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Originally posted by pbslinger:
Trump performed like he's been told its time to go home. Very little substance, much bragging and bickering.

Agreed. Each debate exposes more of who he is... a whiny 5th grader. Last night he was pretty disgraceful. It's very unfortunate, because I like a lot of what he has to say, his passion and honesty. He's just not very classy nor a statesman. I'm getting tired of him and his antics. He's starting to be not worthy of being the President of the United States, in my mind. I had hopes.

Carly kicked his ass, and wiped the floor with him.

Did he or did he not declare bankruptcy 4 times? Anyone know? He denied it.

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Did he or did he not declare bankruptcy 4 times? Anyone know? He denied it.

He has never filed bankruptcy personally. Those bankruptcies were business related.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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Did he or did he not declare bankruptcy 4 times? Anyone know? He denied it.

He has never filed bankruptcy personally. Those bankruptcies were business related.

For people who may not know how these deals work - when major projects like Trump does are done, a subsidiary company is set up to manage it. If the deal goes south, the subsidiary company is shut down, usually by having it declare bankruptcy.

Trump has not filed personal bankruptcy, he's had 4 (I think) of these projects where the deal fell thru and the company was liquidated by having it declare bankruptcy.

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Originally posted by Chris17404:

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
Trump performed like he's been told its time to go home. Very little substance, much bragging and bickering.

Agreed. Each debate exposes more of who he is... a whiny 5th grader. Last night he was pretty disgraceful. It's very unfortunate, because I like a lot of what he has to say, his passion and honesty. He's just not very classy nor a statesman. I'm getting tired of him and his antics. He's starting to be not worthy of being the President of the United States, in my mind. I had hopes.

Carly kicked his ass, and wiped the floor with him.

This, after 4 months. What about after 4 years?!

With the media coverage the President gets, the pulpit will be very bloody pretty fast, and remember, unlike a Parliamentary government, we're stuck with whoever we elect for 4 years.

I was disappointed in Trump last night. He will need to start giving serious substance to his plans rather than the broad strokes he has been painting with.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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Did he or did he not declare bankruptcy 4 times? Anyone know? He denied it.

He has never filed bankruptcy personally. Those bankruptcies were business related.

For people who may not know how these deals work - when major projects like Trump does are done, a subsidiary company is set up to manage it. If the deal goes south, the subsidiary company is shut down, usually by having it declare bankruptcy.

Trump has not filed personal bankruptcy, he's had 4 (I think) of these projects where the deal fell thru and the company was liquidated by having it declare bankruptcy.

And he rightfully used the laws to do business.

And given that, his cunning, his "bullying" if you will, have facilitated his getting ahead in a cutthroat game in the business world of land development.

World leadership is very much the same.
And while the USofA has moved to the milquetoast method of leadership style, in the misguided effort to "win friends and influence people" and away from the resolve to keep what is ours, and leave our hands of what is not, Trump is leading because he may well look and come across as a buffoon to many, but the very things he first spoke up about are the very things the establishment politicians are now polishing as stump fodder.

How dod we get to a point that the "prettiest and best spoken" is the "best" leader?

Rather than one who has led, failed, risen again and moved past Go and collected $200 more times than all the others combined?

Yeah. Some have governed states and that have had some good outcome. But often the legacy they lay claim to, was the work and effort of the last guy sitting in the chair.

I find it more troubling that after the past 16 years, this is the best "team" we have fielded for the playoff.

Wednesday's prime time GOP debate averaged 22.9 million viewers, making it the most-watched program in CNN's history.

only 153 million Americans are registered to vote

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How dod we get to a point that the "prettiest and best spoken" is the "best" leader?

I completely agree. Times change, and the requirements of the leader change as well. Sometimes you need refinement and polish. Sometimes you need a junk yard dog.

We need a junk yard dog. Not pretty, and don't get too close. But he'll deal with the junk yard thieves really well.

Not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread already or not, but Trump apparently believes vaccines cause autism.

That kind of delusion is worrying in someone who might become president.

I heard he doesn't like guac !

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Originally posted by maladat:
Not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread already or not, but Trump apparently believes vaccines cause autism.

