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Originally posted by MikeGLI:

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Originally posted by Ironmike57:
Yep. A .300 Win Mag to the head has to hurt.

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
I'd call him "dead guy on roof" instead of shooter at this point.

I bet it didnt.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Interesting that his body is 10ish feet away from his rifle.

Well a 300 magnum to the brain can cause the body to "react" he probably convulsed and tossed it.

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Originally posted by HRK:

If one wants a clear mental picture of how these people think, look no further than The Atlantic, this published post shooting is exactly the problem in America, and wouldn't be surprised to see The View and others come out with similar shows on Monday. Vile, despicable, and clearly part of the problem.

This is who they are, what they think, what they say about us, not only behind our backs when we walk by, but now, right out in the open.

The link is to a MSN copy of the article, but for those who don't want to click, the article is posted.

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The Gunman and the Would-Be Dictator Opinion by David Frum

I read the article and Frum comes off as an unhinged psychopathic deranged lunatic.

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Originally posted by kkina:
Maybe this aerial shot shows better. He was more to the right, but maybe just cleared that big tree.

That’s the picture I was thinking of. There’s what looks to be a backpack close to the crossover between the two buildings. If he climbed up there, the tree could have concealed him from the counter sniper’s view. I really don’t have a clue. No clue how tall the tree is or how dense its foliage is.

I’m not offering it up as an excuse for anyone either. Just an armchair observation.

I thought I read somewhere that some other sniper shot the shooter, not the two snipers on the rooftop behind Trump.

I can not imagine what Trumps wife and children are going through right now. To us he is President Trump. To them he was husband and father. Irreplaceable.

The man who lost his life protecting his family from gunfire can never be replaced. His blood is on the leftist's hand and they should be reminded of that at every opportunity.

This is what happens when you dehumanize people.

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Originally posted by konata88:
I thought I read somewhere that some other sniper shot the shooter, not the two snipers on the rooftop behind Trump.

Oh nos! It wasn't from a grassy knoll, was it?

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by konata88:
I thought I read somewhere that some other sniper shot the shooter, not the two snipers on the rooftop behind Trump.

Oh nos! It wasn't from a grassy knoll, was it?

Ha, knoll it wasn't.

But I think the comment also mentioned the sniper was at a distance of about 400 yards, perhaps on the rooftops adjacent to the pond. Would it make sense for snipers to be there? And take a 400 yard shot?

view from behind Trump

https://x.com/i/status/1812572714109956098

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Originally posted by trapper189:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by kkina:
Maybe this aerial shot shows better. He was more to the right, but maybe just cleared that big tree.

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That’s the picture I was thinking of. There’s what looks to be a backpack close to the crossover between the two buildings. If he climbed up there, the tree could have concealed him from the counter sniper’s view. I really don’t have a clue. No clue how tall the tree is or how dense its foliage is.

I’m not offering it up as an excuse for anyone either. Just an armchair observation.

I had not seen that image or video. It's interesting as the images you see of LEOS standing on top of the guy after the shooting seem to place him much closer to the west edge of the roof. Who knows.

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Originally posted by konata88:

I'm having some difficulty reconciling these two images for where the shooter is on the roof... Where is the person who took this picture located?

It's not a flat rooftop.

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Originally posted by konata88:
…And take a 400 yard shot?

I know a retired counter sniper from the POTUS detail.

For them, 400 yards is close.

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Originally posted by konata88:

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by konata88:
I thought I read somewhere that some other sniper shot the shooter, not the two snipers on the rooftop behind Trump.

Oh nos! It wasn't from a grassy knoll, was it?

Ha, knoll it wasn't.

But I think the comment also mentioned the sniper was at a distance of about 400 yards, perhaps on the rooftops adjacent to the pond. Would it make sense for snipers to be there? And take a 400 yard shot?

They must have meant 400 feet, not yards. 400 feet is about 130 yards, which is what's being reported.

Could it be the counter snipers discounted the close rooftop because it was supposed to be occupied by friendlies? I can’t imagine any counter-sniper team being tasked with rooftops from 100 yards out. I suspect this was a failure in the planning stages, that rooftop should have had officers on top of it, and the snipers thought so. This would also explain if they happened to glance over and see someone on top with a rifle that they would discount it, and also be looking further out for the source of incoming fire when it occurred. Just a thought, I can’t imagine that they would explicitly ignore that rooftop if they thought it was a potential source ahead of time, someone else had to have that assigned as their area of responsibility.

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Originally posted by sdy:
view from behind Trump

https://x.com/i/status/1812572714109956098

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This is the third time I've seen references to a local officer allowing the gunman to shoot. What the fuck? Even he the shooter got the drop on him. Why didn't the officer reengage the shooter when he got in prone position?

I would like to think that police would engage in a gun battle to save the attendees if not the former/future president.

Would that be normal protocol in a situation like this? Obviously this isn't a normal situation, but at least an active shooter, or similar.

I'm finding that hard to accept.

Same. I can only imagine that scenario ends with cop and shooter dead, OR cop or shooter dead. There's no scenario I can imagine that ends with both alive.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by sdy:
view from behind Trump

https://x.com/i/status/1812572714109956098

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This is the third time I've seen references to a local officer allowing the gunman to shoot. What the fuck? Even he the shooter got the drop on him. Why didn't the officer reengage the shooter when he got in prone position?

I would like to think that police would engage in a gun battle to save the attendees if not the former/future president.

Would that be normal protocol in a situation like this? Obviously this isn't a normal situation, but at least an active shooter, or similar.

1. We don't know everything about this encounter
2. Should the officer have just drawn on him...we don't know the scenario.
3. I'm going to give the officer the benefit of the doubt here, likely climbed up the ladder and saw Crooks, got Crooks attention (yelled at him? made enough noise?), Crooks points rifle at him, officer ducks-down below sightline expecting fire. Officer radio's in the situation, Crooks know's his gig is up and begins shooting. I'm sure the officer is now wishing he would've just done something versus calling it in...if he did. Fortunately a very bad situation becoming a worse situation was avoided.

We're at the 24-hr mark since this happened, we'll need more time to see this sorted out.

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Originally posted by steve495:
It's interesting as the images you see of LEOS standing on top of the guy after the shooting seem to place him much closer to the west edge of the roof. Who knows.

That’s a perspective thing with the camera and photo. The picture was taken from so far away and then cropped, everything looks like it’s right there. Beyond the guys standing there, you can see the facade of the building at the parking lot end as well as the light that is hanging over that facade. It looks like the one guy’s camo covered knee is leaning against that light fixture. That light is on the opposite end of the building from the back of the building we see in the picture. There’s zero chance anyone could accurately estimate how long that building is based on that photo.

The footage from behind Trump also shows this effect. The pictures from the front make it look like the people in the bleachers are mere inches behind Trump. The footage from behind proves otherwise. It’s also how people can take pictures of people holding up the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

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Originally posted by Tuckerrnr1:
This is what happens when you dehumanize people.

Everything else going on aside, this one thing is an irrefutable fact. All the worst atrocities in the world have followed on the heels of the perpetrators being told the victims are inhuman, or less than human. For a long time, now, we to the right of center have been painted by those on the other side as monstrous - a threat to their very existence. The people I know with conservative values just want to be left alone, and yet the other side is told we want to carry out genocide against those whose values we don't agree with. I can't imagine anything further from the truth, and the restraint shown yesterday in the wake of this speaks to that.