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Originally posted by bigdeal:
And the Babylon Bee strikes gold again.

Thanks for the laugh this morning bigdeal, I needed that!

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Wasn't there a science fiction movie or TV show about a planet where the inhabitants are incapable of lying?

I believe it was a Star Trek episode, but off the top of my head, can't remember if it was TOS or TNG. I think...THINK...it was TNG. Oh...afterthought after clicking Post Now...did Demolition Man touch on that issue? A society that was void of lying?

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Originally posted by wcb6092:

https://www.jpost.com/breaking...es-new-report-680214

What I find suspiciously missing from every televised or written report mentioning "the unvaccinated being the majority of..." are actual numbers. The article posted above is a perfect example. There's lots of very specific numbers mentioned, but all we get is:

"They said that since serious cases tend to be younger people and the unvaccinated, they are hospitalized for longer periods of time and are therefore crowding the country’s intensive care units."

"On Friday, there were 41 COVID-19 patients connected to heart-lung ECMO machines, the majority of whom were unvaccinated, according to the Health Ministry."

In this particular article, there's also a vagueness in reporting ages of people affected:

"among them 221 who were ventilated" of which "Two of these young people were unvaccinated young expecting women, ages 20 and 27" or
"Twenty of the patients were ventilated in critical condition, including two 40-year-olds who were hooked up to ECMO machines."

Obviously, the data is being kept track of, but for some reason are not being reported.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Wasn't there a science fiction movie or TV show about a planet where the inhabitants are incapable of lying?

The Invention of Lying, 2009. Starred Ricky Gervais. He learns how to lie in a world where everyone is truthful.

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What I find suspiciously missing ... are actual numbers.

Yup. I see it everywhere. It's part of their scare tactics. If they tell you the real numbers it's not nearly as bad as they've led you to believe.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
What I find suspiciously missing from every televised or written report mentioning "the unvaccinated being the majority of..." are actual numbers.

There was an article in our local paper the other day that broke down specifics. The hospital in town is a regional center and where someone from all of Central MN would go with severe Covid.

The actual count is 57/62. The 5 vaccinated that were admitted were all over 65. Fifteen of the total were under 50.

Yes trapper, that sure is suspicious.

I wonder why they’d be shielding the ‘numbers’?

Evil rat-bastards!!

‘Dozens’ of Massachusetts State Troopers Submit Resignations Over Vaccine Mandate

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...mandate_4017245.html

Dozens of Massachusetts State troopers have submitted their resignations ahead of a deadline to comply with the state’s mandatory COVID-19 vaccination mandate.

“Many of these troopers are going to be returning to their previous municipal police departments within the state that allow for regular testing and masks,” State Police Association of Massachusetts head Michael Cherven said in a statement. “To date, dozens of troopers have already submitted their resignation paperwork.”

“Throughout COVID, we have been on the front lines protecting the citizens of Massachusetts and beyond,” he added. “Simply put, all we are asking for are the same basic accommodations that countless other departments have provided to their first responders, and to treat a COVID-related illness as a line of duty injury.”

It came as a Massachusetts Superior Court judge rejected the union’s request to delay the vaccine mandate, which goes into effect Oct. 17. Exemptions are granted, under an order issued by the governor’s office, to those seeking religious or medical exemptions to the vaccine.

“We are disappointed in the judge’s ruling; however, we respect her decision,” Cherven also remarked. “It is unfortunate that [Gov. Charlie Baker] and his team have chosen to mandate one of the most stringent vaccine mandates in the country with no reasonable alternatives.”

The State Police Association of Massachusetts had filed a lawsuit last week saying the Oct. 17 deadline would cause troopers “irreparable harm” and sought more time to “negotiate the terms and conditions of their employment.” They also had sought to have troopers who are not vaccinated instead submit to regular COVID-19 testing and wearing a mask on the job.

But the judge, Jackie Cowin, said that delaying the vaccine mandate wouldn’t serve the public’s interest.

“The public interest is, unquestionably, best served by stopping the spread of the virus, in order to protect people from becoming ill, ensure adequate supply of medical services, and curtail the emergence of new, deadlier variants of the virus,” according to her ruling.

At the federal level, the Biden administration earlier this month issued an order mandating that all federal workers and contractors, including law enforcement personnel, get the COVID-19 vaccine. Earlier, the federal government stipulated that federal employees and contractors who didn’t get the shot would have to instead wear masks, socially distance, and undergo routine testing.

A few dozen federal employees, including U.S. Secret Service members, filed lawsuits last week against the Biden administration over the mandate. Some argued that a prior COVID-19 infection should preclude them from receiving the vaccine, while others said that mandatory vaccines would violate their religious freedom.