That kind of delusion is worrying in someone who might become president.

he questions them, for sure, and thinks a slower approach would be better, as do both Carson and Paul:

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Moderator Jake Tapper invited Dr. Ben Carson to weigh in on Trump's analysis. Carson declined to contradict Trump directly.

"The fact of the matter is, we have extremely well-documented proof that there is no autism associated with vaccinations," Carson said. "But it is true that we are probably giving way too many in too short a period of time. And a lot of pediatricians now recognize that, and they’re cutting down on the number and the proximity.”"

Rand Paul also joined Trump's call for spacing out vaccines.

"I'm all for vaccines, but i'm also for freedom," Paul said. "I'm also a little concerned about how they're bunched up."

fwiw

it seems like what they're all saying is that there are concerns, open questions, changes already happening, and perhaps some negative consequences - even if "it's not causing autism" (which experts agree it isn't). or rather, just because "it doesn't cause autism" doesn't mean it is beyond question or criticism or that improvements may not be necessary. all of which, autism aside, seems pretty reasonable.

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Originally posted by maladat:
Not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread already or not, but Trump apparently believes vaccines cause autism.

That kind of delusion is worrying in someone who might become president.

My God. Look around you. With all the things going on- open borders, religious fanatics being given nuclear weapons, etc, and you're concerned about this????

You can have president Biden if you want him that badly. He probably isn't "deluded" in any way.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
as do both Carson and Paul:

An ophthalmologist and a neurosurgeon likely know little, if any, more about vaccines than Donald Trump. I find it somewhat comical that someone who is a physician is presumed to know anything and everything about any aspect of medicine. Not true. Not true at all.

Now, if Carson or Paul were pediatricians, family practitioners, or immunologists, then yeah, their opinions on the topic might be worth a look-see. As it is? Not so much.

Not going after you at all 46and2, just addressing the assumption.

^ oddly enough, I wasn't thinking of Paul and Carson as Physicians with a meaningful opinion on the topic - but simply other candidates who agree.

fair point, though.

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An ophthalmologist and a neurosurgeon likely know little, if any, more about vaccines than Donald Trump. I find it somewhat comical that someone who is a physician is presumed to know anything and everything about any aspect of medicine. Not true. Not true at all.

You've never seen people do that to lawyers or engineers? Not that treating lawyers or engineers that way makes any more sense.

As I said in the debate thread last night. I expected Donald to be a bit more articulate in his position by now. I wasn't expecting him to be the orator the others are but he should be a bit more polished this far along.
He offered nothing beyond vague generalities and keeps falling back on what a great businessman he is. And so be it, he is without a doubt. But if that is going to be your strong suit and constant fall back position he needs to make that real to people. Illustrate it by telling how he worked a specific international real estate deal, what obstacles there were and how he prevailed and how that would relate to international political negotiations.

His response to the question about how he would deal with Putin made me cringe. He responded with I'd talk to him and we would get along. Ugh!

I think the Donald may have served his purpose. I think we may have seen the begining to the end of his run. It's been fun!

Well, the headline on the bottom of the front page of today's Wall Street Journal read -

TRUMP TAPS INTO GOP VOTER ANGER

- so if Donald hasn't served that purpose yet, he's getting close.

Then again, I always assume the newspapers are at least a week behind the times when it comes to that sort of thing.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by maladat:
Not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread already or not, but Trump apparently believes vaccines cause autism.

That kind of delusion is worrying in someone who might become president.

My God. Look around you. With all the things going on- open borders, religious fanatics being given nuclear weapons, etc, and you're concerned about this????

You can have president Biden if you want him that badly. He probably isn't "deluded" in any way.

Come on, Para. Really?

I pointed out something about Trump that I find worrying, i.e., that he has taken a position on a scientific issue that is in complete disagreement with EVERY legitimate scientific study that has ever been done on the topic. That's just one criticism among many.

That doesn't mean I won't vote for him if he ends up being the Republican nominee. No matter who the Democratic nominee is, Trump would almost certainly be the lesser of two evils. That also doesn't make him my favorite Presidential candidate ever. Is he yours? I doubt it.

Are we not allowed to criticize Trump just because he is the leading Republican candidate right now? That kind of blanket immunity from criticism gets a lot of flak here when it occurs in the media with a Democratic figure, are we going to do the same thing?