A third party would work if it drew away equal numbers of both R and D voters, but I dont think even moderate D voters would ever join a party Trump voters started.

The third party candidate has caused multiple R's to lose (most recently Sen Perdue in GA; Bush senior, bco Perot; and a VA governor race (McAwful, not black face baby murderer)

I think the hardcore left shift of the D party will continue and even accelerate, causing moderate Ds to either vote R, or not vote at all

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Originally posted by bdylan:
The Republican party is entirely useless. Pretending to be the loyal opposition is just silly after Trump demonstrated what a real alternate party might accomplish. A strong third party can break the uni-party monopoly. There is no going back now that the deep state has been exposed. Anyone falling for the RINO rhetoric might as well vote for Democrats.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:


So conservatives need to abandon conservatism in order to save conservatism. Check. Got it.

And you sound exactly like the old Mason presiding over the loss of 50,000 members per year. You sound exactly like that pastor presiding of millions of lost members in the last two decades. The only constant is change. We need to take inventory of what is helping us, and what is hurting us. I'm confident the first list is much longer than the last. That is if your interested in remaining a viable political party in an ever changing world. Or you can dig your heals in and continue to lose or change and compete. The choice is yours.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

So conservatives need to abandon conservatism in order to save conservatism. Check. Got it.

I took goose5’s statement more as not abandoning conservatism, but changing/updating how the messaging gets out. How to appeal to the younger generation. My thoughts, unfortunately, are that a lot of the younger generation needs to learn some major life lessons/mature more before their thinking will change.

To add to my above statement, I believe one reason Trump was so successful was that he reached out directly to his supporters via Twitter and other non-traditional sources. He bypassed any slant or spin that normal media outlets would normally inject. That is but one new way of thinking. Problem was, too many saw that as non-traditional or even non-Presidential.

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Originally posted by thunderson:

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
We lost the war long ago.
The list is long.
Each vote was a vote against maintaining a free and fair election.
Each vote was a vote against maintaining the Constitution.
Yet, these Politicians claimed to hold conservative pro-American values.

Here’s the Full List of Republican, Members of Congress Who Objected to the Electoral College Vote

I'll freely admit I'm confused here. These senators and representatives objected to the seating of electors from PA and AZ due to questions about the validity of the vote in those states. How is this a vote against maintaining a fair election? If they do not believe the election in those states was fair then why should they certify it?

WOW!

How could I have read that so wrong.

“ Senators who voted in favor of the objection: “

I think each and everyone of us needs to be a part of the voting/polling process... from sunup to well after sundown. Then man up and confront anyone they see that’s committing treason, which is what I call fraudulent polling practices. Also, confront your legislatures regarding the use and fair auditing of electronic polling machines.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:

WOW!

How could I have read that so wrong.

“ Senators who voted in favor of the objection: “

WHEW! I thought there was something I missed. Thanks for posting the list. It's still good information.

bowser said dc needs to be made a state. she's obviously got ambition in her future.

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Originally posted by Erick85:
I believe one reason Trump was so successful was that he reached out directly to his supporters via Twitter and other non-traditional sources. He bypassed any slant or spin that normal media outlets would normally inject. That is but one new way of thinking. Problem was, too many saw that as non-traditional or even non-Presidential.

Yes... and now Twitter has banned him for that exact reason.
The stated reason, that he was inciting a riot, was BS and everyone knows it.
Now, it's going to be much harder for any right thinking conservative candidate to connect directly with supporters.

Thanks for correcting me.

I still can’t find a simple list of Republican’s who favored certification of Fraudulent Electoral College Votes.

Should be a simple list to find.
Who were the Turncoat’s?
Who should we hold accountable in Primaries.

Seems like a simple question, many would have.
Who to never vote for again.

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Originally posted by Erick85:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

So conservatives need to abandon conservatism in order to save conservatism. Check. Got it.

I took goose5’s statement more as not abandoning conservatism, but changing/updating how the messaging gets out. How to appeal to the younger generation. My thoughts, unfortunately, are that a lot of the younger generation needs to learn some major life lessons/mature more before their thinking will change.

Exactly. Nothing needs to be kicked out of the platform. Just learn what to put on the front burner, and what needs to be placed on the back burner. Learn different forms of outreach and messaging. I have to tell you the Republican party here in Colorado is absolutely terrible. There is lots of room for improvement.

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Originally posted by az4783054:
bowser said dc needs to be made a state. she's obviously got ambition in her future.

