No shit? Wow... Thanks for giving me no credit. I know what it is and what is in it (based on summaries I have read).

Look at the link I provided with highlighted portions of the veto letter to congress.

It is loaded with crap that Trump has been against for as long as I can remember.

The WuFlu relief bill is far worse and hope he vetos that as well.

My bad. Apologies.

Not sure the public at large though was thinking about or gives two shits about the defense bill at this point. I still fully expect the veto to be overridden.

No problem man.

Much respect for you.

Merry Christmas.

That GA "signature verification" is being done by the same SOB who rigged it the first time. We all know how it will turn out and Kemp is nothing but a weasel.

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That GA "signature verification" is being done by the same SOB who rigged it the first time.

With all of the questions and problems surrounding these things, why aren't these recounts, verifications, etc. being done with full public access?

Instead of the public being able to witness "free and fair", they're simply going to be told that it was.

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That GA "signature verification" is being done by the same SOB who rigged it the first time.

With all of the questions and problems surrounding these things, why aren't these recounts, verifications, etc. being done with full public access?

Instead of the public being able to witness "free and fair", they're simply going to be told that it was.

When you are covering your backside you act in darkness and pass the blame around.

What is this Pence card stuff? It talks about him rejecting EC reps from the six states and kicking it to their legislatures?

https://nationalfile.com/pence...es-white-house-memo/

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I'm not a lawyer but in my opinion they can all go fuck themselves.

- I don't take orders from lawyers. Get a judge to order me.

- There's nothing to preserve. No evidence of fraud - the AG said so himself. The machines are fine, etc. Even the USSC didn't want to see any evidence.

On the other hand, if this ever did get to court, that may be the only time the actual evidence is presented.

Whatever Giuliani, Powell, and Wood have, they need to make multiple copies and spread them around.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/2...i-of-litigation.html

"Dominion Voting lawyers warn Trump attorney Giuliani of litigation over alleged smear campaign, report says:

"President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and White House counsel Pat Cipollone both have reportedly been sent letters by defamation attorneys directing them to save all records related to claims that Dominion Voting Systems played a key role allegedly swindling Trump out of an election win.

Giuliani also has been warned by Dominion’s lawyers that “litigation regarding these issues is imminent,” according to a new report by CNN, which was shown a copy of the letter.

The letters to Cipollone and Giuliani reportedly demanded that Giuliani stop “making defamatory claims against Dominion,” which makes voting machines.

Trump, his campaign lawyers and allies including attorney Sidney Powell have claimed, without evidence, that illegal vote changes made to ballot-counting machines fraudulently gave the national presidential election to Joe Biden.

Powell last week was sent a similar letter from Dominion’s lawyers about her “wild, knowingly baseless, and false accusations” about the company. The letter demanded that she retract her claims and preserve documents related to them.

Giuliani and a White House spokesman had no immediate comment when contacted by CNBC about CNN’s report. CNBC has reached out for comment from Dominion and its lawyers.

The article came on the heels of a lawsuit filed by Dominion’s security director, Eric Coomer, against the Trump campaign, Giuliani, Powell, and a number of conservative media outlets.

Coomer’s lawsuit says that he has become the target of death threats and other harmful communications because of the defendants’ false claims made about Dominion’s machines.

Dominion has posted a page on its web site entitled “Setting the Record Straight: Facts & Rumors,” to address claims about the company, which it has called “disinformation” and a threat to democracy.

“Baseless claims about the integrity of the system or the accuracy of the results have been dismissed by election authorities, subject matter experts and third-party fact-checkers,” that page says.

“Malicious and misleading false claims about Dominion have resulted in dangerous levels of threats and harassment against the company and its employees, as well as election officials.”

Biden last week was confirmed as the winner of the election by the Electoral College. Trump has refused to concede defeat."

Notice the first response to President Trump’s tweet.

Never again will I simply go along with we just have different opinions.
If you are a Democrat (Socialist) you are the enemy to America’s Constitutional Republic.
Same holds true to Deep State Republicans.

Just came across this one

President Trump pardons Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Charles Kushner and 23 others
Stone's pardon from the president comes after Trump earlier this year had commuted his sentence.

By Alex Nitzberg

Updated: December 23, 2020 - 8:29pm

President Trump pardoned 26 people on Wednesday, including Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and Charles Kushner, the father of the president's son-in-law Jared Kushner.

The move comes one day after the president pardoned 15 other people, among them, George Papadopoulos and former Rep. Duncan Hunter.

"Due to prosecutorial misconduct by Special Counsel Mueller’s team, Mr. Stone was treated very unfairly," according to a statement from the press secretary about the latest executive grants. "He was subjected to a pre-dawn raid of his home, which the media conveniently captured on camera. Mr. Stone also faced potential political bias at his jury trial. Pardoning him will help to right the injustices he faced at the hands of the Mueller investigation."

Stone's pardon from the president comes after Trump had commuted his sentence earlier this year.

"Today, President Trump has issued a full and complete pardon to Paul Manafort, stemming from convictions prosecuted in the course of Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation, which was premised on the Russian collusion hoax," the statement said. "Mr. Manafort has already spent two years in prison, including a stretch of time in solitary confinement – treatment worse than what many of the most violent criminals receive. As a result of blatant prosecutorial overreach, Mr. Manafort has endured years of unfair treatment and is one of the most prominent victims of what has been revealed to be perhaps the greatest witch hunt in American history. As Mr. Manafort’s trial judge observed, prior to the Special Counsel investigation, Mr. Manafort had led an 'otherwise blameless life.' Since May, Mr. Manafort has been released to home confinement as a result of COVID-19 concerns."

