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Originally posted by Ironbutt:
... who is stupid enough to voluntarily sign up for the government to have info on where you go & who you come in contact with? Right?

Well, evidently, they found at least 70,000 brain dead people to sign up, and now their personal info has been leaked by the contractor the state hired for $23M.

It is the nature of such things that they are attractive targets. Thus...

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“We were under the impression that this was the health department, and no one’s going to see this but the health department. I’m shocked,” said Chapman.

Well, Ms. Chapman, welcome to the real world. Too bad you were utterly ignorant of the fact these things happen all the time, so it behooves one to stay out of such databases to the extent possible.

Next up: Ms. Chapman, or any number of the other victims of this data leak/breach, get to experience the joys of identity theft.

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Originally posted by AKSuperDually:
Evidence is finally showing up though, that the chances of dying from Covid post shot (assuming you've had your booster for the latest variant floating around), is considerably less.

The chance of me or anyone else who is relatively young and healthy dying from covid can't get much lower. Therefore I'm assuming you're referring to older adults with that statement.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by AKSuperDually:
Evidence is finally showing up though, that the chances of dying from Covid post shot (assuming you've had your booster for the latest variant floating around), is considerably less.

The chance of me or anyone else who is relatively young and healthy dying from covid can't get much lower. Therefore I'm assuming you're referring to older adults with that statement.

Being not really qualified to know the real numbers, my uneducated assumption is that the vaccine might make sense for the extremely rare young person who doesn't get through Covid well, and obviously any person who would KNOW they likely wouldn't get through Covid well....might make the decision to go for the shot.

In the example I posted, the person who ended up on the ventilator is a 40ish old male, probably healthier than myself. That's about all I know about him though.

I'm with you Halze, we're probably not wrong in speculating that 96% of the world can ride right on through the current Covid strain without needing medical assistance, and 99% of the world probably won't die. The part I am considering is...what if I'm in the 4% (reasonable given my lung damage, and weight status), and having the shot in my system means I don't have to spend time in a hospital or worse, on a ventilator? I don't believe we should mandate vaccines, and I hate that propaganda is so thick regarding truth surrounding Covid and the vaccines. Given their history, people like Fauci and Biden are known liars...so anything they say is suspect. I'm hesitant to believe my step-mother simply because she repeats so much of the propaganda and leans more and more towards the socialist agenda.

Back to my point...it can be true that chances of dying or experiencing serious complications of Covid are decreased significantly by taking these vaccinations. It can, and I believe is, also true that an overwhelmingly large percentage of people in the world will never experience horrible symptoms or death from Covid even without the shots. That's why these decisions should be personal, and not mandated.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
BTW - what the hell is "shedding"?

Had an associate tell me to be wary around people who were recently vaccinated due to a sharp increase of shedding cases in the US this week. Apparently, transferrable side effects from a recently vaccinated person(s). I had never heard of this until today. (if it is even legit)

Shedding is very legit. That’s why pregnant women aren’t supposed to be around some vaccinated people for a certain period of time. I have no idea about the Covid vaccines though.

A person getting an mRNA vaccine would not be shedding virus particles. As mentioned they could still get Covid but they won’t be shedding from the vaccine.

Every adult here and elsewhere for the most has the agency to choose for himself whether the shot is right for him. I have faith most can reason the risks vs the benefits of getting inoculated. All I want in return is the choice to say no without any caveats or exceptions to that decision in regards to how I conduct my life on a day to day basis.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Every adult here and elsewhere for the most has the agency to choose for himself whether the shot is right for him. I have faith most can reason the risks vs the benefits of getting inoculated. All I want in return is the choice to say no without any caveats or exceptions to that decision in regards to how I conduct my life on a day to day basis.

100% agree with you.

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Originally posted by AKSuperDually:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Every adult here and elsewhere for the most has the agency to choose for himself whether the shot is right for him. I have faith most can reason the risks vs the benefits of getting inoculated. All I want in return is the choice to say no without any caveats or exceptions to that decision in regards to how I conduct my life on a day to day basis.

