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So the GOP Senate limited the payout to $600 and Donny wants to appease the Demo House with a $2000 payout.

Yes, after the other shit is cut out of it.

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The bump from $600 to $2000 will cost approximately a half a trillion!

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Well, now, I think cutting out payments to illegal fucking aliens, among other things, would offset that.

Here is an even better idea. $2k per household and nothing else. Zero, zip, nada, zilch. Not only will it save tons and tons, but the bill will be thinned down to a single page from the 5000+ page monstrosity. But no, leave it to the assholes in Congress to continue to screw the country.

There is so much misinformation about where and how this fight continues. I don’t think it’s defeatist to have a firm understanding of the battlefields where this fight continues. For the record, I believe like most here this election was stolen with ample fraud to affect the outcome. The key question in all of this is why are the people that can do something about this, not doing anything about this? I make the assumption as a free American that righteousness and justice are fundamental to our core and that an election that more than half the country believes was tainted would not be allowed to stand. I am witnessing the complete opposite with my very own eyes. If this stands, our country has been “fundamentally transformed”.

Here are the options left IMO.

Option 1 - State legislators can decertify the electors that are currently certified for Jan 6th. So far it’s only been theater, no assembly has been scheduled for a vote.

Option 2 - US Supreme Court. So far I haven’t seen any election cases on the docket scheduled to be heard. They could be involved if there is a conflict in the certification process.

Option 3 - congress meets on January 6th and members of the House and Senate object to the electors. That would force the joint session into there respective chambers to debate and vote. If successful, that could put the selection of the President into congress by state delegation and the VP in the senate. Undoubtedly, Trump & Pence are re-elected. This would require enough Dems in the house to defect for a majority vote to reject enough electors to prevent Pedo Joe from having 270 EC votes. Probably not going to happen. If you assume the Senate rejects the electors, the law is crystal fucking clear that the state certified votes get counted. Now, assume VP Pence decides not to certify the electors and chooses to say his team won. Well, this is how the US Supreme Court gets involved. Here they would be required to follow the law, which states when the two houses of congress do not agree the state certified electors are to be counted. If they want to hear a case about fraud with parties that have standing, they can schedule ones currently on the docket. I believe this whole process if it unfolds will be pure theater. It’s not the way!

Option 4 - the insurrection act. Whoa, I don’t even know where to start on this one. We would be in uncharted territory and possibly reminiscent of 1861.

I am not defeated, I will fight until a President is sworn in on January 20th and continue to fight if the pedo is sworn in. I have looked in the mirror and found my personal line in the sand. I think it’s important to understand the battlefield where this contested election continues to plays out. Our two best chances at victory lay within the state legislatures of the fraud ridden states or the US Supreme Court. Both parties have already had ample opportunity to right the wrongs to date, and both parties have passed so far.

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The key question in all of this is why are the people that can do something about this, not doing anything about this?

Indeed.

Early this morning, I read a very intriguing article comparing our current status with Orwell's 1984 vs Huxley's Brave New World. Somehow I can't find it in this thread, as it was very appropriate commentary.

While Brave New World was the analogy that took the discussion, the next tiny step is towards Lord of the Flies.

God Help Us.

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There is so much misinformation about where and how this fight continues...
Here are the options left IMO...

Good analysis, dking271.
The State legislatures are where this should have found redress. But the State legislators in the cheating States failed to step up to the plate.

Georgia Governor: ‘Signature Audit’ Results of Election Are Almost Ready
By Jack Phillips
December 23, 2020 Updated: December 23, 2020

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...reaking-2020-12-23-2


Gov. Brian Kemp announced the results of the state’s signature verification audit should be released Wednesday or Thursday—coming after Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) made the announcement.

“The law in Georgia is that the secretary of state has the constitutional authority,” Kemp told Fox News on Wednesday. “He finally ordered the signature audit. I’m glad he did. I offered to allow the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, which is under my purview, to assist in that.”

Kemp was referring to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger ordering the signature audit, adding he is “very confident” in the process. The audit will include signatures for mail-in ballots for Georgia’s 159 counties.

Since the Nov. 3 election, President Donald Trump and other Republicans like Graham, the head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, have pushed for Georgia to conduct a signature audit.

According to Kemp, the University of Georgia involved itself in the auditing process in each county.

“Hopefully we will know today or perhaps in the morning what the results of that are, and that should give great confidence,” said Kemp on the show. “No one has worked harder down here in Georgia to support this president’s reelection than myself,” said Kemp. “I continue to support his and any candidate’s legal actions post-election, which is what the law allows for.”