Charles Kushner, the father of Ivanka Trump's husband Jared Kushner, also received a pardon from the president.

"Since completing his sentence in 2006, Mr. Kushner has been devoted to important philanthropic organizations and causes, such as Saint Barnabas Medical Center and United Cerebral Palsy," the statement said. "This record of reform and charity overshadows Mr. Kushner’s conviction and 2 year sentence for preparing false tax returns, witness retaliation, and making false statements to the FEC."

^^^^^^^
First name on the list should have been Kyle Rittenhouse.

He was filling in where the Government and Law Enforcement failed to fulfill their duty to defend the citizens.

Where is Kyle’s name?

^^^^ I'm all for that, but, can you be pardoned if you have not been convicted, yet? Anyone knows?

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[C]an you be pardoned if you have not been convicted, yet?

Ford pardoned Nixon for whatever Watergate crimes he was guilty of. It’s generally believed that that killed his reelection (election, actually) chances.

I don’t recall any other specific examples, but it’s clearly possible.

Kyle Rittenhouse is being tried by the State of Wisconsin, no? So Trump can't pardon him. He wasn't charged by the US Government.

A Presidential Pardon is only good for Federal Crimes.

I did not know that.
I always thought it was unlimited ability to pardon.
This is what I found on a quick search:

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution grants the President of the United States the power to pardon any person convicted for or accused of federal crimes, except in cases of impeachment.

The president may not pardon persons convicted for or accused of violating state or local laws.

Through the power of “commutation of sentence,” the president may reduce or completely eliminate the prison sentences being served by persons convicted of federal crimes.

While he or she is not required to follow them, recommendations on all applications for presidential pardons must be prepared and submitted to the president by the U.S. Pardon Attorney of the Department of Justice.

Four Blackwater guards were also pardoned.

https://www.stripes.com/news/m...aq-shooting-1.656183

“2020 has been a year like no other” - Seth Holehouse

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...ative-media-n1252205

An election systems worker driven into hiding by death threats has filed a defamation lawsuit against President Donald Trump’s campaign, two of its lawyers and some conservative media figures and outlets.

Eric Coomer , security director at the Colorado-based Dominion Voting Systems, said he wants his life back after being named in false charges as a key actor in “rigging” the election for President-elect Joe Biden. There has been no evidence that the election was rigged.

His lawsuit, filed Tuesday in district court in Denver County, Colorado, names the Trump campaign, lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, conservative columnist Michelle Malkin, the website Gateway Pundit, Colorado conservative activist Joseph Oltmann, and conservative media Newsmax and One America News Network.

“I have been thrust into the public spotlight by people with political and financial agendas but, at heart, I am a private person,” Coomer said in a statement.

“While I intend to do everything I can to recapture my prior lifestyle, I have few illusions in this regard,” he said. “And so, today, I put my trust in the legal process, which has already exposed the truth of the 2020 presidential election.”

Dominion, which provided vote-counting equipment to several states, has denied accusations that it switched Trump votes in Biden’s favor, and no evidence has emerged to back those charges up.

Dominion and another voting technology company, Smartmatic, have begun to fight back against being named in baseless conspiracy theories. After legal threats were made, Fox News Channel and Newsmax in recent days have aired retractions of some claims made on their networks.

There was no immediate comment from those named in the lawsuit.

His lawyers said Coomer has become “the face of the false claims.” Coomer’s name first got public exposure in a podcast by Oltmann, who claimed to have heard a strategy call of Antifa activists. When the prospect of a Trump victory was brought up, Oltmann said a man identified as “Eric from Dominion” supposedly said “don’t worry about the election, Trump is not going to win. I made ... sure of that,” adding an expletive.

In an opinion piece written for the Denver Post, Coomer wrote that he has no connections to Antifa, was never on any call and the idea that there is some recording of him is “wholly fabricated.”

The fact-checking website Snopes said Oltmann hasn’t cooperated in any attempts to verify his claims.

Oltmann also claimed that Coomer made anti-Trump comments on Facebook. The lawsuit acknowledged that Coomer made comments critical of the president on his private Facebook page ; he now says his page is inactive.

Oltmann’s charges spread after he was interviewed by Malkin and Gateway Pundit. Eric Trump tweeted about them. OANN, and its White House correspondent Chanel Rion, reported on them. Powell, misidentifying Coomer as working for Smartmatic, said at a news conference that Coomer’s “social media is filled with hatred” for Trump, and she later repeated her charges in a Newsmax interview.

Giuliani, at a news conference, called Coomer “a vicious, vicious man. He wrote horrible things about the president ... He is completely warped,” according to the lawsuit.

Fox News Channel, another network popular with Trump supporters, is not being sued and Coomer actually uses Fox’s Tucker Carlson to buttress his case. The lawsuit notes a scheduled Powell appearance on Carlson’s show did not happen after she could not provide evidence for her charges.

Coomer told The Associated Press earlier this month that right-wing websites posted his photo, home address and details about his family. Death threats began almost immediately.

He said his father, an Army veteran, received a handwritten letter asking, “How does it feel to have a traitor for a son.”

“It’s terrifying,” Coomer said. “I’ve worked in international elections in all sorts of post-conflict countries where election violence is real and people are getting killed over it. And I feel that we’re on the verge of that.”

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could bring a lot of things out.

^^^^^

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could bring a lot of things out.

Yeah, discovery could be fun.