The Epoch Times has contacted Gov. Baker’s office for comment.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
There was an article in our local paper the other day that broke down specifics. The hospital in town is a regional center and where someone from all of Central MN would go with severe Covid.

The actual count is 57/62. The 5 vaccinated that were admitted were all over 65. Fifteen of the total were under 50.

Interesting what Dr. George Morris, CentraCare's COVID-19 incident response commander has to say about those 5: “And even the ones that were vaccinated, they're 65 and above and we know [those] were the cases where they tended to not have as strong of an immune response or as long of an immune response,"

He seems to be saying the vaccines don’t work as well in those over 65 compared to those under 65. Link

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by HuskySig:
Is the house of cards about to fall? Here's to hoping so.

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

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Conclusions:

Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

Sadly, there are a number of studies with similar conclusions. Yet, those in power continue to eschew treatment in favor of prevention, even though their preventive measures have failed and will continue to do so. It makes no sense...unless there is another agenda.

Personally, I believe the goal is/has been to utterly disrupt the healthcare system in this country, and worldwide for that matter, in order to usher in universal healthcare. "Never let a good crisis go to waste", and all that.

Will the COVID-19 crisis catalyse universal health reforms?

I agree with both your points fully. I have been saying since Obamacare started the end goal was to collapse the current healthcare system in the United States and use it as an excuse for nationalized ( socialized ) medicine.
Regarding ivermectin I have read research articles and there is a definite correlation with effectiveness.
However unlike the very expensive medications approved for limited use in the states in only the most serious of cases ( where efficacy is dubious at best) no big pharmaceutical company ( many linked directly or indirectly to certain key share / stake holders ) make money off a drug so cheap and generic.
One of the more telling data points ( forgive me for not having exact numbers) is that in African countries where ivermectin is used extensively for parasitic illnesses they have far lower rates of Covid and Covid related death

India's Ivermectin Blackout - Part III: The Lesson of Kerala

https://www.thedesertreview.co...12-2b31ae87887a.html

The New York Times reported India’s colossal drop in COVID cases was unexplainable, while the BBC declared that Kerala’s rise was also a mystery. While new cases of COVID in Uttar Pradesh are rare as million-dollar lottery tickets, in Kerala, a tiny state located in southern India, new daily cases are the same as the United States, nearly one case per thousand. Yet, as we have seen in this series, there has been a curious media blackout on India’s overall success against COVID.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-58054124

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/0...delta-mysteries.html

"Kerala has been reporting over 22,000 new COVID infections in the last three days. No other state in India is even close to the 10,000 mark. The COVID conundrum in the southern state has led to several questions, with no certain answers."

https://timesofindia.indiatime...cleshow/84862049.cms

The Times of India published this statement on July 29. Kerala has continued to have the majority of new daily cases and almost 25% of India's daily deaths despite a population of 34 million, less than 3% of India's total population.

On August 15, Kerala accounted for 18,582 of India's 32,937 new cases and 102 of India's 417 new deaths. By contrast, the Ivermectin-using state of Delhi, with nearly the same population size, recorded only 53 new cases and ZERO deaths. In comparison, Uttar Pradesh, with almost eight times as many inhabitants, had only 30 new cases and ONE death.

Kerala had 619 times as many new cases as Uttar Pradesh and over 100 times as many deaths.

So what could Kerala be doing wrong?

Hint: Over-reliance on vaccines and under-reliance on Ivermectin.

Uttar Pradesh led India in its use and has done even better than Delhi because they use Ivermectin early and preventatively.

"Uttar Pradesh was the first state in the country to introduce large-scale prophylactic and therapeutic use of Ivermectin. In May-June 2020, a team at Agra led by Dr. Anshul Pareek, administered Ivermectin to all RRT team members in the district on an experimental basis. It was observed that NONE OF THEM developed COVID-19 despite being in daily contact with patients who had tested positive for the virus," Uttar Pradesh State Surveillance Officer Vikssendu Agrawal said.

https://indianexpress.com/arti...-deaths-low-7311786/

Uttar Pradesh has a policy of treating ALL the contacts of an infected patient prophylactically with Ivermectin. In other words, in Uttar Pradesh, everyone in the house gets Ivermectin treatment even if only one is infected. Ivermectin is known to reduce mortality in infected and dramatically lowers the viral load, thereby helping reduce the spread of the virus to others.

https://www.medrxiv.org/conten...5.31.21258081v1.full

Dr. Tess Lawrie discussed the Ivermectin-related reduction in viral load and reduced transmissibility.

