Will be interesting if we ever get clear engagement rules for countersnipers at this assissination attempt, and in other similar public situations and if they are consistent with sleepy joe and DT.

I'm not going to give much credence to anything supposedly coming from "unnamed sources within the SS". Too many people pushing click bait for ad revenue and others just wanting to stir things up. The SS is pretty tight on confidentiality and not having leaks, or at least it has been in the past.

The claims about ROE - wait for shooter to shoot first and/or requesting permission to shoot - are patently absurd. If there's a guy in a prone position with line of sight to the VIP it's pretty safe to say he's not there sunbathing or "just wanting a better view" and the SS would take the shot, justifiably so. We've all seen videos of the Suburban with the pop-up 7.63 Minigun in the Presidential motorcade. If they ever had to use that the collateral damage would be high, but considered a necessary evil to protect the President, so worries about making a "mistake" are probably not a major issue.

The "official story", at least parts of it will be communicated in a few days, especially who was responsible to cover the property and building the shooter used. Also, whatever is known about the shooter, how many rounds he shot, where each one landed, and which CS team returned fire. Really curious about where all the rounds went because he fired rather fast - faster IMO than a string of well-aimed shots. He may have just pointed at President Trump, pulled the trigger a few times, and got lucky with one of the shots.

That said I am inclined to believe the SS counter snipers were not watching that roof because it was "supposed" to be secured with controlled entry at the ground level by someone (local LE, Sheriff, State Police, or other SS), and they were looking further away (~500 yards), meaning their scopes were set to focus at the further distance at the appropriate magnification. That's why the sniper looked above his scope to see the nearby roof directly and then abruptly re-aimed closer. Other posts have indicated he did not fire and the other team did. I'd have to watch the videos and timeline more closely to fully understand what caused the sudden re-aiming.

I don't think it's credible that the SS ignored that roof for any reason. If it was agreed that other LE would control the area, and they were asleep at the wheel, then that will come out.

The thing I really want to know is how the shooter knew about the roof and how to get to it without being detected or stopped until shortly before he shot. Reports that he bought ammo a few hours beforehand, if true, indicate that he probably wasn't using known-accurate ammo for the rifle and probably didn't zero to it. Also like to know what rifle he used and any optics on it.

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Originally posted by sse:
Here's a cut from the briefing Sunday morning, bunch of goons. The one in uniform is the sheriff, who the SS now states was in charge of security of the adjacent areas of security, which I did not know when I saw this on Sunday.

That sounds like an attempt to pass the buck, if the SS actually made that claim.

"Situation Room" photo has been renamed "DT Rally Watch Party"

https://martineztribune.com/wp...a_Situation-Room.jpg

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Originally posted by sig 226:
Same here in VA.. just wondering why Deputies don't take calls for service first then reply on PSP as secondary.

I'm not certain how it came to be structured. As mentioned by PASig, our county sheriff's office mostly provides administrative/support functions such as (but not limited to) issuing concealed carry permits, providing courthouse security and transporting prisoners.

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by sse:
Here's a cut from the briefing Sunday morning, bunch of goons. The one in uniform is the sheriff, who the SS now states was in charge of security of the adjacent areas of security, which I did not know when I saw this on Sunday.

That sounds like an attempt to pass the buck, if the SS actually made that claim.

No numbnuts, the SS as the main entity is responsible for everything.

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Originally posted by sig 226:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Democrat mayor of Washington city makes stunning claims about Trump assassination attempt

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...ayor-washington.html

A Democrat mayor has suggested Trump faked his assassination attempt - and claimed he may have been inspired by tactics used at wrestling matches.

Aberdeen's mayor Douglas Orr said he is standing by his belief that Trump may have cut his ear as part of the stunt, and is asking that independent doctors review his injury.

Sickening.. and TDS on display right there..

Yes, a stunt that resulted in death of retired fireman and father. Does anyone rational think that Trump would fake something like this, let alone try to fake it to the extent of death and injuries to the audience? Does anyone rational think that anybody rational would pull a stunt like this?

The mofo mayor needs to be removed from office for suggesting it. Needs to be examined for even thinking it. Seriously, WTF. This ain't just party line bickering. The mayor is one sick bastard.

Yes DT is going to play William Tell from 130 yards with a 20 year old booger picker.

The idea is so unhinged it's not even worthy of discussion.

USSS gave up responsibility for the high ground (rooftops) sub 500 yards? Forget about the Counter Sniper team, no USSS person just glassing (not rifle scopes) the obvious clear shot(s) roof's regardless of PD's, SO's or whatever, having responsibility accessing those roofs?

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Originally posted by konata88:
Yes, a stunt that resulted in death of retired fireman and father. Does anyone rational think that Trump would fake something like this, let alone try to fake it to the extent of death and injuries to the audience? Does anyone rational think that anybody rational would pull a stunt like this?

