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Victor Davis Hanson puts it together here on the culpability of the left and ads some spicy criticism of the SS/LEO coverage of the event.

https://x.com/VDHanson/status/1812434677312983429





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Assassination Porn and the Sickness on the Left

If we were leftists and we were to use leftist tropes to editorialize the recent attempt on Trump’s life, then we would frame the assassination attempt in the following way:

We have witnessed for years blatant exceptions to the once common custom that we don’t normalize the imagined killing of any president or presidential candidate and thus lower the bar of violence.

But the Left constantly makes Trump an exception. Now, it as if the imagined killing of Trump had been mainstreamed and become acceptable in a way inconceivable of other presidents.

(Do we remember the rodeo clown who merely wore an Obama mask during a bull riding contest and was punished by being permanently banned by the Missouri State Fair authorities?)

So since at least 2016 there has been a parlor game among Leftist celebrities and entertainers joking (one hopes), dreaming, imagining, and just talking about the various and graphic ways they would like to assassinate or seriously injure Trump:

By slugging his face (Robert De Niro), by decapitation (Kathy Griffin, Marilyn Manson), by stabbing (Shakespeare in the Park), by clubbing (Mickey Rourke), by shooting ( Snoop Dogg), by poisoning (Anthony Bourdain), by bounty killing (George Lopez), by carrion eating his corpse (Pearl Jam), by suffocating (Larry Whilmore), by blowing him up (Madonna, Moby), by throwing him over a cliff (Rosie O’Donnell), just by generic “killing” him (Johnny Depp, Big Sean), or by martyring him (Reid Hoffman: “Yeah, I wish I had made him an actual martyr.”).

Or should we deplore the use of telescopic scope imagery, given that the Left blamed Sarah Palin for once using bullseye spots on an election map of opposition congressional districts, claiming that such usage had incited the mass shooting by Jared Lee Loughner?

Yet, recently POTUS Joe Biden was a little bit more graphic and a lot more literal.

In a widely reported call to hundreds of donors last week, Biden boasted, “I have one job, and that’s to beat Donald Trump. I’m absolutely certain I’m the best person to be able to do that. So, we’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye.”

"In a bullseye?”

At least, Biden did not go back to the full Biden beat-up porn of the past (e.g., “If we were in high school, I’d take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him"/ “The press always asks me, ‘Don’t I wish I were debating him?’ No, I wish we were in high school – I could take him behind the gym. That’s what I wish.”).

Then there is the question of the Secret Service and one’s political opponents. Given the tragic history of the Kennedys, why in the world did the Biden administration not insist that third-party candidate Robert Kennedy, Jr. be accorded Secret Service protection? Because his candidacy was felt to be disadvantageous to Biden?

And why just this April would the former head of the January 6th Committee and 2004 election obstructionist Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) introduce legislation ridiculously entitled, “Denying Infinite Security and Government Resources Allocated toward Convicted and Extremely Dishonorable (DISGRACED) Former Protectees Act” to strip away Secret Service protection for former President Trump and by this April current leading presidential candidate?

Had Thompson’s bill passed, would that not have been confirmation for a potential shooter to feel his task was just made much easier?

But in a wider sense, if the common referent day after day on the Left is that Trump is another Hitler (cf. a recent The New Republic cover where Trump is literally photoshopped as Hitler), then it seems reckless not to imagine an unhinged or young shootist believing that by taking out somewhat identical to one of the greatest mass murderers in history, he would be applauded for his violence?

So is their logic, shoot Trump and save six million from the gas chambers?

After all, The New Republic defiantly explained their Hitler-Trump cover photo this way, "Today, we at The New Republic think we can spend this election year in one of two ways. We can spend it debating whether Trump meets the nine or 17 points that define fascism. Or we can spend it saying, “He’s damn close enough, and we’d better fight.”

Well, New Republic, recently someone took you up on your argument that Trump was “damn close enough” to Hitler and so he likewise chose to “fight”— albeit with a semi-automatic rifle.

