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Originally posted by sigspecops:
There will be a massive change to the demographic here and the dems control the votes. We can't win elections anymore. No grassroots movements or new patriot parties are going to get us out of this mess. We either find a way to separate or we just go on beating our heads against the wall.

Been saying for some time that our nation is in serious trouble. And it gets worse every single day.

We have social networking companies that are systematically blocking access to those with whom they disagree. We have massive voter fraud in the presidential election, with lots of film footage proving the fraud, but the lame stream media ignores it, or classifies it as not accurate, etc.

So called "voting machines" that are programmed to record votes for one candidate to his opponent. Widely known, with tons of proof, and yet nothing is done. And at the end, the presidency is thrown to the actual loser.

Peaceful demonstrations are infiltrated by Antifa and others who assault/kill demonstrators with whom they disagree and nothing is done. Peaceful demonstrations in favor of the president are disrupted by imported enemies of our nation and nothing is done, even when those peaceful demonstrators are killed or seriously injured.

Just to name a few issues. One has to wonder if it is too late to save our nation, at least as we have known it for many years.

We have mayors of large cities who allow their cities to be invaded and damaged/destroyed by so-called demonstrators without taking any action to stop the destruction.

Given the massive fraud in the last "election" I am forced to wonder if the USA will ever recover.

I have a grandson who is active duty SF, and those guys are not happy, either. I cannot comment on the situation in the regular army as I have no source for information.

If biden and company do as they have said they would, we will experience millions more illegals stampeding into the USA. Nobody really knows how many are already here, but there seems to be a belief that it is more than 20 million, add another 20+ million and we can predict with some certainty that there will be a lot of cities in this country that will turn into federally funded ghettos. How about the move to allow those illegals the right to vote? Not to mention who they would elect!

I wonder if you google this thread title and “we will never again”, how many times it has been used in the last 12 hours since the boss said he no longer wants to hear it?

Some of you guys need to man up. Stop worrying about what Slow Joe is going to do. Start thinking about what you’re going to do.

Stop letting these guys live rent free in your head. They can do what every they want. Their plan only works if you allow it. Stop wasting time and energy posting pictures from fake news sites of UBL and Lindsey Graham.

Simply say “I’m in”. We ll get to where we are going. You just have to stop the constant daily affirmations that you’re more scared of Slow Joe than he is of you. That’s step one.....

Edited having been so very wrong.
I was looking for a list of those that voted in favor of the certification.
What I found and posted was just the opposite.

These are the Good Guy’s.

Here’s the Full List of Republican, Members of Congress Who Objected to the Electoral College Vote

Thanks for the link Kimber

I've talked about options I think need to be addressed by the Republicans in other threads. There is one other idea I'd like to bring up. Tradition. The corner stone of conservative philosophy. The American people in greater numbers are walking away from traditional values. I remember years ago I watched my brother being installed as Master of Silver State Lodge #95. This brought two Grand Lodge officers to speak. One was a younger guy, and the other was old. The younger argued this institution is dying we need to change. Perhaps we need to be less secretive and use recruiting techniques. I was shocked how the old guy responded without any decorum at all. The old way was what makes us special he argued. Today the Masonic Lodge is losing 50,000 per year. Same with traditional churches. I have no idea how we can turn this around but our message delivery and content needs to change. Our message clearly works on us old guys, but its falling short among the younger generations and women.

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Originally posted by TAllen01:

What are you doing posting in this thread anyway?

The people on to you here all know you’re just DELIGHTED...tickled absolutely pink that Trump lost.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
We lost the war long ago.
The list is long.
Each vote was a vote against maintaining a free and fair election.
Each vote was a vote against maintaining the Constitution.
Yet, these Politicians claimed to hold conservative pro-American values.

Here’s the Full List of Republican, Members of Congress Who Objected to the Electoral College Vote

I'll freely admit I'm confused here. These senators and representatives objected to the seating of electors from PA and AZ due to questions about the validity of the vote in those states. How is this a vote against maintaining a fair election? If they do not believe the election in those states was fair then why should they certify it?

I agree to an extent...but

Just a few things running through my head

Dont get sad, get angry, but in your anger do not sin (dont let your anger cause you to act stupidly). Use it to motivate you to fight (Im still figuring out what the "fight" is...)

Rely more on God and yourself, not on other people to help you.

A lot of good R's were voted in this last round: Madison Cawthorn (NC), Lauren Boebert (CO), Tomy Tuberville: these are the type of true conservatives we need to re-populate the R party with. Before him, Dan Crenshaw, Matt Gaetz. We need more Jim Jordans.

A third party is a bust. Let the Dems eat themselves: I think Biden wont move left quickly enough and they will destroy the democrat party. "If you sit by a river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by."

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
The time for words is over. The time for peaceful resolution is over.

We cannot vote for change. Votes are meaningless.

