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Staring back from the abyss |
Interesting that his body is 10ish feet away from his rifle. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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Well a 300 magnum to the brain can cause the body to "react" he probably convulsed and tossed it. | |||
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I read the article and Frum comes off as an unhinged psychopathic deranged lunatic. __________ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy." | |||
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Savor the limelight |
That’s the picture I was thinking of. There’s what looks to be a backpack close to the crossover between the two buildings. If he climbed up there, the tree could have concealed him from the counter sniper’s view. I really don’t have a clue. No clue how tall the tree is or how dense its foliage is. I’m not offering it up as an excuse for anyone either. Just an armchair observation. | |||
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I thought I read somewhere that some other sniper shot the shooter, not the two snipers on the rooftop behind Trump. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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I can not imagine what Trumps wife and children are going through right now. To us he is President Trump. To them he was husband and father. Irreplaceable. The man who lost his life protecting his family from gunfire can never be replaced. His blood is on the leftist's hand and they should be reminded of that at every opportunity. This is what happens when you dehumanize people. _____________________________________________ I may be a bad person, but at least I use my turn signal. | |||
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Oh nos! It wasn't from a grassy knoll, was it? | |||
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Ha, knoll it wasn't. But I think the comment also mentioned the sniper was at a distance of about 400 yards, perhaps on the rooftops adjacent to the pond. Would it make sense for snipers to be there? And take a 400 yard shot? "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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wishing we were congress |
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I had not seen that image or video. It's interesting as the images you see of LEOS standing on top of the guy after the shooting seem to place him much closer to the west edge of the roof. Who knows. Steve Small Business Website Design & Maintenance - https://spidercreations.net | OpSpec Training - https://opspectraining.com | Grayguns - https://grayguns.com Evil exists. You can not negotiate with, bribe or placate evil. You're not going to be able to have it sit down with Dr. Phil for an anger management session either. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
It's not a flat rooftop. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
I know a retired counter sniper from the POTUS detail. For them, 400 yards is close. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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They must have meant 400 feet, not yards. 400 feet is about 130 yards, which is what's being reported. | |||
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Could it be the counter snipers discounted the close rooftop because it was supposed to be occupied by friendlies? I can’t imagine any counter-sniper team being tasked with rooftops from 100 yards out. I suspect this was a failure in the planning stages, that rooftop should have had officers on top of it, and the snipers thought so. This would also explain if they happened to glance over and see someone on top with a rifle that they would discount it, and also be looking further out for the source of incoming fire when it occurred. Just a thought, I can’t imagine that they would explicitly ignore that rooftop if they thought it was a potential source ahead of time, someone else had to have that assigned as their area of responsibility. | |||
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Ammoholic |
This is the third time I've seen references to a local officer allowing the gunman to shoot. What the fuck? Even he the shooter got the drop on him. Why didn't the officer reengage the shooter when he got in prone position? I would like to think that police would engage in a gun battle to save the attendees if not the former/future president. Would that be normal protocol in a situation like this? Obviously this isn't a normal situation, but at least an active shooter, or similar. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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A Grateful American |
I'm finding that hard to accept. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Same. I can only imagine that scenario ends with cop and shooter dead, OR cop or shooter dead. There's no scenario I can imagine that ends with both alive. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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1. We don't know everything about this encounter 2. Should the officer have just drawn on him...we don't know the scenario. 3. I'm going to give the officer the benefit of the doubt here, likely climbed up the ladder and saw Crooks, got Crooks attention (yelled at him? made enough noise?), Crooks points rifle at him, officer ducks-down below sightline expecting fire. Officer radio's in the situation, Crooks know's his gig is up and begins shooting. I'm sure the officer is now wishing he would've just done something versus calling it in...if he did. Fortunately a very bad situation becoming a worse situation was avoided. We're at the 24-hr mark since this happened, we'll need more time to see this sorted out. | |||
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Savor the limelight |
That’s a perspective thing with the camera and photo. The picture was taken from so far away and then cropped, everything looks like it’s right there. Beyond the guys standing there, you can see the facade of the building at the parking lot end as well as the light that is hanging over that facade. It looks like the one guy’s camo covered knee is leaning against that light fixture. That light is on the opposite end of the building from the back of the building we see in the picture. There’s zero chance anyone could accurately estimate how long that building is based on that photo. The footage from behind Trump also shows this effect. The pictures from the front make it look like the people in the bleachers are mere inches behind Trump. The footage from behind proves otherwise. It’s also how people can take pictures of people holding up the Leaning Tower of Pisa. | |||
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