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wishing we were congress |
might be a repeat, but is important: David Shafer (Chair of Georgia REP Party): We were limited to 1 monitor for every 10 counting tables and we were kept some distance from the tables. There is no telling what we missed under these unreasonable restrictions. The miscounted batch had been be signed off by two official counters. Biden’s margin of victory in this batch of votes (99.9%) bested Bashar al-Assad’s 2007 margin (97.6%) and Raul Castro’s 2008 margin (99.4%). It matched Kim Jong-il’s 2009 margin (99.9%). | |||
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"every vote counts" no longer applies. | |||
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stupid beyond all belief |
We definitely need voter ID and also Voter receipts. It would create checks and balances to the system. Of course certain people block these rules... What man is a man that does not make the world better. -Balian of Ibelin Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke | |||
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Lighten up and laugh |
Also, "holding Tuesday that the law did not specify that observers had to be close enough to see details." What in the Sam Hill??? This is what PA has to offer as the highest court in the state? That is like saying a jury doesn't need to hear what is being said during a trial. Get the heck out. | |||
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Official Space Nerd |
I think it would be relatively easy to make a case for enforcing vote-in-person ONLY, UNLESS voters had compelling reason not to be present (over-seas absentee ballots, for example). Somebody else, I think on the radio, mentioned one of the problems with mail voting. In my case, there were 3 ballots received at my home. I COULD have filled out and mailed all 3, regardless of how the other 2 wanted to vote. There is nothing to prevent such abuse, other than my own conscience and ethics, and the fact that we all 3 vote the same anyway (sure, there are signatures on the ballots, but it would be ridiculously simple to find a signature for the other two to forge). I think a case could be made that 'mail in voting' violates my rights to ensure I, and ONLY I can fill out MY ballot. . . I live in Colorado - a Mail-In Voting ONLY state :-(. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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In Germany we Mark our ballot in a booth then stuff it in a box. ANYONE that feels like it can stick around as long as they wish and watch the count. This all happens in one day. If your unable to vote personally, you apply for a absentee ballot. | |||
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...t-a-recount-n2580297 President Donald J. Trump’s re-election campaign will file a petition today for a recount in two Wisconsin counties – Milwaukee and Dane – citing illegally altered absentee ballots, illegally issued absentee ballots, and illegal advice given by government officials allowing Wisconsin’s Voter ID laws to be circumvented. These two counties were selected because they are the locations of the worst irregularities. Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. transferred $3 million to Wisconsin to cover the estimated cost of the recounts. The Wisconsin Elections Commission directed Wisconsin municipal clerks to illegally alter incomplete absentee ballots contrary to Wisconsin law. Clerks were instructed that they could rely on their own “personal knowledge,” or unspecified “lists or databases at his or her disposal” to add in missing information on returned absentee ballots. Under Wisconsin law, incomplete absentee ballots may not be counted. Municipal clerks across Wisconsin issued absentee ballots to voters without requiring an application, in direct conflict with Wisconsin’s absentee voting safeguards. Wisconsin law expressly requires that absentee ballots may not be issued without receiving a written application requesting the ballot. Despite this clear mandatory requirement, clerks uniformly issued absentee ballots without collecting a written application from persons who requested absentee ballots in person during the two week in-person absentee voting period that ran from October 20, 2020 through November 1, 2020. Voter identification is an essential requirement in Wisconsin and elsewhere to ensure that only eligible voters may cast their ballots. In clear abuse of Wisconsin’s provision to issue ballots to indefinitely confined voters without requiring them to present voter identification, some Democrat county clerks illegally advised voters to illegally mischaracterize that they were indefinitely confined to circumvent Wisconsin voter ID law. Those claiming to be “indefinitely confined” rose from 72,000 in 2019 to more than 240,000 at the time of the November 3, 2020 election. A substantial number of those claiming that status were sent and then returned ballots without proper identification and without otherwise meeting the requirements for that status. “The people of Wisconsin deserve to know whether their election processes worked in a legal and transparent way. Regrettably, the integrity of the election results cannot be trusted without a recount in these two counties and uniform enforcement of Wisconsin absentee ballot requirements. We will not know the true results of the election until only the legal ballots cast are counted,” said Jim Troupis, counsel to the campaign. “We will not stop fighting for transparency and integrity in our electoral process to ensure that all Americans can trust the results of a free and fair election in Wisconsin and across the country.” The petition will be filed with the Wisconsin Elections Commission. | |||