100% agree with you.

Correct. Whether a person decides to get vaccinated is their choice.

What I can't understand is why the CDC mandates that those who are vaccinated still continue to wear masks to protect those who are not vaccinated.

Since the vaccine is now available to all who want it, & it's supposedly 95% effective, then if a person decides not to get vaccinated & ends up getting covid, that was their decision. Nobody else is responsible for their health choices.

Our illustrious NC Governor says masks are no longer mandated outdoors.

Half the population doesn't believe it.

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Originally posted by frayedends:
Do you think the shot caused the virus or just she got it even with a vaccine? As I understand it the vaccine is not attenuated virus so while it can certainly have horrid side effects it can’t cause Covid.

Either way, more proof that it's all a farce. Pure theater on pharma's part as well as the governments, all goaded on by a deceptive media!

What happens if I mix these vaccines? Say I get a Pfizer and then uh something that's not Pfizer.

What happens? If nothing happens, how will we know that the non-event was not not affected by the vaccine cross-pollination? Without the vaccines, could the nothing that happens, have not happened without the vaccines? Or am I confused?

How about if I take does 2 before dose 1, then take another dose 2, then a dose 3?

Maybe I just need a card that says I'm in the control group.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Every adult here and elsewhere for the most has the agency to choose for himself whether the shot is right for him. I have faith most can reason the risks vs the benefits of getting inoculated. All I want in return is the choice to say no without any caveats or exceptions to that decision in regards to how I conduct my life on a day to day basis.

Should absolutely be your right. I took the J&J today and the lady told me not to lose my card because I'll need it for travel. It's wrong.

Also, they are telling people not to laminate their cards because boosters "may be required" down the line.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
What happens if I mix these vaccines? Say I get a Pfizer and then uh something that's not Pfizer.

What happens? If nothing happens, how will we know that the non-event was not not affected by the vaccine cross-pollination? Without the vaccines, could the nothing that happens, have not happened without the vaccines? Or am I confused?

How about if I take does 2 before dose 1, then take another dose 2, then a dose 3?

Maybe I just need a card that says I'm in the control group.

I think that actually happened recently, Para. They gave someone the wrong second dose.

https://www.wwaytv3.com/2021/0...-brand-for-2nd-dose/

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"A mixed series is safe, as (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) guidance recommends mixing the series if the brand from the first dose is not available at the second dose," the department said. "While there have not been any clinical studies on whether a mixed series is as effective as a complete series, it will still provide enough protection that a third dose is not necessary or recommended."

Gov. Bill Lee of Tennessee... I'm starting to like this guy.

First, permit-less handgun carry, legislation he ran for office on, effective 6/1/2021.

Now... reported on Channel 5TV news.
He just issued an executive order that REMOVES ALL state level Covid restrictions. And revokes all authority of TN counties that have State run Health Departments to enforce local restrictions for Covid. Thats 89 of 95 counties. Unfortunately it doesn't go into effect for another month. Also he requested that the remaining 6 counties remove their restrictions and stated this opening up will not be allowed to fail. He said the 30 day wait was for business time to gear up for return to no restrictions.

He removed the "Emergency" status of the state due to Covid, said it was now a manageable disease.
He stated appointments are no longer requested for the Vaccine shot and all counties with State run Health Departments will now accept walk-ins.

As far as I know Bill was never an elected politician before winning the Governor's seat.

Governor Lee attended Auburn University, where he studied Mechanical Engineering. After graduation, he returned home to Franklin to join the family business his grandfather started in 1944, a comprehensive mechanical construction service company. He became president of Lee Company in 1992.

