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Responsibility, accountability and truth are too steep for Kimberly Cheatle | |||
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A Grateful American |
I just love The Sound of Music... "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
The shooter had his target, but by God's Hand, Trump sharply turned his head avoiding a near lateral shot. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. HANLON Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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I understand. I was responding to the contention that the shooter was rushed and therefore missed. He may or may not have rushed, but he's didn't really miss. Rather Trump moved fortuitously. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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A Grateful American |
Yep. His gunfire would have brought all the boys to the yard... "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Perhaps. But seems like there are suggestions of malice here. If so, that seems treasonous. Which should carry with it a much more severe penalty than just incompetence. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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he bungled that | |||
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cheatle can say she accepts the blame all she wants, but that doesn't negate the fact that many bear responsibility for the failure | |||
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Official Space Nerd |
Concerning the cop/shooter confrontation, I can't help but wonder if that cop did everything possible under those circumstances. If a shooter has the drop on you, especially if aiming a rifle at your head, should you try to draw your weapon and 'take one for the team'and let him shoot you (thus alerting the SS detail by the gunshot(s) ) or would it be better to withdraw and call it in on the radio? I haven't seen enough info to really draw a conclusion on what options he had. Somebody (I thought it was here on the Forum but I could be mistaken) stated the cop fell off the roof after the shooter pointed at him and then the shooter IMMEDIATELY pivoted and fired at Trump. If so, the cop likely could not have drawn on and fired at the shooter. This would have caused the shooter to rush his shot. This distraction could have been a key part of the shooter missing a relatively simple shot. I will not condemn the cop at this point based on incomplete data, but it does leave me puzzled. Just more questions. Like the aftermath at Uvalde, I doubt we will ever have satisfactory answers. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Really, the cop or anyone could've put rounds into the dirt, and that would've prompted security to rush Trump off stage. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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I work in a block building with a steel roof. When the HVAC guy goes up on the roof, everyone inside, in every corner of the building, knows there's someone on the roof. How three snipers inside couldn't hear someone on the roof amazes me. | |||
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That's what I was wondering. This space intentionally left blank. | |||
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Oriental Redneck |
There is zero question about the Uvalde cops. They were cowards. Period. Don't make excuses for these shitheads. Q | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
You fellas be sure to stay off of barely sloping roofs, or uneven floors. Maybe stairs, too. If these things are too dangerous for the professionals of the by God USSS, then, they're too dangerous for us. | |||
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I keep wondering why the cop didn’t come over the top of the ladder with his service weapon already out. I can’t recall if he was told the person had a weapon or was just a person on the roof, but either way it wouldn’t be irregular to confront someone on a roof while the candidate is speaking with a weapon in your hand. And when/if the guy points the weapon, cut loose | |||
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On watching the clip, what struck me was, despite all the chaos and confusion that may have been triggered, the general absence of panic in the audience AND the concern they showed over injured (killed) rally goers and/or Trump more than their own personal safety. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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Yep, like Glock 40's,they're the only one professional enough to handle a steep roof. Here's one demonstrating: This space intentionally left blank. | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
And now we hear that DHS had intel on an Iranian plot to assassinate Trump, but what did he get in the way of protection? Short women who can't find their holster and don't know what they are doing or where they are going (that's what they said: "What are we doing?? Where are we going??") We get short, barely-trained, nervous, confused women and a DEI hire director scared of any surface not perfectly parallel to the ground. But, now we're aware of this and the clown games have to cease, if for no other reason, the DEI hire's sense of self-preservation. Either way, if there's any justice, she has but a few months left in her position. We're not getting our sandwiches and sock mending and that shit's gotta change. Wash this for me, will ya, hon? That's a good girl. | |||
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Official Space Nerd |
Oh, and another thing while on the subject. This IS something I have personal experience with. While on my previous church’s Security Team, I would patrol the main parking lot wearing a big “Shoot Me First” vest. It had SECURITY emblazoned on it. I always figured that if somebody tried to stage a shooting at my church again (this happened once before I started attending there, but it was thwarted by our armed security team) I would be the first one they shot. Anyway, we had a policy of checking out people who just Didn’t Look Right (we called them DLRs). When we say a guy, for example, wearing a hoodie pulled over his face on a hot day, with a backpack, acting flakey and shifty, we would walk up and in a friendly, helpful way, verbally engage with them. “Hey, welcome to XYZ Church! Can I help you find anything? That’s a cool hoodie – I love that TV show/band/sports team. Do you have any questions?” This gave us a chance to check the person out up close and personal and see if he is still acting suspicious, or gets nervous, or otherwise indicates he is a legitimate threat. I cannot understand how the cops had SEVERAL instances where they could have engaged the guy verbally and checked him out. I mean, HE WAS SIGHTING IN ON THE PRESIDENT WITH A RANGEFINDER. How much more suspicious could you act? This kid was a little punk with his parents’ rifle that got kicked off the school rifle team because he sucked at it. He wasn’t a Tom Cruise “Mission Impossible” operative, or Spetnaz/CIA/MI6 agent with secure comms, satellite overwatch, and a team of backup professionals all doing their parts to jam comms, divert security, etc, in order to give him once-in-a-lifetime shot at the VIP. This was a complete amateur who got lucky. If any ONE of several dozen officers had done their job, this punk never would have made it to the roof. The moment he got onto that rooftop with the rifle, the Secret Service FAILED in their duty. Now, I will repeat, I have the utmost respect and for LEO and the SS. However, this incident (like Uvalde) is really challenging those deeply-held attitudes. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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