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It's no surprise these state courts were going to slap down most if not all of Trumps law suits. Is it not just a step towards getting to the Supreme Court? BTW what factors will be considered if the Supreme Court will hear the case or not? Is Chief Justice Roberts the sole decision maker on whether or not the court will hear the case? If so that makes me uneasy. "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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Political Cynic |
I seriously hope that a great number of people lose their freedom for life over this. The government can prosecute and confine or the people will do it for them. It’s rapidly approaching the point where the people are going to rescind their consent to be governed. | |||
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safe & sound |
Does this mean when the courts (or government) in PA require a citizen to produce documents for whatever reason, the citizen can simply hold them up from across the room? Does the law say that the government actually has to hold them and read them? | |||
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I remain unwavering in my support of President Trump and just now donated again to his legal challenges. Knowing how the President has triumphed in every crucial endeavor, I believe there is a plan we cannot grasp or have the forethought to see. I am beginning to believe they (Trump and the lawyers) are waiting to pounce. Daring election boards to certify, knowing that they will just to spite The President and buoy up their side. Then, drop the hammer on them so swift and mercilessly that it would make Para's wrath look like child's play. I believe The President and his team have the indisputable evidence of foul play and fraud. Based on the 2018 EO, I believe they have been working on the set-up since then. I believe this will take down not only many in the U.S., but many around the world. Stand fast men... Prepare, but have faith. The "Boz" | |||
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Lighten up and laugh |
3 Weeks from Saturday is the 12th. I don't see how all this gets wrapped up that quickly when it hasn't really even started yet, which is a good thing. | |||
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Georgia Monitor Catches 9,626-Vote Error in Hand Recount https://www.theepochtimes.com/...reaking-2020-11-18-2 A recount monitor in Georgia discovered a 9,626-vote error in the hand recount in DeKalb County, according to the chairman of the Georgia Republican Party. “One of our monitors discovered a 9,626-vote error in the DeKalb County hand count. One batch was labeled 10,707 for Biden and 13 for Trump—an improbable margin even by DeKalb standards. The actual count for the batch was 1,081 for Biden and 13 for Trump,” David Shafer wrote on Twitter on Nov. 18. “Had this counting error not been discovered, Biden would have gained enough votes from this one batch alone to cancel out Trump’s gains from Fayette, Floyd, and Walton,” Shafer added, referring to the three Peach State counties which discovered memory cards with uncounted votes on Monday and Tuesday. Shafer said that two official counters signed off on the miscounted batch. GOP attorneys turned over an affidavit (pdf) on the incident to the Georgia secretary of state and requested an investigation. “We were limited to one monitor for every 10 counting tables and we were kept some distance from the tables. There is no telling what we missed under these unreasonable restrictions,” Shafer said. Fayette, Floyd, and Walton counties discovered uncounted votes on Monday and Tuesday with each batch favoring President Donald Trump. The discovered votes cut former Vice President Joe Biden’s lead in the state by more than 1,400 votes. Georgia’s deadline to complete the recount is at 11:59 p.m. on Wednesday. The state is scheduled to vote on whether to certify the results of the 2020 election on Friday. The recount in progress was initiated by Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger based on a new law that calls for an audit of one race after each election. The Trump campaign has challenged the recount process, asserting that it is meaningless unless it includes an audit of the voters’ signatures. The office of the secretary of state did not respond to a request for comment. Georgia officials are probing the handling of the presidential election in the state’s largest county. Officials are seeing “managerial sloppiness” and “chain of custody” issues in Fulton County, which has a population of about a million and includes Atlanta, Gabriel Sterling with the secretary of state’s office told reporters on Tuesday. Raffensperger said Tuesday that an audit of voting machines was completed with no signs of foul play. Voting systems testing company Pro V&V conducted the audit and “found no evidence of the machines being tampered.” The Trump campaign has alleged that voting machines and software by Dominion Voting Systems switched votes from Trump to Biden. Dominion denied the allegations. