Let us not forget Governor Whitmer who want Michigan to Vacc to Normal.

Most people have either had it or got a shot, why the fuck are we (not us, the US), still freaked out about this? Why aren't government employees back to work? Why are we still paying enhanced unemployment insurance? Why aren't kids back to school now? Why has my company deferred returning non critical employees onsite? Why is Biden still wearing masks outdoors? Why are people still walking their dogs, or driving with masks on?

Fuck all this shit.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Most people have either had it or got a shot, why the fuck are we (not us, the US), still freaked out about this? Why aren't government employees back to work? Why are we still paying enhanced unemployment insurance? Why aren't kids back to school now? Why has my company deferred returning non critical employees onsite? Why is Biden still wearing masks outdoors? Why are people still walking their dogs, or driving with masks on?

Fuck all this shit.

Yeah... the "new cases" or virus numbers in MO are practically non-existent.
This is no longer a pandemic, at least not here.
The restrictions are all BS. It's simply about power.

States Offer Beer, Cash Incentives As Vaccine Demand Softens

https://www.zerohedge.com/covi...ccine-demand-softens

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
States Offer Beer, Cash Incentives As Vaccine Demand Softens

Paid for by the pharmacy companies, of course.

Stopped into Lowes today to look for a few things. I left my mask in the truck and didn't feel like going back for it, so I just went in.

All was fine until some lady pitched a fit back by the plumbing section. I gave her the Ted Cruz response: "Ma'am, I'm fully vaccinated. I do not have it, nor can I give it to you. But, if it bothers you that much, you are more than welcome to stay away from me. You have a nice day."

She didn't like that much.

I seldom wear a mask now. I did have to go to our county Assessor's office and a mask was required so I keep one in my truck...just in case. Outside of that, NADA. Strange, I have never had anyone say anything to me about it like I have read about here on the forum.

Maybe we just don't have enough Karens.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Stopped into Lowes today to look for a few things. I left my mask in the truck and didn't feel like going back for it, so I just went in.

All was fine until some lady pitched a fit back by the plumbing section. I gave her the Ted Cruz response: "Ma'am, I'm fully vaccinated. I do not have it, nor can I give it to you. But, if it bothers you that much, you are more than welcome to stay away from me. You have a nice day."

She didn't like that much.

Personally, I liked the good ole boy in Home Depot response to the fat, half wit, moron who threw a comment his way something like, "I guess you can't read the masks required sign on the front door". Good ole boy (who was maybe 6'3" and 230) simply turned around and said "Your mouth is putting you at more risk right now than that ole virus. Now be on your way before you annoy me any more." Fat, half wit, got the point and wobbled on down the aisle.

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Maybe we just don't have enough Karens.

Move to DC metro area, we've got all the karen's you could ever want.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
States Offer Beer, Cash Incentives As Vaccine Demand Softens

Paid for by the pharmacy companies, of course.

So now they’re reduced to offering candy for people to get the snake oil? That doesn’t surprise me in the least. They’re trying to appeal to the free shit mentality because billions have been invested in developing the various vaccines.

I find it humorous that despite the intensive vaccine marketing campaign, only about 1/3 of the US and less than 10% of the entire globe is fully vaccinated. And yet here we are, not dead or dying, virus in retreat, freedom loving people openly defiant of the fear mongering.

A Pandemic of Fear

By Steve Berger

“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself-nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance” Franklin Delano Roosevelt Inaugural Address

“Hell is empty, and all the devils are here.” William Shakespeare, The Tempest

We have now clocked 14 months and counting since the “temporary emergency” (two words that send chills up any libertarian spine) lockdown orders to prevent our nation’s hospitals from being unduly stressed by the Covid 19 virus. Without denying Covid’s transmissibility or infectiousness, especially for the elderly and at risk individuals with one or more co-morbidities, I think we can all agree that we have careened from fear to fear over this period of time. Fear over hospitalizations gave way to fear over the infamous death counts displayed 24/7 by mainstream media. As death rates subsided last summer, fear of death gave way to fear over cases accompanied by an almost manic counting of tests administered. And, finally, the obsession with test and case counts has been displaced by how many have gotten their Covid shots. Fear, as FDR intoned in his famous inaugural address, is often unreasoning and unjustified. It elevates the flight or fight syndrome, causes the suspension of disbelief and leads to emotional, panic-driven decisions. At each of these four stages of Covid engendered fear, one could have raised objective counters to the prevailing narrative. To wit, very few hospitals were overcrowded. Most Covid deaths, by the CDC’s own admission are with Covid not from Covid with the latter constituting 6% of the total reported. The case counts were likely drastically overinflated as a result of faulty and overly sensitive testing methodologies. And the vaccines may not be a magical cure all preventing transmission or infection, but, if safe and effective, may minimize adverse symptoms should one contract Covid. Big pharma is already mentioning the need for annual booster shots.

