I read online that Routh was waiting there for 12 hours.

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Originally posted by c1steve:
I read online that Routh was waiting there for 12 hours.

They just stated that on Fox News as well.

If he went at night, no way you would see him and he could easily park and get in without being seen.

But how did he know Trump would go past that spot. There are 27 holes there so roughly only a 66 percent chance that trump would ever use that golf hole even if he went to play that day.

Of note is that this is about 1/4 mile from the main jail in palm beach, so there should be cops driving by this spot 24X7 at random times.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I have to wonder how long that crazy bastard was just sitting there in his little nest waiting for a chance opportunity.

It’s being reported he was in the position/hide for over 12hrs. I’m not sure if that makes it more of a calculated probability or if he was tipped off to be there. I trust nothing anymore.

Trump literally has more combat time than Tim Walz.

Another question for those in the know about the subject’s actions.

1. He was tipped off following a last-minute schedule change by the President. He then scurried into position to be able to point his rifle in the direction that he knew his target would appear. (His controllers failed to advise him about any basic snipercraft and that’s why he made himself obvious with such a foolish move.)

2. He was tipped off 12 (or more) hours in advance and the controllers knew there would be a last-minute schedule change (that they probably arranged because they have full control over the President's life and activities) that would take the President to the course. (Again, though, there was that strange failure to equip and advise him to make his success more likely.)

Which was it: 1 or 2? Inquiring minds are eager to learn the truth.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Another question for those in the know about the subject’s actions.

1. He was tipped off following a last-minute schedule change by the President. He then scurried into position to be able to point his rifle in the direction that he knew his target would appear. (His controllers failed to advise him about any basic snipercraft and that’s why he made himself obvious with such a foolish move.)

2. He was tipped off 12 (or more) hours in advance and the controllers knew there would be a last-minute schedule change (that they probably arranged because they have full control over the President's life and activities) that would take the President to the course. (Again, though, there was that strange failure to equip and advise him to make his success more likely.)

Which was it: 1 or 2? Inquiring minds are eager to learn the truth.

3: Maybe he's a loonacrat, just took a chance and hid out the golf course and presumed Trump might be there at some point. It is Trumps course, he plays there every time he's in town, doesn't take a phi beta kappa to figure that out.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Am I the only one who thought this was Gary Busey?

Mr. Busey's attorney will be contacting you about his defamation lawsuit for that comment.

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Originally posted by jsbcody:
DWS is Driving While Suspended.

Doh! Should have figured that one out. Thank you Sir for renting me a clue!

Shortly after the first assassination attempt, Biden announced he was dropping out. The timing, I believe, was calculated to draw the attention away from the attempt, and that it did.

This time around, there's nothing for the Dems to do to pull attention away from this attempt, and I'm certain they are furious.

Once again, increased sympathy comes Trumps way.

With regards to the Dems and the media blaming these attempts on Trump- there's no point in attempting to reason with people so dishonest and deluded.

Yesterday, the sheriff in WPB said Trump is not getting a full compliment of Secret Service protection because he's not the current president, but what he and others are missing is that Donald Trump is unique in the modern era. He is a former President who is once again seeking office, and there had already been one attempt on his life. It's because of these circumstances that Donald Trump deserves a full compliment of protection.

As to all the whackos on social media behaving as if they KNOW that this loon is a CIA operative- please. It is to laugh. You think this was a professional job? Really?

Who knows how many times this nutjob waited in those bushes. It's not hard to predict that Trump would be on that golf course yesterday, no public statement needed.

But, all the kiddies need to play James Bond, so...

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This time around, there's nothing for the Dems to do to pull attention away from this attempt, and I'm certain they are furious.

KK can do another solo interview, or better yet, do a presser. Oh wait...

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Originally posted by HRK:
3: Maybe he's a loonacrat, just took a chance and hid out the golf course and presumed Trump might be there at some point.

Oh, no: How could something like that be true? That does not fit any narratives (not to mention fantasies).

Although I admit fantasies are fun and often profitable. Someone will probably write a fictional account based on the incident that fills in all the gaps and makes the author a ton of money. It has happened many times before.

Have Keyboard - Will Conspiracy

They are showing the golf course layout and his position on FOX.

Guy was positioned by the #6 green, the distance from his position to the green was extremely close as the green/hole borders the fence.

USSS spotted him while Trump was on the 5th hole, so likely that USSS was working the area in front of Trump to clear the area for play and found Mr. Looney Pants by the fence.

