I still wonder, and ask, which other candidate has a real chance at winning both the nomination and most importantly the election?

seriously, who?

all evidence (frustratingly) suggests we are going to have an enormously difficult time beating *any* Democrat.

I'm far from sure we can win the election *with* Trump, and extremely unsure that we have any real chance without him.

Jeb, Christie, Huckabee, Paul, and the other stragglers? no fucking way they're motivating enough from all sides to win the whole shebang.

so, by inference, Carly or Carson or Cruz, then? I've no doubt either would be immeasurably better than Obama on their worst days, but who really thinks either of these three can really win the whole thing? and by what rationale? I've yet to hear a compelling reason/scenario.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

I find it more troubling that after the past 16 years, this is the best "team" we have fielded for the playoff.

Me too

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Originally posted by sdy:
Wednesday's prime time GOP debate averaged 22.9 million viewers, making it the most-watched program in CNN's history.

Wow, I guess that breaks the old record of 10 viewers by quite a margin.

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Originally posted by maladat:
Are we not allowed to criticize Trump just because he is the leading Republican candidate right now? That kind of blanket immunity from criticism gets a lot of flak here when it occurs in the media with a Democratic figure, are we going to do the same thing?

Oh, please. There's plenty of criticism of Donald Trump in this forum. I am addressing your remarks, specifically.

That you would even consider Trump's uninformed misapprehension about something like vaccines and autism to be a factor in his ability to be president is just plain silly.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
I still wonder, and ask, which other candidate has a real chance at winning both the nomination and most importantly the election?

seriously, who?

all evidence (frustratingly) suggests we are going to have an enormously difficult time beating *any* Democrat.

I'm far from sure we can win the election *with* Trump, and extremely unsure that we have any real chance without him.

Jeb, Christie, Huckabee, Paul, and the other stragglers? no fucking way they're motivating enough from all sides to win the whole shebang.

so, by inference, Carly or Carson or Cruz, then? I've no doubt either would be immeasurably better than Obama on their worst days, but who really thinks either of these three can really win the whole thing? and by what rationale? I've yet to hear a compelling reason/scenario.

I agree with this. And to take it further I don't see Hillary going anywhere. This whole email thing has seemed it may have reached it's crescendo already. It's losing steam and I think we now know everything we are going to know. The only thing would be is if there is some unknown entity that exists that has the real shit on her and does a complete public dump of all her dirty, little filthy email exchanges.

I think it may come down to her or Biden either of which is going to be hard to beat by any of the Republican candidates we have now.
However with that being said I think Trump may stand the best chance particularly against Hillary. I don't think Trump would have any qualms about throwing her and Bills dirty laundry out in what would surely be a blood letting campaign. Trump would be ruthless with her.

I wish Cruz was polling better. We need to start culling the herd here real soon and see where some of that 1 and 2 percent of support goes.

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Originally posted by maladat:
Not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread already or not, but Trump apparently believes vaccines cause autism.

That kind of delusion is worrying in someone who might become president.

Really court's in other parts of the world have agreed with this as well as many others.

BTW go read the actual insert inside the vaccines!

What he said was giving so many and so close can cause autism....

Which DOCTOR Carson agreed with.

Now go get your shots comrades.

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Originally posted by Loganspawn:

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Originally posted by maladat:
Not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread already or not, but Trump apparently believes vaccines cause autism.

That kind of delusion is worrying in someone who might become president.

Really court's in other parts of the world have agreed with this as well as many others.

BTW go read the actual insert inside the vaccines!

What he said was giving so many and so close can cause autism....

Which DOCTOR Carson agreed with.

Now go get your shots comrades.

Hold on, hold on. Gustofer cleared it all up: the MD and the pediatric neurosurgeon don't know what they are talking about. They don't know a fucking thing.

There. That settles that.

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Originally posted by Loganspawn:
What he said was giving so many and so close can cause autism....

Which there is exactly zero scientific basis to believe.

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Originally posted by Loganspawn:
Which DOCTOR Carson agreed with.

Really? Carson said "we have extremely well-documented proof that there is no autism associated with vaccinations."

All he did was agree it might not be the best idea to give the shots all at once, NOT that doing so causes autism. (By the way, as far as I can tell, there isn't really any scientific basis for this belief, either. There are risks to vaccinations, but I haven't seen any evidence that giving multiple vaccinations at once increases the risk beyond that of giving the individual vaccines separately.)

The rates are going up because the standards in which how autism is diagnosed have changed. That made the numbers go up.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by maladat:
Are we not allowed to criticize Trump just because he is the leading Republican candidate right now? That kind of blanket immunity from criticism gets a lot of flak here when it occurs in the media with a Democratic figure, are we going to do the same thing?

Oh, please. There's plenty of criticism of Donald Trump in this forum. I am addressing your remarks, specifically.

That you would even consider Trump's uninformed misapprehension about something like vaccines and autism to be a factor in his ability to be president is just plain silly.

He's willing to accept, apparently without reservation, a position based on an irrational, emotional, sensationalist argument that is demonstrably false.

Sure, it doesn't really make a difference whether or not the President believes vaccines cause autism or not. But what about if and when he accepts an emotional, sensationalist position on something that DOES matter, without stopping to think critically about the issue?