If ad nauseam, a Joy Reid is screaming about Trump as a Hitlerian dictator ("Then let me know who I got to vote for to keep Hitler out of the White House”) or Rachel Maddow is bloviating about studying Hitler to understand Trump, then finally the message sinks in that a mass murderer is about to take power—unless....

Finally, the idea, if true, that bystanders spotted a 20-year-old on a nearby roof with a gun, a mere 130 yards from Trump, and in vain warned police of his presence, is surreal.

Is it all that hard for the Secret Service to post a few agents on the tops of a few surrounding buildings closest to the dais, or at least coordinate with local law enforcement to do the same?

That is a no brainer. Whoever made the decisions concerning the proper secret service security details for presidential events should be immediately fired.


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Don't jump to conclusions based purely on social media speculation.


All of this.

Was at my barber shop this morning and the guy cutting my hair said that he had heard from someone that it was all fake! We then discussed it at length. Told him about this site and to not form a opinion based just "I heard this"
 
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I have a question for those more knowledgeable than I am.

Government snipers at all levels - Police, State Trooper, Secret Service, FBI etc., are actually tools under a higher command structure. The rifleman is subject to ROE (Rules of Engagement) and cannot fire unless a “Green Light” authorizes him to fire.

Does anyone on the Forum know about Secret Service ROE? Authorizing a kill shot on someone who is likely an American Citizen is a VERY difficult call, even though we prefer to think it is/should be straightforward.

Simply because I believe that “Guy on roof with rifle” should be an automatic shoot scenario, does not mean that is true.

So…anyone with experience?


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Shooter ID'd through bio-metrics and DNA? Would have been the fastest DNA results on the planet ... and to get a match somehow. Lots going on the media isn't aware of I'm sure. Unless the shooter was dropped off, there has to be an unclaimed vehicle around there somewhere. Wonder if that might have figured in.
 
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Melania's statement:

https://www.newsmax.com/politi...dkt_nbr=010502c4hi6y

Melania Trump: 'Let Us Reunite'

"I am thinking of you now, my fellow Americans.

We have always been a unique union. America, the fabric of our gentle union is tattered, but our courage and common sense must ascend and bring us back together as one.

When I watched that violent bullet strike my husband, Donald, I realized my life, and Barron's life, were on the brink of devastating change. I am grateful to the brave secret service agents and law enforcement officials who risked their own lives to protect my husband.

To the families of the innocent victims who are now suffering from this heinous act, I humbly offer my sincerest sympathy. Your need to summon your inner strength for such a terrible reason saddens me.

A monster who recognized my husband as an inhumane political machine attempted to ring out Donald's passion — his laughter, ingenuity, love of music, and inspiration. The core facets of my husband's life — his human side — were buried below the political machine. Donald, the generous and caring man who I have been with through the best of times and the worst of times.

Let us not forget that differing opinions, policy, and political games are inferior to love. Our personal, structural, and life commitment — until death — is at serious risk. Political concepts are simple when compared to us, human beings.

We are all humans, and fundamentally, instinctively, we want to help one another. American politics are only one vehicle that can uplift our communities. Love, compassion, kindness and empathy are necessities.

And let us remember that when the time comes to look beyond the left and the right, beyond the red and the blue, we all come from families with the passion to fight for a better life together, while we are here, in this earthly realm.

Dawn is here again. Let us reunite. Now.

This morning, ascend above the hate, the vitriol, and the simple-minded ideas that ignite violence. We all want a world where respect is paramount, family is first, and love transcends. We can realize this world again. Each of us must demand to get it back. We must insist that respect fills the cornerstone of our relationships, again.

I am thinking of you, my fellow Americans.

The winds of change have arrived. For those of you who cry in support, I thank you. I commend those of you who have reached out beyond the political divide — thank you for remembering that every single politician is a man or a woman with a loving family."




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Really interested in the final after action report on this,

Don't hold your breath. First, they "won't comment on an ongoing investigation", and then it'll be time to set up committees and commissions and special counsels, etc.... It'll be a good long time before we learn the facts here, if ever.


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'Let Us Reunite'



How do two parties, 180 degrees apart on almost everything reunite? I don't believe there's enough common ground there.


