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Freethinker
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Another question for those in the know about the subject’s actions.

1. He was tipped off following a last-minute schedule change by the President. He then scurried into position to be able to point his rifle in the direction that he knew his target would appear. (His controllers failed to advise him about any basic snipercraft and that’s why he made himself obvious with such a foolish move.)

2. He was tipped off 12 (or more) hours in advance and the controllers knew there would be a last-minute schedule change (that they probably arranged because they have full control over the President's life and activities) that would take the President to the course. (Again, though, there was that strange failure to equip and advise him to make his success more likely.)

Which was it: 1 or 2? Inquiring minds are eager to learn the truth.




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Another question for those in the know about the subject’s actions.

1. He was tipped off following a last-minute schedule change by the President. He then scurried into position to be able to point his rifle in the direction that he knew his target would appear. (His controllers failed to advise him about any basic snipercraft and that’s why he made himself obvious with such a foolish move.)

2. He was tipped off 12 (or more) hours in advance and the controllers knew there would be a last-minute schedule change (that they probably arranged because they have full control over the President's life and activities) that would take the President to the course. (Again, though, there was that strange failure to equip and advise him to make his success more likely.)

Which was it: 1 or 2? Inquiring minds are eager to learn the truth.


3: Maybe he's a loonacrat, just took a chance and hid out the golf course and presumed Trump might be there at some point. It is Trumps course, he plays there every time he's in town, doesn't take a phi beta kappa to figure that out.
 
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Am I the only one who thought this was Gary Busey? Big Grin



Mr. Busey's attorney will be contacting you about his defamation lawsuit for that comment.





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DWS is Driving While Suspended.
Doh! Should have figured that one out. Thank you Sir for renting me a clue!
 
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Shortly after the first assassination attempt, Biden announced he was dropping out. The timing, I believe, was calculated to draw the attention away from the attempt, and that it did.

This time around, there's nothing for the Dems to do to pull attention away from this attempt, and I'm certain they are furious.

Once again, increased sympathy comes Trumps way.

With regards to the Dems and the media blaming these attempts on Trump- there's no point in attempting to reason with people so dishonest and deluded.

Yesterday, the sheriff in WPB said Trump is not getting a full compliment of Secret Service protection because he's not the current president, but what he and others are missing is that Donald Trump is unique in the modern era. He is a former President who is once again seeking office, and there had already been one attempt on his life. It's because of these circumstances that Donald Trump deserves a full compliment of protection.

As to all the whackos on social media behaving as if they KNOW that this loon is a CIA operative- please. It is to laugh. Roll Eyes You think this was a professional job? Really?

Who knows how many times this nutjob waited in those bushes. It's not hard to predict that Trump would be on that golf course yesterday, no public statement needed.

But, all the kiddies need to play James Bond, so...
 
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This time around, there's nothing for the Dems to do to pull attention away from this attempt, and I'm certain they are furious.

KK can do another solo interview, or better yet, do a presser. Oh wait...


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3: Maybe he's a loonacrat, just took a chance and hid out the golf course and presumed Trump might be there at some point.

Oh, no: How could something like that be true? That does not fit any narratives (not to mention fantasies). Roll Eyes

Although I admit fantasies are fun and often profitable. Someone will probably write a fictional account based on the incident that fills in all the gaps and makes the author a ton of money. It has happened many times before.




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They are showing the golf course layout and his position on FOX.

Guy was positioned by the #6 green, the distance from his position to the green was extremely close as the green/hole borders the fence.

USSS spotted him while Trump was on the 5th hole, so likely that USSS was working the area in front of Trump to clear the area for play and found Mr. Looney Pants by the fence.

This explains why he was engaged and shot from a longer distance, he was hiding a very short distance from where Trump would have been standing had the USSS not found him and a very likely easy shot position.
 
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I believe when all is said and done, the stated motive by this loon will be the Russia/Ukraine conflict.

He's incredibly naive, it seems. He believes the Ukrainians to be innocent and purely good, and he sees the Russian as purely evil, a stark black and white conflict.

He doesn't get it. He does not understand that there are no good guys in that conflict, and he does not understand the conditions which led up to Russia's attack.
 
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Curious to know the thinking behind the questions, and which I admit are valid ones.
This is a very interesting question as well.

Trying to wrap one’s mind around what is going on with the Secret Service protection of President Trump and the assassination attempts while keeping an open mind is tough. Para’s video in the “Why Intelligent People Believe Stupid Things” thread may be of some help.