Raising any of these counterpoints to the prevailing narrative is unlikely to be countered by rational, calm debate, but most assuredly will get one tagged as being a Trumpian anti-vaxxer, classic ad hominem attacks hardly deserving response. But, to set the record straight, this writer is neither a Trumpian nor an anti-vaxxer. Over time my philosophic journey has evolved from an initial belief that government was a necessary evil to thinking that is mainly evil. Few politicians are for me exemplars of moral courage or intellectual honesty. President Kennedy is one exception in my lifetime as his moral courage to avert nuclear war and dismantle the national security state very well may have cost him his life at the hands of political enemies. Before Kennedy, I have to retreat to Grover Cleveland, who had the courage time after time to uphold the Constitution, earning him the sobriquet of Mr. Veto for his repeated nays to Congressional attempts to create powers not enumerated. And saying that I am anti-vaxxer is a pejorative slight implying that I substitute superstition for medicine and science when in fact, like many, I am trying to make my own informed decision about my own health and treatment or prophylactic options.

Someone recently asked me about the origins of my love of individual liberty and how I came to embrace the non-aggression axiom at the heart of libertarian philosophy. I initially responded that after college, I followed Mark Twain’s advice never to let my schooling interfere with my education so I embarked on my own course of self-education, devouring all the classics by Rand, Rothbard, Hayek, Block, Hoppe, von Mises as well as political philosophers diametrically opposed to their love of liberty and individual responsibility. But, upon further reflection, I realized that my libertarian roots may have been present as a toddler. One of my earliest memories is my parents growing frustrated with my endless use of the word why! I guess I simply never liked being told what to do or what to think, and I think this skeptical predisposition to question authority was the fertile soil for building my set of political and moral beliefs.

So, in the spirit of being the why (and hopefully wise) guy, I have just a few questions I would like to pose to the CDC and the vaccine manufacturers before I dutifully line up to take the shots. If they can answer these fully to my satisfaction, my consent to get the shots will be informed and voluntary; if not, my submission will only occur because legal mandates will make it impossible to enjoy life on acceptable terms.

Here is my list:

1. Why is the partnership of government and 4 major vaccine manufacturers exempt from the usual harms of crony capitalism present in other industries where government and big business are allied? Bailouts and subsidies in other industries create moral hazard, socialize risk, and tend to result in high prices and/or poor product quality as the removal of market-based penalties for failure is weakened. Where many glorify Operation Warp Speed and are eager to announce Mission Accomplished much as Bush the younger did in the early days of the forever Iraq war, I have a gnawing sense of discomfort that a product is being rushed to market without full and extensive testing. The government can posture as savior. The vaccine manufacturers, who are granted legal immunity under their private/public partnership and have been provided enormous subsidies to develop the vaccines, have a pure profit opportunity with legally constrained limits on loss or reprisal. This is not meant to ascribe improper motives to either government or corporate entities as the efforts to abate the pandemic may indeed be totally humanitarian. But, zero liability and skewed risk/reward structures create incentives which leave me uneasy.

2. Are the vaccines safe and effective? If so, why are many government officials still recommending that the vaccinated wear mask(s), socially distance and otherwise put their lives on hold? Does not this public messaging do more to undercut the incentive to get a vaccine than any anti-vaxxer could create?

3. If the vaccines are so effective, how do you account for the occurrence from December 14, 2020 through last Friday of almost 120,000 adverse events in the US reported to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) including over 3500 deaths?

4. While these may statistically indeed be a small percentage of total vaccines administered to date, is it likely that the systematic underreporting to you under VAERS is on the order of just one to ten percent of all adverse events? If that is so, then do you consider the likely true number of adverse vaccine events of 1.2 to 12 million to be material?

5. And, for certain segments of the population (namely anyone under the age of 30) for whom the odds of contracting Covid and/or debilitating symptoms may be close to zero, how do you justify taking an injection which is admittedly still experimental? Is this risk/reward logical?

6. If the “vaccines” are so desirable, why have you resorted to classic propaganda techniques (including frequent public servant announcements, photo ops of athletes, politicians and movie stars getting their shots, nonstop social messaging) to encourage their acceptance? Do you think the average citizen is too infantile to provide informed consent?

7. Why are you threatening the use of vaccine passports and a legal nether world of the unvaccinated to coerce getting the shots? Do you think the average citizen is too infantile to provide informed consent?