Kemp was referring to the frequent criticism lodged at him by Trump and other Republicans over the past month or so. They have said Kemp hasn’t done enough while calling on the Republican governor to call a special legislative session so the state House and Senate can vote to affirm their own electors; Kemp has refused to do so.

On Tuesday evening, Graham tweeted that he was briefed about Georgia’s “signature verification system.”

“From what I’ve been told, sounds like they now have a credible process in place to do a signature audit,” he wrote, without elaborating. “Look forward to hearing the results!”

A lawyer for Trump on Dec. 1 wrote to Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger for the “immediate audit” of tens of thousands of ballots.

“The Trump Campaign estimates that between 38,250 and 45,626 illegal votes from the absentee ballots alone were cast in the state of Georgia—far beyond the Biden-Harris ticket’s current margin of 12,670 votes,” according to a news release from Trump’s team at the time.

Raffensberger has frequently denied claims of irregularities and fraud lodged by the Trump team.

“There are those who are exploiting the emotions of many Trump supporters with fantastic claims, half-truths, misinformation, and frankly, they are misleading the President as well, apparently,” Raffensberger said several weeks ago, adding that a post-election audit—without signature verification—showed a fair election.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Georgia Governor: ‘Signature Audit’ Results of Election Are Almost Ready
By Jack Phillips
December 23, 2020 Updated: December 23, 2020

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...reaking-2020-12-23-2

Unless there were Trump's team members present during the process, the result will be just like their sham recount.

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“Hopefully we will know today or perhaps in the morning what the results of that are, and that should give great confidence,” said Kemp on the show. “No one has worked harder down here in Georgia to support this president’s reelection than myself,” said Kemp.

Uh huh, sure...

^^^^^^

Bullshit Kemp...

You've done no more than Stacey Abrams would have done if she had won the gubernatorial election...you're a fraud and a disgrace.

Serbian Man Warns Americans, Explains what Socialism did to his Country




"Right now they are as weak as they'll be, you are as strong as you will be..."

This from just after Election Day, kinda heavy accent, emotional to be sure. Watch this.

(First Bitchute embed, here's hoping..)

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Georgia Governor: ‘Signature Audit’ Results of Election Are Almost Ready
By Jack Phillips
December 23, 2020 Updated: December 23, 2020

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...reaking-2020-12-23-2

Unless there were Trump's team members present during the process, the result will be just like their sham recount.

Exactly. These assholes got caught with their pants down and they're doing everything they can to cover it up.

I'd bet a bullet in my head that if a revote was held and only legitimate voters verified by government issued photo ID with verifiable physical addresses were allowed to vote that Trump wouldn't just win, he'd win by a large margin. I'll take that bet any day if someone on the other side matches the wager. I'll even provide the gun and bullet if they don't have em.

Here is the direct link to the excellent video that Ripley posted above -

https://www.bitchute.com/video/QWjt8WlCjK2m/

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According to Kemp, the University of Georgia involved itself in the auditing process in each county.

Oh, that’s just great!
The education system was the start of our nations downfall.
They corrupted our education system to teach Liberalism and Hate America First.

Why don’t they just get the good folks in Atlanta working at CNN to help count.

Another Win!!

Trump just vetoed the NDAA.

Now what are the idiots in both chambers going to do? They have been called out and have had their "work" given a failing grade.

Trump NDAA Veto Letter

^^^ They're going to override his veto. That's what they're going to do.

Do you think they can get 2/3's in the house?

I don't think they will now that the filth of this document has been exposed.

If they do override, that will be one of the last nails in the Republican Party's casket.

It takes 2/3rds of both chambers to override a Presidential veto. I don’t think that is possible given the division currently.

I just read the article in the Air Force Association newsletter

I'm glad he vetoed it and I don't think they can get an override vote passed

good for him - and some dem bastard said he didn't care about the military and their families - really, the dems have been trying to dismantle the military for years and went out of their way to make sure military votes were shuffled to the garbage can

Trump Vetoes 2021 Defense Policy Bill
Dec. 23, 2020 | By Rachel S. Cohen

President Donald J. Trump vetoed the $741 billion defense policy bill on Dec. 23 after threatening to derail the bipartisan annual legislation. Congress has pledged to override the veto in votes next week.

“I am returning, without my approval, H.R. 6395 … My administration recognizes the importance of the act to our national security. Unfortunately, the act fails to include critical national security measures, includes provisions that fail to respect our veterans and our military’s history, and contradicts efforts by my administration to put America first in our national security and foreign policy actions. It is a ‘gift’ to China and Russia,” the President wrote.

The fiscal 2021 legislation authorizes $740.5 billion in spending for the Pentagon and other national security programs through Sept. 30, 2021. It hit last-minute hurdles as Trump demanded Congress include an unrelated provision to end legal protections for social media companies. He also opposes the bill over its language to start the process of renaming military installations that honor Confederate icons, like Fort Bragg, N.C.