If one believes that the Democrats are cheating communist scum that will stop at nothing to destroy our country, that they have managed to weaponize and politicize the federal government, that they are inherently and explicitly evil, well it isn’t hard to believe the somewhat far fetched claim that someone in PDJT’s security apparatus set him up.

On the other hand there is a quote which I don’t remember exactly and will likely horribly mangle that goes something like, “Once is an accident, twice may be a coincidence, but thrice is definitely enemy action.”

I suspect that we will likely never know, but I am happy to see the State of Florida running their own independent investigation. They may force the Fumbling Bumbling Incompetents to do an honest investigation, or they may simply reach the same conclusion and provide some further evidence that the FBI did actually do an honest and accurate investigation. It really can’t hurt either way.

Here’s hoping that November 5th comes quickly, that President Trump remains healthy, that he prevails then, and that we can get beyond the divisiveness and work together to make every American’s life better.
 
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I've heard nothing about a phone being taken into evidence.




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Here is something wild.

On August 30, a guy named Edward Heckman wrote a piece suggesting that the gunman in the first attempt on Trump's life was not Thomas Crooks but a guy named Matthew Yearick. In that article, the following sentence appears:

"Bank records of Thomas Crooks reveal a few unusual payments to two individuals, Ryan Routh and Peter Riddle."

Ryan Routh is the guy just arrested for the second attempt on Trump's life.

The article also states:

"Maxwell Yearick first gained attention fighting in Ukraine with the army against Russian-backed forces in 2023. After his success in Ukraine, the CIA recruied him for secret operations through one of their operative [sic] named Ryan Routh."

Say what you will about the conspiracy theories proposed in the article....but it is awfully odd that these names somehow got connected.

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Close enough to what I remember about Ian Fleming’s quotation:
“Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.”

We are only at “twice,” but the specifics of the action can make a big difference.
Base on my long and—to the extent possible—detailed study of active killer events here and abroad has led me to firmly conclude (my bias?) that actors in the incidents are largely copycats who follow the prior examples of others. In fact, I have yet to learn of any incidents in which the killers were acting in concert with or at the direction of remote controllers of any sort.

Although it’s one of the best known incidents, the actions of the murderers at Columbine High School did not fit the common pattern of subsequent events. It demonstrated that evil and mentally diseased people could gain attention and therefore the evolutionary advantageous influence over the rest of us by doing something similar. What the intense coverage at the time of that incident did not do was to focus on the weapons the killers used. Later, however, the BS media and other news sources started obsessing about the guns in other incidents and specifically about AR-15 style rifles. The consequence?

The killer at Stockton, California, used an AK-type gun and that did result in some focus on that type of gun, but nothing like what has happened since. It wasn’t well received by everyone, but I once told a response to active killer class that it was the intense media coverage of weapons that had made the AR a common weapon of choice for such incidents. Sometimes, as in last July, killers choose that gun even when many other choices would have been better.

I don’t know any more about this guy’s thinking than anyone else does, and apparently much less according to what I’ve read, but if I did I’d be very surprised to learn that he wasn’t influenced by the last attempt on the President’s life.

“What a good idea! I should have thought of that myself, and I bet I could be successful this time because I’m smarter [bias again?]. No access to the type of gun used then? No problem, at least I have a semiauto of some type.”




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I've heard nothing about a phone being taken into evidence.

"Law enforcement officials, according to the complaint, suspect the man wielding that weapon was 58-year-old Ryan Wesley Routh. Routh fled the scene and left behind his phone, his loaded SKS-style rifle with a scope and some food, according to the complaint." -WaPo

I would assume all the found items were seized together.



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Imagine the conversation will be quite interesting.... to say the least...

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I've heard nothing about a phone being taken into evidence.

"Law enforcement officials, according to the complaint, suspect the man wielding that weapon was 58-year-old Ryan Wesley Routh. Routh fled the scene and left behind his phone, his loaded SKS-style rifle with a scope and some food, according to the complaint." -WaPo

I would assume all the found items were seized together.


Thanks, kkina, I missed that. Still, after Butler, a lot of talk about Crook's phone, nothing so far about Routh's.

And fwiw, before Crooks was identified, I posted a picture from another site, showing the dead shooter's face on the roof. At that time, he was identified as Matthew Yearick --





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One issue I haven’t seen much mention of is what actual crime(s) will this guy be charged with?

Firearms violations, yes, but what else? Will a Secret Service agent be able say that man pointed a gun at him and thereby committed some level of threat (as well as justifying the agent’s/agents’ evidently shooting without being shot at)? At this point and had the situation been even slightly different we might have expected that the man would be given a cigar and pat on the back as he was released from custody by some leftist judge.