This explains why he was engaged and shot from a longer distance, he was hiding a very short distance from where Trump would have been standing had the USSS not found him and a very likely easy shot position.

I believe when all is said and done, the stated motive by this loon will be the Russia/Ukraine conflict.

He's incredibly naive, it seems. He believes the Ukrainians to be innocent and purely good, and he sees the Russian as purely evil, a stark black and white conflict.

He doesn't get it. He does not understand that there are no good guys in that conflict, and he does not understand the conditions which led up to Russia's attack.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Curious to know the thinking behind the questions, and which I admit are valid ones.

This is a very interesting question as well.

Trying to wrap one’s mind around what is going on with the Secret Service protection of President Trump and the assassination attempts while keeping an open mind is tough. Para’s video in the “Why Intelligent People Believe Stupid Things” thread may be of some help.

If one believes that the Democrats are cheating communist scum that will stop at nothing to destroy our country, that they have managed to weaponize and politicize the federal government, that they are inherently and explicitly evil, well it isn’t hard to believe the somewhat far fetched claim that someone in PDJT’s security apparatus set him up.

On the other hand there is a quote which I don’t remember exactly and will likely horribly mangle that goes something like, “Once is an accident, twice may be a coincidence, but thrice is definitely enemy action.”

I suspect that we will likely never know, but I am happy to see the State of Florida running their own independent investigation. They may force the Fumbling Bumbling Incompetents to do an honest investigation, or they may simply reach the same conclusion and provide some further evidence that the FBI did actually do an honest and accurate investigation. It really can’t hurt either way.

Here’s hoping that November 5th comes quickly, that President Trump remains healthy, that he prevails then, and that we can get beyond the divisiveness and work together to make every American’s life better.

I've heard nothing about a phone being taken into evidence.

Here is something wild.

On August 30, a guy named Edward Heckman wrote a piece suggesting that the gunman in the first attempt on Trump's life was not Thomas Crooks but a guy named Matthew Yearick. In that article, the following sentence appears:

"Bank records of Thomas Crooks reveal a few unusual payments to two individuals, Ryan Routh and Peter Riddle."

Ryan Routh is the guy just arrested for the second attempt on Trump's life.

The article also states:

"Maxwell Yearick first gained attention fighting in Ukraine with the army against Russian-backed forces in 2023. After his success in Ukraine, the CIA recruied him for secret operations through one of their operative [sic] named Ryan Routh."

Say what you will about the conspiracy theories proposed in the article....but it is awfully odd that these names somehow got connected.

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Close enough to what I remember about Ian Fleming’s quotation:
“Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.”

We are only at “twice,” but the specifics of the action can make a big difference.
Base on my long and—to the extent possible—detailed study of active killer events here and abroad has led me to firmly conclude (my bias?) that actors in the incidents are largely copycats who follow the prior examples of others. In fact, I have yet to learn of any incidents in which the killers were acting in concert with or at the direction of remote controllers of any sort.

Although it’s one of the best known incidents, the actions of the murderers at Columbine High School did not fit the common pattern of subsequent events. It demonstrated that evil and mentally diseased people could gain attention and therefore the evolutionary advantageous influence over the rest of us by doing something similar. What the intense coverage at the time of that incident did not do was to focus on the weapons the killers used. Later, however, the BS media and other news sources started obsessing about the guns in other incidents and specifically about AR-15 style rifles. The consequence?

The killer at Stockton, California, used an AK-type gun and that did result in some focus on that type of gun, but nothing like what has happened since. It wasn’t well received by everyone, but I once told a response to active killer class that it was the intense media coverage of weapons that had made the AR a common weapon of choice for such incidents. Sometimes, as in last July, killers choose that gun even when many other choices would have been better.

I don’t know any more about this guy’s thinking than anyone else does, and apparently much less according to what I’ve read, but if I did I’d be very surprised to learn that he wasn’t influenced by the last attempt on the President’s life.

“What a good idea! I should have thought of that myself, and I bet I could be successful this time because I’m smarter [bias again?]. No access to the type of gun used then? No problem, at least I have a semiauto of some type.”

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Originally posted by Ripley:
I've heard nothing about a phone being taken into evidence.

"Law enforcement officials, according to the complaint, suspect the man wielding that weapon was 58-year-old Ryan Wesley Routh. Routh fled the scene and left behind his phone, his loaded SKS-style rifle with a scope and some food, according to the complaint." -WaPo

I would assume all the found items were seized together.