No rational individual would come to that conclusion. I wouldn't be surprised to learn this idiot mayor also believes they faked the fireman's death.

Here's something odd. I work on an AF base and about 5 of us guys were all sitting around bullshitting for about 15 minutes. The assassination attempt never came up. We talked about BBQ, robot dogs, the new rifle caliber the DOD is adopting. Not one word today about the biggest news event. Odd.

The second unanswered question arose from a passel of articles ironically intended to resolve a different question. The Hill ran the story headlined, “Local police officer reportedly encountered alleged Trump shooter seconds before shots fired.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/c...-before-shots-fired/

They want us to know that law enforcement did notice the shooter. But wait. There’s more.

Neither this article, nor any others about the same story, identified the anonymous “local police officer” who, investigating bystander reports, climbed up the ladder to see for himself. According to reports, Thomas the Shooter pointed his gun at the officer, who apparently then experienced a rapid unscheduled dismount. Or maybe he just climbed back down, which makes much less sense, given that was the end of the officer’s involvement, as far as they tell us.

Either way, quickly, so fast it all happened before the officer could do anything, the story says after threatening the laddered officer, in the span of a few seconds, Thomas the Shooter returned to his ‘post,’ coolly aimed his rifle (not sniper gear), calculated the wind speed factors, and immediately took his shots, showing the kind of clear thinking under pressure normally attributed to combat veterans and not unemployed drifters. Then Secret Service agents blew Thomas’ brains out, and that was that.



But wait. How did that giant ladder get there? The article was 100% silent on that score. Are they telling us this unemployed 20-year-old brought a long gun and a giant ladder in his small car and then carried them from the parking lot to the building without anyone noticing? Or did Thomas perhaps set up his ladder ahead of time, like the day before the event? If so, how did security miss a stray ladder leaning against a building that also happened to be the closest elevated vantage to the rally?

If the young, unemployed drifter’s planning was sufficiently sophisticated that he placed the ladder ahead of time, how did he know security would miss the ladder, on which the entire plan depended? And how did he know the roof would remain unguarded? These seem like critical unanswered questions contradicting the FBI’s conclusion that Thomas “appears to have acted alone.”

But what do I know? I’m just a lawyer, not an FBI assassination investigator. But as a lawyer, it’s way too early to say he acted alone.

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
No numbnuts, the SS as the main entity is responsible for everything.

Mind your manners

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
No numbnuts, the SS as the main entity is responsible for everything.

Mind your manners

"numbnuts" is the bureaucrat who is attempting to pass the buck to the local Sherriff.

Was the ladder put there before or after the shooting? How do you suppose all those other people got onto the roof? Eye witnesses claim the shooter climbed up at a different point.

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Originally posted by konata88:

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Originally posted by sig 226:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Democrat mayor of Washington city makes stunning claims about Trump assassination attempt

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...ayor-washington.html

A Democrat mayor has suggested Trump faked his assassination attempt - and claimed he may have been inspired by tactics used at wrestling matches.

Aberdeen's mayor Douglas Orr said he is standing by his belief that Trump may have cut his ear as part of the stunt, and is asking that independent doctors review his injury.

Sickening.. and TDS on display right there..

Yes, a stunt that resulted in death of retired fireman and father. Does anyone rational think that Trump would fake something like this, let alone try to fake it to the extent of death and injuries to the audience? Does anyone rational think that anybody rational would pull a stunt like this?

The mofo mayor needs to be removed from office for suggesting it. Needs to be examined for even thinking it. Seriously, WTF. This ain't just party line bickering. The mayor is one sick bastard.

The families should sue, using the case against Alex Jones as a basis and take everything he owns.

^^^ I don't know...
So where did he climb on to the roof?

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Whatever. The point is that a spotlight was recently shown on it, and it was made clear that Thomas and likely at least four others on the Supreme Court were looking at it and would probably rule against the Special Counsel. It was a not so subtle hint that told Judge Cannon they had her back.

She probably didn't throw it out previously because she wasn't quite ready to stick her neck out that far until Justice Thomas made it clear the direction the Justices were leaning.

Did the Trump defense team ever move to dismiss based on this earlier? If they didn't, then the judge would have nothing to decide, right? I think they may have just missed this angle and filed the motion after Thomas suggested it.

As long as I've been "politically aware" there have been "special counsel" - Ken Star being the first I remember, and more recently Mueller and Durham. Never really asked how they were put into those positions, so now that we are talking about this, were they were the result of legislation or Senate confirmation? Or were all/some of them unconstitutionally hired?

Sometimes familiarity and past practice prevents us from seeing the obvious things...

Apologies for drifting the thread away from discussion on Saturday's events, but this thread seemed like the right place for the question (rather than starting a fresh one): What happens in Virginia if Trump picks Youngkin as running mate?

Does the Lieutenant Governor step in as Governor at that point? Special election? I admit, I know zip about this process... and that's why I come here to ask the question.