewer ethics, and religion (as envisioned by the Founders) is being systematically destroyed by the establishment.

And while it certainly didn't start with Bill Clinton, it gained a serious head of steam and went full speed ahead during his disgusting administration.

What's left you can kiss goodbye if his wife gets in.

I am 100% in favor of term limits. There was never supposed to be a career 'politician class' of people. It was supposed to be new people every couple years. People like mccain who have been in office for DECADES are why we are in such a mess politically today. Trump threatens to upset the apple cart. Proof of this is the FEAR the repubs have over Trump winning. They were NEVER this scared when mccain and whatever his name was tanked the last two elections.

The repubs are not trying to actively sabotage 'their' candidate's campaign less than a month from the election. One naturally wonders WHY they are doing this. I don't recall a party EVER trying to bail on their candidate, regardless of how bad they were polling.

Trump threatens the power and lifestyle of the career politicians. Heck, I'm starting to think that Trump may be THE BEST candidate we've ever had. If he wins, we could finally have a real revolution in politics in this country. I welcome that change, but those whose livelihoods DEPEND on maintaining the status quo are terrified of it.