8. Do you think that employers and colleges mandating these vaccines at your behest is consonant with the key elements of the Nuremberg Code and its strictures regarding the scope of and moral underpinnings of medical experimentation?

9. Why have dissenting views by other scientists and/or vaccine safety organizations been greeted with silence and/or censorship?

I look forward to receiving complete answers to my list of questions. In the meantime, I fully recognize and respect the decision of any individual who chooses to mask up, isolate from society and get vaccinated. It is your right and prerogative. Your body is your choice. I do not respect or recognize your ability to mandate that my individual health decisions are subject to your dictates, which, by and large, I find inhuman, inhumane and unconstitutional. I search in vain for a pandemic exception to the Bill of Rights, which were adopted with a devastating smallpox scourge in the founders’ rear view mirror. To compel that I abide by your dictates so that we can all get back a way of life that was unnaturally and unconstitutionally obliterated strikes me as morally obtuse.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/20.../a-pandemic-of-fear/

Just heard this from a friend who works at the Philadelphia Zoo, one of the biggest and the first zoo established in America:

SMDH



I just heard the real reason no ice cream places are open in the Zoo. I thought it might be they are small or air circulation or something. But it’s so they can keep up the mask nonsense. Because when you get ice cream you can walk around with it off. Unreal

Well, just hope you do not need a blood transfusion in the future.

This is a link to a recent article by Karl Denninger. In it he is analyzing and commenting upon a peer-reviewed paper in Nature, the scientific journal. The authors of the paper present a very divergent view of the vaccines that you have not heard from MSM, the government, or the CDC. I found it very interesting. It's long-ish and technical, but worth the effort, I think. I'd like to hear what some of our medical/scientific members think of it.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242205

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
States Offer Beer, Cash Incentives As Vaccine Demand Softens

https://www.zerohedge.com/covi...ccine-demand-softens

Theses state’s seem to be challenging each other to see which one can be driven over the cliff first at Ludicrous Speed!

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Originally posted by amals:
This is a link to a recent article by Karl Denninger. In it he is analyzing and commenting upon a peer-reviewed paper in Nature, the scientific journal. The authors of the paper present a very divergent view of the vaccines that you have not heard from MSM, the government, or the CDC. I found it very interesting. It's long-ish and technical, but worth the effort, I think. I'd like to hear what some of our medical/scientific members think of it.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242205

I forwarded this article yesterday to an MD friend who now primarily practices Naturopathic and Holistic Health Medicine for his opinion on it and this was his reply -

“I read it and I think he’s pretty damn spot on, I knew most of this but he pulled it all together and collectively it’s even scarier than I thought......scarier meaning the stone cold ignorance or them knowing this and still doing it as part of the deep state big plan.”

Here is another article from Denninger that it pretty profound. There are two or three hyperlinks in the article that did not carry in the cut’n paste.

Do Stupid Things, Win Stupid Prizes

It's ok folks, it's very "rare".

Uh huh, sure it is.

High school senior Emma Burkey received her “one and done” Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine on March 20, and within two weeks was in an induced coma following seizures and clotting in her brain.

She’s making a slow recovery, having recently been transfered from the hospital to a rehabilitation center, and the first round of bills totaled $513,000. The 18-year-old’s family friends in the Las Vegas area started a GoFundMe account to help with medical expenses from the very rare vaccine reaction.

An 18 year old, according to the CDC, has a roughly 1/50,000 risk of being killed by Covid-19 assuming the FDA's and CDC's "standard of care" which prohibits the use of budesonide, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies and a whole host of other drugs which we know work. One of them, budesonide, has a roughly 90% efficacy in preventing hospitalization (and of course death usually is preceded by that if you get Covid); the others also have some efficacy. Stacking just those three likely winds up around 95-99% effective, so your actual risk, if you're not a dumb-ass and are both young and get Covid-19 is more like 1/500,000.

And that's if you get Covid. The CDC says about 1/10 people have over a year's time, so your risk as a healthy 18 year old is approximately 1/5,000,000 since to be exposed to the risk of death you first must get the disease and that is not certain. Remember, according to the CDC if you die while Covid-19 positive then your death was caused by Covid-19, even though this is not scientifically proved. This is the same standard that VAERS uses for vaccine death; you died associated with receiving the shot; it is not proved it was caused, but if that's good enough for the CDC to claim the Coof killed you then it sure as hell is good enough to claim the vaccine killed you.

By the CDCs VAERS numbers and the number of delivered shots into arms the risk of the shot killing you is approximately 1/45,000 and if you take the shot the hazard is 100% probable to be undertaken, obviously. So if you're not specifically morbid the shot is one hundred times more dangerous than the disease.