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From UK Yahoo News, quoting The Telegraph and the Financial Times:

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Long before he is thought to have trained his guns on Donald Trump, Ryan Routh tried to tout his warrior skills in Ukraine as a volunteer with the country’s International Legion.

The unit was created by Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, in a bid to recruit ex-Western soldiers to Kyiv’s defence, and drew thousands of applicants in the war’s opening months.

However, far from all were battle-hardened Paras or US Delta Force members. The Legion also attracted no end of Walter Mittys, fantasists and self-publicists.

Ukrainian military recruiters appear to have spotted almost immediately that Mr Routh, who had a long criminal record, was not promising material.

According to an interview that he later gave to the Financial Times, he was rejected for service when he first reported to a Legion office on the Polish border at the war’s outset.

“They said: ‘You’re 56, you’re old and you have no experience’,” he told the paper. “So why don’t you recruit and coordinate?”

If that is what they told him, they probably intended him doing so having returned himself safely back to the US. Undeterred, however, Mr Routh continued on to Kyiv, where he became a familiar – if less than welcome – face on the Legion’s fringes.

Ryan Routh at a rally in May 2022 demanding that China assist in extracting Ukrainian service members from the Azovstal iron and steel works in Mariupol
Ryan Routh at a rally in May 2022 demanding that China assist in extracting Ukrainian service members from the Azovstal iron and steel works in Mariupol - Valentyn Ogirenko/Reuters
There were many such cranks in Kyiv at the time, latching on to the war to pose as international men of action and boasting of high-level contacts in the Pentagon or CIA.

Regular Legionnaires did their best to avoid them, referring to them variously as “Call of Duty Warriors”, “Volun-tourists” and “Screamers” – the latter a reference to their reaction if coming under fire.

But there was little to stop them promoting themselves on social media, as Mr Routh did prolifically, claiming to be an active recruiter for the Legion ranks.

“Any gender, any age, any skill level to no skill level,” he claimed to Newsweek in 2022. “Yeah, if you wanna fight, come and see me and I’ll put you in a unit so you can go fight.”

Mr Routh, who claims to have had contacts in the Middle East, caused the Legion particular problems by attempting to recruit volunteer soldiers from Afghanistan and Syria, who would be unlikely to be admitted to Ukraine because of security concerns.

“He was never in Ukraine in any official capacity – he simply decided that he was going to come here and save the day himself,” a Ukrainian military source told The Telegraph. “I was in contact with him multiple times to request to him that he stop his activities, most of which were bizarre and alarming.”

One former Legion official told The Telegraph: “He was called out a number of times by Legion people and told to stop his shenanigans, but that didn’t seem to stop him. He was mostly quite eccentric. I could smell a mile away that he was full of s---.”

The military source added that because of the “chaos” during the first months of the invasion, it was easy for foreign self-publicists to make false claims that they were acting in an official capacity.

While Mr Routh probably had “good intentions”, he had also caused security problems for the Legion by posting details on his website of foreigners who had enlisted.

“He was trying to get involved in internal matters as well,” the source added. “He sent me messages saying: ‘Oh, guys in this unit are not happy.’ And I said: ‘Listen, they have a chain of command... there is a way to report things.’ I don’t think he was ever completely stable.”

Mr Routh also became a regular fixture in Kyiv’s Independence Square, where he erected his own makeshift memorial to the country’s war dead.

He would also hand out unofficial flyers offering $1,200 to anyone who took up arms against Russia. Eventually, his presence appears to have tested the patience of the Ukrainian authorities – who, according to the FT, ordered the memorial to be taken down.

The Legion is understood to have been at the point of requesting his removal from Ukraine altogether when he then left of his own accord.

Aware that Trump – not a noted champion of Kyiv in the war – might soon be back in the White House, Legion sources have stressed that they in no way approve of Mr Routh’s subsequent assassination plot. On said: “Disregarding political alignments, we would of course never condone this.”

That, however, may not be the only headache Mr Routh has left for Kyiv. According to the FT, after his makeshift memorial in Kyiv was taken down, he started a nearby Flags of the Fallen garden, where small paper flags are planted to remember Ukrainians who died in the war.

The flag garden is now home to thousands of flags and has become something of a landmark in Independence Square.

Much as the Kyiv authorities may not wish to remove it, they may not want to preserve something started by Trump’s would-be assassin, especially should Trump go to Kyiv next year as president.


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