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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Third Georgia County Finds Memory Card With Uncounted Votes https://www.theepochtimes.com/...reaking-2020-11-18-1 A third county in Georgia discovered a memory card with uncounted votes, a majority of which were cast for President Donald Trump, according to Georgia GOP Chairman David Shafer. “Our monitors tell us that Walton County election officials have found a memory card that was apparently not uploaded. The number of uncounted votes is not as large as in Floyd or Fayette but the President will pick up votes,” Shafer wrote on Twitter. According to Walton Tribune, Trump netted 176 votes as a result of the discovery. At a press conference on Tuesday night, Gabriel Sterling with the Georgia secretary of state’s office told reporters that, in Walton County, “there may be a memory card with 224 votes on it from an Election Day polling location.” “We’re still trying to see if that was a batch that might have been missed, or there’s actually memory cards that we—I don’t have a final answer on that,” he added. Fayette and Floyd counties previously reported discovering memory cards with uncounted votes. Of the votes, 1,577 were for President Donald Trump, 1,128 were for Democratic nominee Joe Biden, and the remainder included 43 for Libertarian presidential candidate Jo Jorgensen, and seven write-ins, Sterling said. The discovery netted Trump 449 votes. Floyd County on Monday found 2,600 votes that were not initially tabulated in the initial vote-counting process. The votes were cast overwhelmingly for Trump, cutting Biden’s lead by roughly 800 votes. Sterling said that Fayette County’s votes were a more easy discovery compared to Floyd County, because they were able to see that the number of people who were checked in on the early voting file exceeded the number in the county’s reported total votes. Both Floyd and Fayette counties will still need to recertify their results, and that can’t be done until after the state’s election audit is complete on Wednesday at midnight, Sterling said. The memory cards unearthed in the three counties add up to over 1,400 net votes for Trump, closing his gap with Biden from 14,156 minus 12,753, Sterling said on CNN’s “New Day” on Wednesday. The recount in progress was initiated by the Georgia secretary of state based on a new law that calls for an audit of one race after each election. The state’s deadline to certify election results is Nov. 20. The Trump campaign can request another recount after the results are certified. Georgia spent more than $100 million on election machines and software by Dominion Voting Systems. The Trump campaign has alleged, and the vendor has denied, that the software is to blame for the fraudulent switching of votes from Trump to Biden. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
I can only imagine they are building their case and biding their time for the right moment. This Sidney Powell just doesn't strike me as the type that would go around saying this kind of thing if she couldn't back it up. I'm guardedly hopeful here. | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Nevada – Trump Campaign Team Lawsuit: More Than “15,000 People Voted In Nevada and Another State”... Clark County Nevada is notorious for election fraud going all the way back to the SEIU union bussing people in from California to vote in Nevada elections. This is part of Harry Reid’s long-lasting legacy. Earlier today the Trump campaign team in Nevada held a press conference (full video below). Within the presser attorney Adam Laxalt outlined some of the more consequential discoveries: “This lawsuit presents that 15,000 people voted in Nevada and another state, it also presents dead voters.” https://theconservativetreehou...a-and-another-state/ "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Lighten up and laugh |
So, are they subtracting the 9.6k votes from Biden's 13k lead? | |||
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Ackks... I don't think it matters. Didn't I read that the count is going to reflect and mirror the original count and not the recount/re-canvass? Georgia specifically... I may be wrong and will correct/delete if wrong. Confirmed... Here it is (what I read). It is a posting on Twatter though... Georgia Certification Bombshell The "Boz" | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Wow... that "Error" alone makes it extremely close. It's very likely that Georgia flips to Trump based on all that's being found. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Another fraggin' bombshell? ____________________ | |||
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