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In what must be a few hundred pages back in this thread, we saw concerns that the Mrna vaccines may do harm in long term natural response of the body's natural defences. Given we now know that vaccinated populations are being infected at higher than expected rates, does anyone recall seeing a "why" instead of just that the vaccine doesn't protect like advertised? Anyone know of a study of the body's response after vaccination? ------------------ The plural of anecdote is not data. -Frank Kotsonis | |||
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I’m not an expert but I’ve been trying to research this to no avail. I still have lots of questions. Basic ones even. Like: 1. Even if the mRNA works perfectly as designed, what adverse long term effects are possible? 2. If the mRNA doesn’t work perfectly, what (ibid)? 3. Can the mRNA be manufactured perfectly every time? I don’t know anything that can be made 100% identical every time. If the mRNA has variations, what are the short and long term implications - what could unintended variations cause? 4. Etc "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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The British government has spilled the beans about that fact that once you get double jabbed, you will never again be able to acquire full natural immunity. In its Week 42 “COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report,” the U.K. Health Security Agency admitted on page 23 that “N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.” It goes on to explain that this antibody drop is basically permanent. What’s this mean? We know the vaccines do not stop infection or transmission of the virus (in fact, the report shows elsewhere that vaccinated adults are now being infected at much HIGHER rates than the unvaccinated). What the British are saying is they are now finding the vaccine interferes with your body’s innate ability after infection to produce antibodies against not just the spike protein but other pieces of the virus. Specifically, vaccinated people don’t seem to be producing antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein, the shell of the virus, which are a crucial part of the response in unvaccinated people. https://assets.publishing.serv...e-report-week-42.pdf "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Is this for the mRNA shots only? Or includes the viral vector J&J shot as well? "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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First American to contract omicron COVID variant was ‘fully vaccinated,’ Fauci admits https://www.lifesitenews.com/n...inated-fauci-admits/ Wednesday saw the first confirmed case of the so-called “omicron” variant B.1.1.529) of COVID-19 to hit the United States in a fully vaccinated Californian traveling home from South Africa. A press release from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC) indicates that the unnamed individual experienced “mild symptoms that are improving” and the infection is believed to be contained, with the patient self-quarantining and all close contacts having tested negative. The press release claims the variant’s emergence “further emphasizes the importance of vaccination” for everyone ages five and up and boosters for everyone 18 and up, but White House COVID czar Dr. Anthony Fauci acknowledged in separate remarks that the individual was “fully vaccinated,” though he had not yet gotten a booster. It is not yet known how long ago the individual was vaccinated; whatever protection the COVID vaccines confer wanes substantially after just six months (or less, depending on the vaccine), driving the government’s push for booster shots. The omicron variant has been detected in several nations, including Botswana, South Africa, Hong Kong, and Israel, sparking various travel bans, border closures, and new lockdown measures. The World Health Organization (WHO) has said that the Omicron variant can spread more quickly than other variants, but some experts believe increased fear is unwarranted. “The virus is behaving just how viruses behave,” says Dr. Paul Elias Alexander, former Trump administration COVID adviser and assistant professor at McMaster University in evidence-based medicine and research methods. “They are mutable and mutate and, via Muller’s ratchet, we expect this to be milder and milder mutations and not more lethal ones given the pathogen seeks to infect the host and not arrive at an evolutionary dead-end.” The federal government considers more than 197 million Americans (59% of the eligible) “fully vaccinated” against COVID-19, though the metric is something of a moving target given the vaccines’ temporary nature and the possibility of changing the definition of “fully vaccinated” to include boosters. It is unknown how the vaccines will hold up against omicron, but a body of data suggests that the mass vaccination strategy has failed to defeat the COVID strains already in America. In October, data from Johns Hopkins University showed that more Americans died of COVID-19 this year (353,000) than in all of 2020 (352,000). “In the USA, a total of 10,262 COVID-19 cases were reported in vaccinated people by April 30, 2021, of whom 2,725 (26.6%) were asymptomatic, 995 (9.7%) were hospitalized, and 160 (1.6%) died,” Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor for hygiene and environmental medicine at the University Medicine Greifswald, wrote last month, which he suggested may be explainable by the vaccinated population’s misconceptions about the shots’ effectiveness and could lead them to behave less cautiously than they did last year. The first four cases of the omicron variant of COVID-19 identified in Botswana were also among fully vaccinated individuals. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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You can look at pro sports as if they are a control group. They are all fully vaccinated. Not just the players but coaches, trainers, equipment managers, any of the sports media people or anyone who they may come in contact with are all fully vaccinated. Yet they are passing the Covid around like the mashed potato bowl at Thanksgiving dinner. The NHL has had to keep several teams from playing stretches of games until enough players would finally test negative. Rarely do they tell you if the players is exhibiting symptoms or not they are just listed as out on Covid protocol. In Aaron Rogers case he is not vaccinated and tested positive. The only way he could have gotten it is from a vaccinated person. Much of this is due to inaccurate tests. Why would Lebron need to be tested three times in one day? Two are positive and one being negative. What does that prove? "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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Robert Spencer: "So the vaccines are going to get less effective than they already are, yet Fauci says we must ward off the deadly omicron by getting vaccinated, even though the first U.S. omicron case was vaccinated. The response to this is always, 'Ah, but it would have been so much worse if they hadn't been vaccinated,' but that is an unproven article of faith for the Fauciites. And as evidence mounts of severe side effects from the vaccines, a dangerous one." Fauci: First U.S. Omicron Case was Vaccinated, Now Protect Yourself by Getting Vaccinated https://pjmedia.com/news-and-p...-vaccinated-n1538151 "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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The lack of logic defies all thresholds of stupidity. Which apparently suits 50% of this country just fine. | |||