https://committees.parliament....nevidence/36858/pdf/

https://journals.lww.com/ameri..._treatment_of.7.aspx

Tamil Nadu rejected India's Ivermectin protocol on May 14 in favor of Remdesivir and mirrored our U.S. FDA policy. The U.S. also reflected Tamil Nadu’s dismal results.

https://www.thedesertreview.co...11-ab378d521f9a.html

To be clear, on April 22, the All India Institute of Medical Science (AIIMS) and the Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) added Ivermectin to the protocol as an option for the early treatment – even in mild cases – of COVID-19.

https://www.indiatoday.in/coro...9-1794038-2021-04-22

https://www.amazon.com/Ivermec...R-Hope/dp/1737415909

This guideline was updated May 17, 2021, and continues to incorporate Ivermectin, although some states like Tamil Nadu and Kerala have chosen NOT to adopt this Ivermectin protocol – much to their detriment.

https://covid.aiims.edu/clinic...t-covid-19-patients/

Despite a widespread attempt by the media and WHO to convince the world that India has dropped Ivermectin by citing the DGHS, the ICMR and AIIMS have not changed their position, and Ivermectin remains in the India National Protocol.

https://m.economictimes.com/in...cleshow/83321687.cms

While Kerala included Ivermectin in their state’s guideline in April, they restricted it’s use to only in Class B - severe cases or those with associated disease, making its use much less than if mild cases were allowed. This meant it was reserved as a late treatment if used at all.

https://health.kerala.gov.in/p...delines_apr_2021.pdf

Finally, Kerala abandoned Ivermectin use altogether on August 5, 2021.

https://health.kerala.gov.in/p...ines_V4_August_5.pdf

Juan Chamie, the Cambridge-based data analyst who has provided graphical insight and published on COVID, provided his answer to why Kerala's COVID cases have spun out of control.

"My main current explanation is the lack of early treatment. Kerala’s COVID protocol from April 2021 included Ivermectin, but not as an early treatment. As a result, only a small group qualified, those in Category B patients having high-risk factors. The new protocol from August 5 is even worse. They removed Ivermectin (completely)."

Another factor, according to Juan, was poor contact tracing. In addition, according to an Indian Governmental Audit, FAMILY TRANSMISSION was a significant problem.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/.../article35860715.ece

The Hindu reported on August 11, 2021, stated, "In districts such as Malappuram and Kozhikode, where the family size is huge and joint families are the norm, the transmission was spreading within families leading to a high test positivity rate."

Juan Chamie added this about the test positivity rate, “If you look at the test positivity rate of Kerala, it declined from over 25% to 10% and remained stable around it. Since the last protocol change that removed Ivermectin, the positivity rate is increasing. In less than two weeks, the positivity rate jumped and right now is above 15%, the highest in the last two months.”

However, the most problematic feature is Kerala's high vaccination rate compared to the other Indian States. While vaccination should be a good thing, it can have severe negative consequences when it leads to rampant viral transmission.

Uttar Pradesh beats all other states (except Bihar) with the lowest COVID deaths and infections because of early and preventative Ivermectin use IN ALL FAMILY CONTACTS. This is despite Uttar Pradesh having only a 4.9% vaccination rate, one of the five lowest of all states in India. On the other hand, Kerala ranks in the top five most vaccinated states. Kerala has vaccinated 70% citizens 45 years and older, and almost 56% of its population has had at least one shot.

The problem with that is that vaccination may give a state a false sense of security.

For example, in an article published on August 13, the details of the Kerala lockdown were discussed. Those with a PCR negative test, those with prior resolved COVID infection, and those WITH AT LEAST ONE VACCINATION were exempted.

https://indianexpress.com/arti...s-explained-7439694/

As of August 13, 56 percent of Kerala adults over age 18 who had received at least one shot were allowed to mingle and transmit the virus freely. While Ivermectin lowers the viral load and inhibits transmission, the same cannot be said for vaccination.

Viral loads of the vaccinated are just as high as those of the unvaccinated as the CDC has admitted. This means that a vaccinated infected person can spread the virus just as quickly as an unvaccinated. Moreover, the viral load of the Delta infection is often on the order of 1,000 times greater than in the original strain. Finally, a vaccinated person may have milder or no symptoms leading them to take fewer precautions.

https://www.npr.org/sections/c...hrough-mask-guidance

Many people believe that breakthrough infections in the vaccinated are a rare occurrence. However, the truth of the matter is the opposite. Breakthrough infections can occur with even GREATER FREQUENCY in the vaccinated. For example, in the recent Massachusetts outbreak, the CDC reported that out of 469 cases, fully 74% occurred in the vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/3...ully-vaccinated.html

Finally, the top five states surging in the United States with record COVID infections currently contain two states in the most vaccinated third: Oregon and Hawaii.