^^^ So to you that is more important than the Mexicans, Hondurans, Guatemalans pouring over our border? And mixed in with the uneducated, unskilled, unhealthy -- highly dependent -- masses are drug gangs, thugs, psychos, criminals of all sort, and, no doubt, terrorists.

But your focus is his belief that too many inoculations delivered in a short time may cause autism.

That seems, just on the face of it, irrational, emotional, and a sensationalistic argument.

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by Loganspawn:
What he said was giving so many and so close can cause autism....

Which there is exactly zero scientific basis to believe.

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Originally posted by Loganspawn:
Which DOCTOR Carson agreed with.

Really? Carson said "we have extremely well-documented proof that there is no autism associated with vaccinations."

All he did was agree it might not be the best idea to give the shots all at once, NOT that doing so causes autism. (By the way, as far as I can tell, there isn't really any scientific basis for this belief, either. There are risks to vaccinations, but I haven't seen any evidence that giving multiple vaccinations at once increases the risk beyond that of giving the individual vaccines separately.)

You drink your cool-aid I will fill my own.

Don't forget not long ago everyone agreed smoking was not harmful either.

Dont forget you are a whack job if you dont believe in man made global warming or think the government is spying on you as well. Hell you probably dont believe woman are just the same as men.

Zero evidence my ass.

I suppose you truly believe drinking hazardous materials such as Fluoride save teeth as well?

I think maladat's underlying point is reasonable.

for instance, I'd treat a Birther with similar skepticism (at the very least).

this topic doesn't concern me too much, but it does show that he has or had a kooky opinion or two.

fair enough.

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Originally posted by maladat:
He's willing to accept, apparently without reservation, a position based on an irrational, emotional, sensationalist argument that is demonstrably false.

Sure, it doesn't really make a difference whether or not the President believes vaccines cause autism or not. But what about if and when he accepts an emotional, sensationalist position on something that DOES matter, without stopping to think critically about the issue?

Look around, maladat. Who else is speaking the truth about the issues our country is facing? I don't give half a shit about what Trump thinks about the relationship between vaccines and autism or what anyone feels are the implications of his reasoning on the subject.
It just doesn't matter to me and you know it doesn't matter to a LOT of people right now.

And we are not going to go off on a tangent about vaccines in this thread. Not another word about it, please.

If you want something to worry about, try this:

New White House Campaign Will Encourage Legal Immigrants to Become Citizens

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09...itizenship.html?_r=0

White House officials announced the start of a nationwide campaign on Thursday to encourage legal immigrants to become American citizens, which could add millions of voters to the electorate in time for the presidential election next year.

With about 8.8 million legal residents in the country who are eligible to become citizens, White House officials said they were trying to make it easier to complete the final steps to citizenship.

The United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, the federal agency in charge of naturalizations, will offer practice tests on cellphones for the civics exam that immigrants must pass, but which many find daunting, and will hold preparatory workshops in rural areas. Applicants will also be able to pay the fee — still a hefty $680 — with a credit card.

The White House is working with regional immigrant groups to organize more than 70 citizenship workshops and about 200 naturalization ceremonies in the coming week alone. Four citizenship ambassadors have been named, including Fernando Valenzuela, the Mexican-born former pitcher for the Los Angeles Dodgers who recently became an American citizen after many years in the United States.

the White House is also aware of federal figures showing that about 60 percent of immigrants eligible to naturalize are Latino and about 20 percent are Asian, both groups that voted overwhelmingly for President Obama. Nearly a third of legal permanent residents eligible to naturalize are Mexican.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Look around, maladat. Who else is speaking the truth about the issues our country is facing?

He certainly is willing to say a lot of things that most politicians won't and that resonate with many conservatives.

That in itself is not necessarily a qualification for the position of President, but I am glad those issues are getting more public attention and discussion.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
And we are not going to go off on a tangent about vaccines in this thread. Not another word about it, please.

Fair enough, I won't mention it again in this thread.

What I saw was that Trump thought the vaccines were given in too big a dose. Rather than 1 mega dose he says break it down to 3 smaller doses. Same amount of vaccine but spread it out and avoid the initial shock. Makes sense to me.

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...-event/?intcmp=hpbt2

It's disgusting and pathetic how Fix News keeps trying to make something out of nothing. When Trump made his "face" remark about Fiorina, Fix News ran a headline of "THE LAST STRAW??".

Well, no, it wasn't "the last straw", you Jeb-loving frauds. This won't be "the last straw", either, despite your efforts to take down the guy who was mean to your precious little Malibu Barbie talking head.

Wow, 'Trump takes heat for not correcting' some dude who claims obama is a muslim. Implying that this is a major crisis for Trump is REALLY stretching it, especially when the preponderance of evidence supports the notion that he IS a muslim.

McCain had some little old lady fearfully proclaim that obama was a muslim during the 2008 election, to which McCain ASSURED her that he wasn't. I think that was a set-up by the obama campaign - tricking the Republican candidate to assure his base that he was a 'Christian.'

It amazes me how much Foxnews is out to 'get' Trump. They have lost a LOT of their (limited) 'fair and balanced' cred over the past few months. There is little to separate them from CNN anymore.

Faux News has really upped the ante on the Trump attacks. The last couple of days, every talking head, all the time. It's so obvious they are anti Trump, & they will push Carson or Fiorina all day.

What a shame that we can't get fact based reporting from ANYBODY.