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Melania's statement:


Much much more class than any First Lady in recent memory especially that egotistical manipulative harpie currently beside Pedo Two Scoops Pinocchio Bidet.



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Trump rally victim is a former fire chief who heroically shielded wife and daughters from bullets



https://www.foxnews.com/live-n...tion-attempt-july-14


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Trump rally victim is a former fire chief who heroically shielded wife and daughters from bullets



https://www.foxnews.com/live-n...tion-attempt-july-14


That breaks my heart.




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Oh shit, after the PA press conference, they are talking about the weapon aka high powered AR 15. Roll Eyes
It didn't take long.
 
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Government snipers at all levels - Police, State Trooper, Secret Service, FBI etc., are actually tools under a higher command structure. The rifleman is subject to ROE (Rules of Engagement) and cannot fire unless a “Green Light” authorizes him to fire.


Not really true.

Generally, when the requirements for legal justification for the use of deadly force (Garner v TN, Graham v. Connor, State law [not applicble to federal agents], etc) are met, you dont need, nor should you ask (see Uvalde city officer outside of the elememtary school with the rifle) for any permission do do your job.

In this case, which was an active assailant with a rifle firing into a crowd, every requirement for the use of deadly force was clearly present, so no permission should be asked for, or given.

The chain of command stuff only comes up when the marksman cannot ascertain the elements of justification, requirimng someone else to take responsibility for the initiation of deadly force.


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PJW’s take is spot on.

ETA: Dementiajoe is going to address the nation this afternoon. I don’t give a fuck what he says. His administration FAILED here.

Failed.
Failed.
Failed.





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“In this case, which was an active assailant with a rifle firing into a crowd, every requirement for the use of deadly force was clearly present, so no permission should be asked for, or given.”

Correct - when the assailant opened fire, the SS Sniper initiated firing, essentially after reaction time. It appeared that the assailant “might” have been targeted before he began firing, hence my question.


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PJW’s take is spot on.

ETA: Dementiajoe is going to address the nation this afternoon. I don’t give a fuck what he says. His administration FAILED here.

Failed.
Failed.
Failed.


This video is worth the 10 minutes. Thanks for posting it.
 
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Will anyone here actually believe whatever crap staged photos the fbi comes up with at the shooters home? Remember what they did in Florida at Trumps home.



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After the assassination attempt on Trump, the Biden Re-Election Campaign OVER. Totally irrelevant now what the Dems do with/about Biden.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...-shooting-rally.html



https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...ump-rally-rcna161751

Frenzied Democratic effort to replace Biden comes to a standstill after Trump rally shooting
After the shooting at the Trump rally, the Biden campaign tried to cut back campaign activity, including taking down television ads, a campaign official said.

By Natasha Korecki and Carol E. Lee

For two weeks, tumult enveloped the Democratic Party. Suddenly, it’s all at a standstill.

Numerous Democrats said Saturday the assassination attempt at former President Donald Trump's rally in Pennsylvania would put a halt to any efforts to replace President Joe Biden. At least for now.

“I think it’s over,” a Biden ally said. “You just lose all momentum.” [more at link]


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I’m fairly certain that the screenshot going around showing him to be a republican is photoshopped. Look directly under where it says republican and there are smudges there that stop exactly after the third to last letter.

Democrat is two letters shorter than republican.


It's not photoshopped. You can look it up on the PA Dept of State website. He was a registered as a Republican. But he also donated to ActBlue on Biden's inauguration day. Will be interesting to see what the FBI can find in his house, computer, etc.

"Crooks was a registered Republican, according to voting records, but he only participated in the Nov. 8, 2022, state election, due to his age. Records show that he made a $15 donation to Progressive Turnout Project, a Chicago-based political action committee that supports Democrat candidates for public office and claims to advocate for "key Democratic constituencies: young people, minorities and low-income people."

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Correct - when the assailant opened fire, the SS Sniper initiated firing, essentially after reaction time. It appeared that the assailant “might” have been targeted before he began firing, hence my question.


Possibly, since the rooftop where the shooter set up should have been secured, the counter snipers were concerned he was another counter sniper from a local agency. Their quick reaction suggests they were aware of him.


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