Oh, and we know the VAERS reports are wildly understated. Why? Because it's a voluntary system; there is no mandate on any person or health provider to report potential adverse connected effects. While you (as the impacted individual) can report to the system obvious doing that if you're dead is somewhat difficult. Were this a mandatory system where any death within "X" time of an inoculation had to be reported, with a criminal penalty for not doing so by health providers, we might have a more-full picture. But unlike death certificates which must be issued, and the CDC rules for Covid-19 that say if you were positive any time in the last 28 days, or at death, your death is ruled Covid-related there is no such mandate for VAERS.

Maybe health insurance will pay Emma's bill, at least in part. What's Emma's deductible, if she has insurance? Will she be eating that deductible every year for the rest of her life with a continuing care requirement? Will her insurer refuse to pay entirely, since these were experimental shots? What happens if Emma wants to start a family and tries to get life insurance down the road? Will it be available at any reasonable price? Has her ability to bear a child been damaged or destroyed? What about her ability to enjoy all the things she used to enjoy; will she, for example, still be able to go for a nice jog? Can she hold a driver license? What about a CDL or pilot's license? What about something as simple as driving a forklift in a warehouse? Have the seizures permanently destroyed those options for Emma?

You think Emma hasn't had her employment prospects permanently damaged or even destroyed? Oh, yes, it's illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of their medical status (funny how people claim that "we can require vaccines!" yet ignore that the law actually makes discrimination in employment or services on the basis of medical status illegal eh?) but you can bet employers do exactly that all the time, every single day. Would you hire Emma knowing that she has a much greater risk of being a serious health insurance cost center? Not if you can get away with turning her down without her knowing you did it due to her health status! Proving that was the reason you were discriminated against is very difficult but every employer in the world can see the GoFraudMe campaign for "help." You think employers don't check that sort of thing on the down low? They sure do. Oops.

Emma's medical chart has been permanently branded by this incident and there is no possible way to erase that branding which is now in the MIB and will be with her forever. It will impact her ability to get a job and it will do lifelong damage to her economically, even if medically it appears she fully recovers, which of course nobody knows at this time.

Emma was stupid. Emma did a stupid thing; she intentionally took 100 times, that is, 10,000%, of the risk she had no choice but to accept from Covid infecting and killing her, and willingly, being 18 years old and thus an adult, pulled a personal black ball out of the bag.

She won a stupid prize for doing a stupid thing, willingly taking 100 times the natural risk.

Who failed to explain to her the above data? Who advocated for her to do said stupid thing? This is not my data it is official government data. Yet official government agencies and their employees have been screaming all over the media, the news, the CDC itself and elsewhere a factual lie; that for someone who is not at particular risk the shots are wildly more-dangerous than natural infection by the very same criteria that the CDC uses to determine whether or not Covid-19 kills you.

Do stupid things, win stupid prizes.

Now Emma knows that her government is and has been full of ****, and she learned it the hard way having been personally butt****ed by the so-called "safe and effective" shots for a disease that was far less-likely to harm her than the shot was.

There are people for whom the math runs the "right way", even given the relatively high risk profile of these shots. But being coerced by an employer, by a school, by peer pressure or by flat-out lies from various "health" organs is not only wrong it damn well ought to result in the most-severe of penalties because we are talking about risks that, if you get a bad dice roll, you can't go back and change your mind.

Don't be Emma.

Do the math before you take the jab.

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The Left Will Not Let Go of COVID
It’s far too useful for their agenda.

https://spectator.org/covid-masks-left/

Governor Walz here is to announce something tomorrow in regards to loosening restrictions. He has not yet telegraphed what that might be only saying Minnesotans should expect to have a normal summer. Well thank you Governor but shove it I've been living normally without you telling me I can do so. It will be interesting to see how his definition of normal aligns with mine.

Good! This was starting to get ridiculous:

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"Does the Public Health Service Act grant the CDC the legal authority to impose a nationwide eviction moratorium? It does not."

Federal Judge Overturns CDC's Eviction Moratorium

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
Governor Walz here is to announce something tomorrow in regards to loosening restrictions. He has not yet telegraphed what that might be only saying Minnesotans should expect to have a normal summer. Well thank you Governor but shove it I've been living normally without you telling me I can do so. It will be interesting to see how his definition of normal aligns with mine.

The rumor that has been leaked is that he will tie various stages to percentages of vaccinated residents. Basically, take the heat for the restrictions off of himself and put them on unvaccinated neighbors who can be shamed and pressured. He's taking a page from Whitmer's playbook.