And in today's news the TSA just extended the face mask requirement for air, bus, and rail through September 13. So much for the carrot to get vaccinated I guess.

https://www.tsa.gov/news/press...ports-and-throughout

The last couple of times I flew, they made me mask up going through the TSA checkpoint. They were nice enough to give me a mask, as I said I didn't have one. I then removed it, replaced it with the ratty one in my pocket (adding the new one to my stash of never-paid-for-a-mask-masks), and promptly removed it once through the checkpoint and in the airport proper. Lather-rinse-repeat when getting onto the plane (adding another mask to the stash).

Anyone want to buy some like-new masks?

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Originally posted by parabellum:
What happens if I mix these vaccines? Say I get a Pfizer and then uh something that's not Pfizer.

What happens? If nothing happens, how will we know that the non-event was not not affected by the vaccine cross-pollination? Without the vaccines, could the nothing that happens, have not happened without the vaccines? Or am I confused?

How about if I take does 2 before dose 1, then take another dose 2, then a dose 3?

Maybe I just need a card that says I'm in the control group.

Well. If one were a professional drinker, one would say "do not mix". I've seen assholes start on vodka and transfer to whiskey and other. They were useless the day after.

Those that stayed true to the booze of choice and hydrated were good to go the next day.

I imagine the same is true for these damned experimental "fixes" of the chinese flue.

Fuck their poison. I'll stick with vodka. Might fry my organs but wont cause fatal blood clots or paralysis.

Might as well die with a grin than screaming in pain.

One:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw

If this article is accurate and just the spike protein can damage the vascular system. What are going to be the long term effects of an MRNA vaccine that makes your own body produce the spike protein?

THE NOVEL CORONAVIRUS’ SPIKE PROTEIN PLAYS ADDITIONAL KEY ROLE IN ILLNESS

https://www.salk.edu/news-rele...key-role-in-illness/

Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease

LA JOLLA—Scientists have known for a while that SARS-CoV-2’s distinctive “spike” proteins help the virus infect its host by latching on to healthy cells. Now, a major new study shows that they also play a key role in the disease itself.

The paper, published on April 30, 2021, in Circulation Research, also shows conclusively that COVID-19 is a vascular disease, demonstrating exactly how the SARS-CoV-2 virus damages and attacks the vascular system on a cellular level. The findings help explain COVID-19’s wide variety of seemingly unconnected complications, and could open the door for new research into more effective therapies.


“A lot of people think of it as a respiratory disease, but it’s really a vascular disease,” says Assistant Research Professor Uri Manor, who is co-senior author of the study. “That could explain why some people have strokes, and why some people have issues in other parts of the body. The commonality between them is that they all have vascular underpinnings.”

Salk researchers collaborated with scientists at the University of California San Diego on the paper, including co-first author Jiao Zhang and co-senior author John Shyy, among others.

While the findings themselves aren’t entirely a surprise, the paper provides clear confirmation and a detailed explanation of the mechanism through which the protein damages vascular cells for the first time. There’s been a growing consensus that SARS-CoV-2 affects the vascular system, but exactly how it did so was not understood. Similarly, scientists studying other coronaviruses have long suspected that the spike protein contributed to damaging vascular endothelial cells, but this is the first time the process has been documented.

In the new study, the researchers created a “pseudovirus” that was surrounded by SARS-CoV-2 classic crown of spike proteins, but did not contain any actual virus. Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model—proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease. Tissue samples showed inflammation in endothelial cells lining the pulmonary artery walls.

The team then replicated this process in the lab, exposing healthy endothelial cells (which line arteries) to the spike protein. They showed that the spike protein damaged the cells by binding ACE2. This binding disrupted ACE2’s molecular signaling to mitochondria (organelles that generate energy for cells), causing the mitochondria to become damaged and fragmented.

Previous studies have shown a similar effect when cells were exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, but this is the first study to show that the damage occurs when cells are exposed to the spike protein on its own.

“If you remove the replicating capabilities of the virus, it still has a major damaging effect on the vascular cells, simply by virtue of its ability to bind to this ACE2 receptor, the S protein receptor, now famous thanks to COVID,” Manor explains. “Further studies with mutant spike proteins will also provide new insight towards the infectivity and severity of mutant SARS CoV-2 viruses.”