The National Defense Authorization Act was set to become law at midnight Dec. 24 if President Donald J. Trump did not act on it sooner. Both chambers of Congress passed the bill earlier this month, starting a 10-day countdown during which the President needed to sign or reject the measure before it was automatically enacted.

The NDAA is seen as must-pass legislation because it enables specialty combat pay that affects thousands of military families, among other key provisions. It has been signed into law every year for nearly six decades with bipartisan support and the backing of the President.

The House and Senate are respectively set to return to Washington and hold override votes on Dec. 28 and 29, a House aide confirmed. Another congressional staffer said a “pocket veto”— in which a presidential rejection kills a bill because Congress is out of session and cannot override the decision—is not in play because lawmakers can accept a veto during pro forma sessions.

There’s no hard deadline to hold those override votes, the congressional staffer said Dec. 23, though the arrival of a new Congress on Jan. 3, 2021, does complicate matters. If the NDAA has not wrapped up by then, lawmakers could briefly delay gaveling in the new session until the bill is finalized. If still not done once the 117th Congress takes office, the staffer believes that a new group of lawmakers would have to retrace the steps of the legislative process to again send it to Trump’s desk.

If the NDAA is not in place by New Year’s Day, the lapse could derail funding for the Navy’s Columbia-class nuclear submarines, civilian employee pay, military construction projects, and more, the congressional staffer said. It may also halt operations at Armed Forces Retirement Homes.

Trump’s decision has frustrated Republican allies who tried to convince him to follow through on signing the bill.

“The NDAA has become law every year for 59 years straight because it’s absolutely vital to our national security and our troops. This year must not be an exception. Our men and women who volunteer to wear the uniform shouldn’t be denied what they need—ever,” Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a Dec. 23 release.

Inhofe urged lawmakers to find another legislative vehicle to repeal Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act as Trump wanted to do in the NDAA.

“Trump has made it clear that he does not care about the needs of our military personnel and their families,” said Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), head of the House Armed Services Committee. “If the FY21 NDAA does not become law, more than 100,000 federal employees will be deprived of the paid parental leave benefits they deserve, necessary military construction projects will not move forward on schedule, and our service members who are in harm’s way defending our country’s principles will not have access to the hazard pay they are owed.”

Defense industry players also quickly began to decry the move.

“There is no more essential duty for the American government than to ensure the safety and security of its people. The President’s veto undermines our national security preparedness and jeopardizes the jobs of Americans who make up our defense industrial base at a time when the country is in crisis,” Aerospace Industries Association President and Chief Executive Officer Eric Fanning said in a release. “We urge Congress to prioritize national security and override this veto.”

Pardons and Clemency

OAN Newsroom
UPDATED 8:18 AM PT – Wednesday, December 23, 2020

President Trump issued another round of pardons for the recent victims of politically motivated prosecutions. In a sweeping decision on Tuesday, the President pardoned 15 people and commuted the sentences of five others.

Among them were two former congressmen, Chris Collins (R-N.Y.) and Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.). Collins was sentenced to over two years in federal prison for helping his son and others dodge $800,000 in stock market losses. This came after learning that a drug trial by a small pharmaceutical company had failed. Hunter, on the other hand, was sentenced to 11 months for misusing $150,000 in campaign funds for his own personal expenses.

“I think this president knows what a political witch-hunt looks like,” Hunter said. “He saw through the political baloney, God bless him. There’s no better Christmas present, especially for my family.”

In a statement, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said the pardons were largely recommended by several members of Congress.

The President also pardoned former Ukraine lobbyist Alex van der Zwaan and his 2016 campaign advisor George Papadopoulos. Van der Zwaan and Papadopoulos are the third and fourth defendants in the Russia investigation to be granted clemency.

The move is part of a larger effort by President Trump to correct the wrong that special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation inflicted on half a dozen of his associates.

Additionally, the President issued pardons for four former employees of Blackwater Security Consulting, who were convicted on charges related to civilian casualties in Iraq in 2007. Other pardons and commutations involved small drug and non-violent offenses.

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“There is no more essential duty for the American government than to ensure the safety and security of its people.

The 2.5 trillion dollar pork bill will ensure every country and every stupid special interest on the planet will get more than Americans.

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Do you think they can get 2/3's in the house?

I don't think they will now that the filth of this document has been exposed.

If they do override, that will be one of the last nails in the Republican Party's casket.

We're not talking about the COVID spending bill that just passed. We're talking about the defense bill that passed weeks ago.

Two different things, amigo.