Voting is nothing more than a civics theater.

https://itnshow.com/2021/01/05...leonardo-implicated/


Election Manipulation Carried Out By 25-Year State Dept. Employee From 2nd Floor Of U.S. Embassy Rome – Italian Defense Company Leonardo Implicated



Read: Affidavit Delivered To Congress Yesterday Declaring Confession Of Election Interference By Italian Defense Contractor Employee


https://itnshow.com/2021/01/07...contractor-employee/

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Originally posted by goose5:
I've talked about options I think need to be addressed by the Republicans in other threads. There is one other idea I'd like to bring up. Tradition. The corner stone of conservative philosophy. The American people in greater numbers are walking away from traditional values. I remember years ago I watched my brother being installed as Master of Silver State Lodge #95. This brought two Grand Lodge officers to speak. One was a younger guy, and the other was old. The younger argued this institution is dying we need to change. Perhaps we need to be less secretive and use recruiting techniques. I was shocked how the old guy responded without any decorum at all. The old way was what makes us special he argued. Today the Masonic Lodge is losing 50,000 per year. Same with traditional churches. I have no idea how we can turn this around but our message delivery and content needs to change. Our message clearly works on us old guys, but its falling short among the younger generations and women.

So conservatives need to abandon conservatism in order to save conservatism. Check. Got it.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by TAllen01:

What are you doing posting in this thread anyway?

The people on to you here all know you’re just DELIGHTED...tickled absolutely pink that Trump lost.

And he's not the only one. Quite a few Biden voters in this thread now coming in here and lecturing us how we can save the Republican party. Pretty rich. And quite unwelcome.

The Republican party is entirely useless. Pretending to be the loyal opposition is just silly after Trump demonstrated what a real alternate party might accomplish. A strong third party can break the uni-party monopoly. There is no going back now that the deep state has been exposed. Anyone falling for the RINO rhetoric might as well vote for Democrats.

That was very bold of social media to go from deplatforming problematic people like Alex Jones and Milo to a sitting US president in only 18 months.

Every action in this world will bear a consequence. If big tech doesn’t think conservatives and libertarians will remember this they are kidding themselves. Leftists control the media and are power drunk but they should remember the precedent they are right now setting. One day the shoe will be on the other foot and they are setting a UTTERLY HORRIFIC example.

A third party would work if it drew away equal numbers of both R and D voters, but I dont think even moderate D voters would ever join a party Trump voters started.

The third party candidate has caused multiple R's to lose (most recently Sen Perdue in GA; Bush senior, bco Perot; and a VA governor race (McAwful, not black face baby murderer)

I think the hardcore left shift of the D party will continue and even accelerate, causing moderate Ds to either vote R, or not vote at all

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Originally posted by bdylan:
The Republican party is entirely useless. Pretending to be the loyal opposition is just silly after Trump demonstrated what a real alternate party might accomplish. A strong third party can break the uni-party monopoly. There is no going back now that the deep state has been exposed. Anyone falling for the RINO rhetoric might as well vote for Democrats.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:


So conservatives need to abandon conservatism in order to save conservatism. Check. Got it.

And you sound exactly like the old Mason presiding over the loss of 50,000 members per year. You sound exactly like that pastor presiding of millions of lost members in the last two decades. The only constant is change. We need to take inventory of what is helping us, and what is hurting us. I'm confident the first list is much longer than the last. That is if your interested in remaining a viable political party in an ever changing world. Or you can dig your heals in and continue to lose or change and compete. The choice is yours.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

So conservatives need to abandon conservatism in order to save conservatism. Check. Got it.

I took goose5’s statement more as not abandoning conservatism, but changing/updating how the messaging gets out. How to appeal to the younger generation. My thoughts, unfortunately, are that a lot of the younger generation needs to learn some major life lessons/mature more before their thinking will change.

To add to my above statement, I believe one reason Trump was so successful was that he reached out directly to his supporters via Twitter and other non-traditional sources. He bypassed any slant or spin that normal media outlets would normally inject. That is but one new way of thinking. Problem was, too many saw that as non-traditional or even non-Presidential.

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Originally posted by thunderson:

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
We lost the war long ago.
The list is long.
Each vote was a vote against maintaining a free and fair election.
Each vote was a vote against maintaining the Constitution.
Yet, these Politicians claimed to hold conservative pro-American values.

Here’s the Full List of Republican, Members of Congress Who Objected to the Electoral College Vote

I'll freely admit I'm confused here. These senators and representatives objected to the seating of electors from PA and AZ due to questions about the validity of the vote in those states. How is this a vote against maintaining a fair election? If they do not believe the election in those states was fair then why should they certify it?

WOW!

How could I have read that so wrong.

“ Senators who voted in favor of the objection: “

I think each and everyone of us needs to be a part of the voting/polling process... from sunup to well after sundown. Then man up and confront anyone they see that’s committing treason, which is what I call fraudulent polling practices. Also, confront your legislatures regarding the use and fair auditing of electronic polling machines.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:

WOW!

How could I have read that so wrong.

“ Senators who voted in favor of the objection: “

WHEW! I thought there was something I missed. Thanks for posting the list. It's still good information.

bowser said dc needs to be made a state. she's obviously got ambition in her future.