The situation in Oregon is severe enough to call the National Guard, while Hawaii's health director is using terms like disaster and crisis.

"When we see this exponential growth in the amount of people that are getting infected with COVID-19 every day - 2,000 people in the last three days – that’s a crisis. And at the point at which we overwhelm our resources, that's a disaster."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/1...lizations-rise-.html

As of August 16, 2021, Hawaii ranked number 17 in percent fully vaccinated at 54.29%. Oregon ranked number 12 with 56.79%.

https://www.beckershospitalrev...inated-march-15.html

And the Indian state of Kerala ranks in the top five most vaccinated of India's 29 states. However, if a vaccinated person spreads the virus while someone on Ivermectin does not, that would explain Kerala's epic failure.

The lesson?

Ivermectin can make up for the low use of vaccination. However, vaccination cannot make up for the low use of Ivermectin.

wcb6092 excellent information ^^^^^^^ !!! God Bless !!

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India's Ivermectin Blackout

India has a population of 1.37 billion people and will overtake China as the most populated country in the world very soon. I wonder if there are any numbers of the number of people that have been saved or recovered from covid by using Ivermectin. Possibility it could be more than the population of the USA. Just my questions and thoughts. God Bless !!!

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Originally posted by trapper189:
He seems to be saying the vaccines don’t work as well in those over 65 compared to those under 65.

It is my understanding that the immune response is weaker in the elderly with pretty much any vaccine. They've had a stronger dose of influenza vaccine for seniors for a long time before Covid.

"Your body, my choice."

Shit, they stole my line.

Everything about the plandemic has been a lie.

Ivermectin isn’t effective in combatting Covid. Lie.
Masks are effective in stopping the spread of Covid. Lie
The vaccines are highly effective at stopping Covid. Lie.
If you get the vaccine, you can go back to a normal life. Lie.
The unvaccinated are the reason Covid won’t go away. Lie.
The mortality rate for Covid is 1.8%. Lie.
US officials did not know about, or advocate gain of function virus enhancement. Lie.
Get the booster and we can get Covid under control. Lie.

Lie after lie after lie.

Take all those lies and miss information and tally up how many people died because of it. Death that could have been avoided by listening to science. Ironic.

You can't even trust the numbers that have been tallied up. Many States used a 30 or 60 day window after contracting Covid for fatality reporting. So if you had Covid on August 1st, recovered August 14th, and died on a motorcycle accident on September 27th, you cause of death would/could be labeled as Covid.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
Everything about the plandemic has been a lie.

Ivermectin isn’t effective in combatting Covid. Lie.
Masks are effective in stopping the spread of Covid. Lie
The vaccines are highly effective at stopping Covid. Lie.
If you get the vaccine, you can go back to a normal life. Lie.
The unvaccinated are the reason Covid won’t go away. Lie.
The mortality rate for Covid is 1.8%. Lie.
US officials did not know about, or advocate gain of function virus enhancement. Lie.
Get the booster and we can get Covid under control. Lie.

Lie after lie after lie.

"Lie la lie, lie la la la lie lie
Lie la lie, lie la la la la lie la la lie" ---- Simon & Garfunkel

Excellent and informative information regarding all aspects of the COVID calamity. Obviously written by those in the know. It’s eye opening if you’ve had your eyes closed to what’s going on, and affirming, in great detail, what most of us (on this forum and across America) have already come to grips with. I do, however, disagree with his conclusions as to what is to be done about it and some of their other questions left unanswered. But all in all probably one of the best reads on this topic to date.


Original link here: https://www.zerohedge.com/covi...ter-thats-gone-viral


Intro from the copied website below:

Damn You To Hell, You Will Not Destroy America" - Here Is The 'Spartacus COVID Letter' That's Gone Viral

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BY TYLER DURDEN
MONDAY, SEP 27, 2021 - 12:00 AM
Via The Automatic Earth blog,

This is an anonymously posted document by someone who calls themselves Spartacus. Because it’s anonymous, I can’t contact them to ask for permission to publish. So I hesitated for a while, but it’s simply the best document I’ve seen on Covid, vaccines, etc. Whoever Spartacus is, they have a very elaborate knowledge in “the field”. If you want to know a lot more about the no. 1 issue in the world today, read it. And don’t worry if you don’t understand every single word, neither do I. But I learned a lot.

The original PDF doc is here: https://www.docdroid.net/kZZXc...spartacus-letter-pdf