She already is coming off a successful run on Sha Na Na

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Originally posted by AzMikeCFD102:
https://itnshow.com/2021/01/05...leonardo-implicated/

Election Manipulation Carried Out By 25-Year State Dept. Employee From 2nd Floor Of U.S. Embassy Rome – Italian Defense Company Leonardo Implicated

Read: Affidavit Delivered To Congress Yesterday Declaring Confession Of Election Interference By Italian Defense Contractor Employee


https://itnshow.com/2021/01/07...contractor-employee/

AzMikeCFD102, I've also been following this. I'm about ten minutes in to the audio on the link in your
post. It sounds like President Trump knows about it now. This could be one of the main reasons for the
social media shutdown. Whether it goes anywhere or not, it's some very interesting information. I'm concerned about some of the people she named that are supposedly trying to help. Maybe we'll see.

No worries. I'm sure the Republican party will go to war for us...just be good citizens and be sure to vote for your favorite 'approved' candidate in the future.

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Thanks for correcting me.

I still can’t find a simple list of Republican’s who favored certification of Fraudulent Electoral College Votes.

Should be a simple list to find.
Who were the Turncoat’s?
Who should we hold accountable in Primaries.

Seems like a simple question, many would have.
Who to never vote for again.

ALL OF THEM

None of them made enough of a stink about the steal. They were all complacent in the face of outright fraud. They all should have been screaming at the top of there lungs "We will not let this Republic be stolen from us!"

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Originally posted by Erick85:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

So conservatives need to abandon conservatism in order to save conservatism. Check. Got it.

I took goose5’s statement more as not abandoning conservatism, but changing/updating how the messaging gets out. How to appeal to the younger generation. My thoughts, unfortunately, are that a lot of the younger generation needs to learn some major life lessons/mature more before their thinking will change.

They also need to be taught basic Civics and American and World History (beyond just Current Events). Today's young people are woefully ignorant of how this country was built and how it's supposed to work.

Regarding statehood for DC, it should not happen. DC was created as the seat of the federal government and cannot have a separate set of legislators. I believe it would be unconstitutional to make it a state. I've argued for a long time that no one should actually live in DC, and if there were no residents there would be no impetus to make it a state. Any residents of DC should simply be allowed to vote in Maryland, which is where all the land now DC was taken from.

Regarding statehood for Puerto Rico. I don't think that is a good idea, either. The last thing we need in this country is a state that does not have English as its principal language. (I didn't say "official", although I support making English the official US language.)

Of course, the main reason that Democrats want to make DC and PR states is that they expect it would add 4 permanent Democrat Senators, which with the current close margins would mean no Republican would ever be in charge. This must not happen.

flashguy

I may get flamed for this. But I really don't understand why republicans, even RINOs, would prefer to have Biden in office over Trump. It can't be just "I don't like him personally" or "He's not really a establishment politician" because he should at least the lessor of evils. Is there something about Trump's policies to date? Things that disfavor the RINOs politically or financially (either publicly or personally)?

I'm having some difficulty following and figuring it out. I'd really like to understand this better. And also figure out where my House rep stands.

Well, you kinda answer part of your own question. Professional politicians. They‘re Rinos...dems cloaked as repubs. Spies.

As for the local folks, we all have to listen, watch their words and deeds. Get in their face and hold them accountable, spread the word.

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Regarding statehood for DC, it should not happen. DC was created as the seat of the federal government and cannot have a separate set of legislators. I believe it would be unconstitutional to make it a state. I've argued for a long time that no one should actually live in DC, and if there were no residents there would be no impetus to make it a state. Any residents of DC should simply be allowed to vote in Maryland, which is where all the land now DC was taken from.

I agree with you but I think it was taken part from Maryland and part from Virginia.

The new federal territory was named District of Columbia to honour explorer Christopher Columbus, and the new federal city was named for George Washington. In 1790 French-born American engineer and designer Pierre Charles L’Enfant was chosen to plan the new capital city; meanwhile, surveyor Andrew Ellicott surveyed the 100-square-mile (260-square-km) territory with the assistance of Benjamin Banneker, a self-educated free Black man. The territory surveyed by Ellicott was ceded by Maryland, a slave state, and Virginia, the Southern state with the largest slave population, thus contributing to a significant Black presence in Washington.

https://www.britannica.com/pla...ashington-DC/History

He was/is disliked because he was a "common" man, not one of the chosen few higher class politicians. He didn't play their Reindeer Games. He was in it for the good of the American people, not for greed and power like the rest of the ruling class.