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Naturally. Just like one recent seasonal flu season they missed on the strain so the vaccine they developed turned out to be no more than 23% effective. Yet everybody was still supposed to go out and get jabbed because, if nothing else, it might help alleviate symptoms from an infection against which it was ineffective. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Mandate? What mandate? Hearing from people in multiple industries that companies have basically already given up on forcing employee vaccinations. Also, an update on the Xi (I mean Omicron, silly me!) variant Alex Berenson Robin Williams famously joked that when British police (who are mostly unarmed) see a criminal running away, they yell: “Stop!” Pause… “Or I’ll stay stop again!” Something similar seems to be happening with big companies in the wake of the 5th Circuit’s stay of the Biden Administration’s vaccine mandate requirement. I have now heard from several people that they have either submitted requests for exemptions and heard nothing back or been given helpful advice on how to be approved. Others have simply ignored their employers’ deadlines and faced no penalties. With discontent over the mandate high and rising, the job market tight, and a good chance the Supreme Court will strike down the Biden rule before it ever takes effect, the fact employers are slow-walking enforcement shouldn’t surprise anyone. The mess over boosters only makes matters worse. Companies will surely not want to be in the position of having this fight with employees every six months. The failure of the mandates is obvious in the data around first-time vaccinations - even their imminent arrival could not raise the levels of first doses in the United States to more than about 500,000 a day on average. And they are starting to slide again. This chart is even grimmer than it appears for vaccine fanatics, though. The great vaccination push took place February through May. But with mRNA vaccines falling to near-zero efficacy against infection six months after the second dose, the United States is now likely moving away from vaccine-generated herd immunity. Lockdowns are off the table, so we will have to get there the old-fashioned way, with natural infection and recovery. (Assuming the vaccines don’t interfere with that process, an open question.) Of course, if the health authoritarians can scare the scareable into getting boosters, they can hold off the inevitable for maybe four months or so. That delay will take us through the winter, just long enough to avoid really hideous year-over-year comparisons that will make even the most doe-eyed wonder exactly what any of this has been for. Ladeees and yentlemen, I give you Omicron! https://alexberenson.substack....mandate-what-mandate "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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UK sees 44% increase in child deaths after jab rollout for young teens, data shows https://www.lifesitenews.com/n...ng-teens-data-shows/ U.K. reports on child deaths from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that, in the weeks since the COVID shot has been administered to children between ages 12 and 15, recorded deaths have risen by 44 percent above the 2015-2019 average for the same time period. According to the ONS’ “five-year average weekly deaths by sex and age group” figures between 2015 and 2019 among children ages 10-14, there were 41 deaths recorded from week 38 (late September) to week 45 (early November). Within the same time period, the weekly figures recorded for the year 2021 show that 59 children died, representing a 43.9 percent rise in deaths over the five-year average. A report from The Exposé notes that deaths among 10-14-year-olds have been consistently above that of the national five-year average since the shots started being administered to children, save for one week, week 42. Week 38 saw more than double the deaths among the young age group, going from a five-year average of three deaths to eight deaths in 2021. The single largest weekly death count was observed in week 40, about two weeks after the jab had been rolled out, at which point 11 children died in 2021 compared with the five-year average of four, representing a 175 percent rise in deaths. Breaking down the data into male and female categories, The Exposé showed that although more boys’ deaths were recorded, 2021 has marked a greater percentage of increase in deaths for girls. Overall, 24 boys died between weeks 38 and 45 on the five-year average scale, whereas 34 died in 2021, marking a 41.7 percent increase in deaths. The greatest number of boys’ deaths were recorded in Week 40, during which time seven boys died, up 250 percent from the five-year average. Among girls age 10–14, ONS records show an average increase of 47 percent in weeks 38 to 45 of 2021 over the five-year average, going from 17 deaths to 25. The greatest weekly record was in week 40, in which four girls ages 10-14 died, up 100 percent from the five-year average. While the quantities might appear low, the sudden change in recorded deaths is stark. For the 16 weeks before the COVID jab rollout, for example, an increase in deaths of only around 3.9 percent is observed, a factor of 10 less than the weeks thereafter. The highest increase in deaths recorded during the prior 16 weeks was in week 28, in which a 200 percent increase from the five-year average occurred, going from two to six deaths. Unlike the time after the shots started being administered to 12-year-olds, the earlier period saw some large drops in deaths from the five-year average to now, with the largest decrease in deaths observed in week 23, during which time deaths dropped by 55.6 percent, down to four deaths from nine. Though there is a pattern of increased deaths since the shots began being used in children, the causes of the deaths were not published. The push to vaccinate young children comes despite the fact that children face extremely low risk from COVID-19. This combined with the thousands of reports of serious adverse events and deaths after the jabs has led numerous experts to criticize the push to inject children with the experimental shots. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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Well the Krauts have finally done it. Mandatory vaccinations and lockdowns for the unvaccinated. Those people just can't get enough authoritarianism. Shitty CNN Story | |||
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Door to door invasions? Tie people down and jab them? "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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is anyone aware of any tele-medicine organization here in the US that would accept you as a client and be willing to prescribe Ivermectin as a treatment? | |||
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How to Get Ivermectin https://covid19criticalcare.com/pharmacies/ I'm thinking about buying 100 tablets.. and divy them up to people here. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Thanks. Will start digging in to that this weekend. Was also thinking about picking up a few hundred tablets myself. | |||
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Looking at the FLCCC i-mask protocol it recommends .4 - .6 mg/kg per treatment with 5 treatments? even with the 12mg ivermectin pills available that's around 4 pills per dose for most people if I'm reading that correctly. ~ 20 12mg pills per person for a full treatment? I reject your reality and substitute my own. --Adam Savage, MythBusters | |||
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