The researchers next hope to take a closer look at the mechanism by which the disrupted ACE2 protein damages mitochondria and causes them to change shape.

Other authors on the study are Yuyang Lei and Zu-Yi Yuan of Jiaotong University in Xi’an, China; Cara R. Schiavon, Leonardo Andrade, and Gerald S. Shadel of Salk; Ming He, Hui Shen, Yichi Zhang, Yoshitake Cho, Mark Hepokoski, Jason X.-J. Yuan, Atul Malhotra, Jin Zhang of the University of California San Diego; Lili Chen, Qian Yin, Ting Lei, Hongliang Wang and Shengpeng Wang of Xi’an Jiatong University Health Science Center in Xi’an, China.

The research was supported by the National Institutes of Health, the National Natural Science Foundation of China, the Shaanxi Natural Science Fund, the National Key Research and Development Program, the First Affiliated Hospital of Xi’an Jiaotong University; and Xi’an Jiaotong University.

Desantis Suspends all COVID 19 orders

DeSantis executive order suspends all local COVID-19 orders; St. Pete mayor unhappy
By Spectrum News Staff Florida
UPDATED 12:11 PM ET May. 03, 2021 PUBLISHED 10:18 AM ET May. 03, 2021
ST. PETERSBURG - Gov. Ron DeSantis is suspending all local COVID-19 orders immediately by executive order.

The announcement was made Monday morning while DeSantis was visiting St. Petersburg.

DeSantis said while COVID isn’t over, the need for emergency rules is.

The bill the governor signed Monday gives him the ability to override local emergency orders like the ones passed throughout Florida after the pandemic began.

It does not take effect until July 1, but DeSantis said his executive order suspends local ordinances immediately.

“The bill ensures that neither the state or local governments can close businesses or keep kids out of in-personal instruction unless they satisfy a demanding and continuous justification,” he said.

t. Petersburg Mayor Rick Kriseman posted on Twitter his displeasure with the governor's action.

"Today, in preempting both local governments AND businesses from keeping their establishments safe, Ron DeSantis decided he cares not about public health, but power," Kriseman said.

In another tweet, the mayor said: "To be clear, cities like St. Pete, Tampa, Orlando, Miami and Miami Beach, saved Florida and the governor's behind throughout this pandemic. Can you imagine if each city had been led by Ron DeSantis? How many lives would have been lost? What would our economy look like today?"

During his Monday remarks, the governor slammed other states for their COVID regulations as well as officials who say people should still wear masks and social distancing after being vaccinated.

House Speaker Chris Sprowls praised DeSantis for his handling of the pandemic, comparing him favorably to the governors of New York and California.⁦

Spectrum News reported in March that St. Petersburg’s code enforcement department has issued more than 260 municipal violations to local businesses for violating the city's COVID-19 ordinance since last summer. Those were mostly related to employees failing to wear masks or socially distance.

Such a fantastic governor.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
If this article is accurate and just the spike protein can damage the vascular system. What are going to be the long term effects of an MRNA vaccine that makes your own body produce the spike protein?

THE NOVEL CORONAVIRUS’ SPIKE PROTEIN PLAYS ADDITIONAL KEY ROLE IN ILLNESS

Unlikely an mRNA vaccine would replicate Covid's entire spike protein, rather only a portion (epitope) necessary for immune recognition to take place. The FDA would have taken this into consideration during its preliminary (emergency) review.

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Originally posted by Dakor:
Unlikely an mRNA vaccine would replicate Covid's entire spike protein, rather only a portion (epitope) necessary for immune recognition to take place. The FDA would have taken this into consideration during its preliminary (emergency) review.

That's my understanding as well. Even if it were the entire spike protein, I believe that material would be gone as soon as the antibody response was generated. It would show up as a side effect within those first few weeks, not long term.