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You idiots mocked, but I've been double masked for weeks, protects you from the double mutant CV-19. Time to up my game, tomorrow I am going to triple masking.

You want to get the Wuhan? Because that's how you get the Wuhan!

You need a double mask for the regular virus. Since the new virus is a double mutant you need two masks for each. A double double. No fewer than 4 masks will be effective....it's only common sense.

The double mutant strain has 2 variants at the site for receptor-binding, a first for the coronavirus. The first variant is already known to be potentially more resistant to antibodies. It is unknown whether the second also makes the virus more transmissable, but it stands to reason that it does or else why would the mutation be retained in the gene makeup. Time will tell.

Are the variants naturally mutating? Or manufactured? Or can we tell?

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A double double. No fewer than 4 masks will be effective....it's only common sense.

Thanks for catching that, I always forget to carry the one.

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Originally posted by konata88:
The J&J is more like a vaccine, correct? Whereas the other offerings are not really a vaccine but genetic modulators? That's what I thought I heard but not sure.

They're all vaccines, just different types.

As you know, the Pfizer and Moderna vaxxes are mRNA types. Normally messengerRNA carries the code from the nucleus (where DNA is stored) to the cell cytoplasm, where the info is used to manufacture proteins. mRNA vaccines directly introduce small genetic snippets (in this case which code for CV spike proteins) into the cytoplasm, where the cells make the proteins which trigger antibody production.

The injected mRNA is broken down after the amino acids are made. It is never inserted into your DNA, in fact it never even invades the nucleus. It cannot change your basic genetic structure.

The J&J vaccine is an older, existing technology called "viral vector". Spike protein DNA is spliced into a modified cold virus which cannot replicate inside human cells. This modded adenovirus is injected and allowed to infect muscle cells. The DNA enters the nuclei like other retroviruses, but only the spike protein part undergoes replication, where the information is coded onto mRNA and transmitted to the cytoplasm.

If anything, the J&J is more "genetic" in that it actually does enter the nucleus, but it still doesn't affect your existing DNA.

At any rate, they are all vaccines, they just work with different processes and vectoring methods.

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Originally posted by konata88:
Are the variants naturally mutating? Or manufactured? Or can we tell?

Well, we would assume the variants are naturally occurring, as are most viral mutations. Otherwise we're looking at a global conspiracy the scope of which we have never seen. Although some people are arguing along those lines. I'm just trying to convey the facts as we know them, and avoiding a political stance at this time.

I'm curious if we've had any true believers of the Gospel According to Saint Fauci of the Mask, who have recently joined the rest of we filthy heretics. Surely, some of you who were on board with the gov't propaganda must by now have figured it out.

It seems it's NEVER going to end...

The young lady in this yootoob video appears to be completely on board the Covid Crazy-Train.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
It seems it's NEVER going to end...

I'm sorry to say that that appears to be the plan and this is something I do not say lightly. Leftists will seize upon anything which helps them gain or retain power. People are simply going to have to become noncompliant. I'm just waiting for others to catch up.

Hell, I quit a job over the masking bullshit. Jokers demanded I wear a mask, plus a face shield on my hard hat. I worked 30 yards from the nearest employee.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I'm curious if we've had any true believers of the Gospel According to Saint Fauci of the Mask, who have recently joined the rest of we filthy heretics. Surely, some of you who were on board with the gov't propaganda must by now have figured it out.

I was pro mask before Fauci was, I think in some cases it would lessen the spread, but it would take a lot of work and make life nearly impossible to function that way. As they are used they have absolutely zero effect. I wear a single use mask at work for ten hours straight, often for a couple of times before swapping it out. During that 20, 30, 40 hours I'm wearing the mask I'm interacting with vendors, customers, security, and coworkers. We share computers, pens, walkie talkies, clip boards, talk in close proximity, and use the same bathrooms/kitchens. I'm touching tons of surfaces and interacting with multiple people per day then touching my mask, face, and personal items. There's no way to stop or slow it in that manner.

Will a mask slow the spread in a medical level of care and replacing it 20 times per day, yes. How they are used now is 100% for show and to put people's mind at ease. Here's a good example, dude who rang up my groceries tonight was having trouble with his mask for some reason, says excuse me, goes and grabs a new one. He then sets his old one on the bar code reader while he puts on his new one. If the mask was to serve any real purpose, he should have bleached the scanner and washed his hands after making the swap. Pure theater.

Mask-States vs. No-mask States. . .

https://images.app.goo.gl/GpcYSAupSjf97fkM8

. . .which shows that masks do not make a whit of difference wrt to keeping people ‘safe’ from the WuFlu.

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Originally posted by Cookster:
The young lady in this yootoob video appears to be completely on board the Covid Crazy-Train.

Nah, there's not an epidemic of severe mental illness in this country. Nah, not at all.

From a UK immunologist.

Great video. Thanks!

With different virologists and other experts coming forward, have any of them commented on a couple of questions I still have?

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Originally posted by konata88:
I'm not a scientist. This mRNA technology - let's say that they have a good solution to fight wuflu.

I have 2 dumb questions:

1) how hard is it to manufacture and test such that 100% (again 100%) is exactly as intended? I've worked in manufacturing and in my experience, there is always some sort of distribution. Statistical variance around what you're intending to make. What makes this 100% exactly replicatable to manufacture?

1a) If there is some natural variance, what are the implications? Is the 'vaccine' rendered inert? Or can bad things happen?

2) This sounds like relatively new and immature technology albeit perhaps exciting if/when done right. But (pardon some sarcasm here) we have 'top men' making computer chips, auto-driving cars, space ships, and other high tech stuff. Nothing, nothing, has been immune to human error or mistakes. Nothing. How about this vaccine stuff?

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
It seems it's NEVER going to end...

I'm sorry to say that that appears to be the plan and this is something I do not say lightly. Leftists will seize upon anything which helps them gain or retain power. People are simply going to have to become noncompliant. I'm just waiting for others to catch up.

I'm right there with you Para, and have been for some time! I had essentially bowed out of this thread over 200 pages ago, as it became glaringly clear to me that people were losing their minds, and allowing themselves to fall into the grips of the terror being sowed by all the self appointed masters so drunk on power & control. What's been disheartening (and so frustrating!) is that much of what we've been subjected to has been absolutely unnecessary, and made NO Sense whatsoever. What's shameful is all the lives & livelihoods that have been destroyed as a result, and further, the impact on the education of our children has been an absolute travesty that cannot be understated!

I too, am waiting for others to catch up, and that can't happen soon enough! Unfortunately the ongoing insanity will likely continue for long as the people let it, and therein lies the crux. Ultimately, I too expect it will require widespread Non-compliance to quell this insanity!

An NIH grant that involved the modification of bat-based coronaviruses and the transfer of $600,000 to the Wuhan Institute of Virology prior to the pandemic bypassed P3CO review because the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, led by Anthony Fauci , didn’t flag the project for review.


long article, cuts and pastes below. Best to read whole article to get all the claims / counter claims


https://dailycaller.com/2021/0...iew-board-wuhan-lab/

An oversight board created to scrutinize research that would enhance highly dangerous pathogens did not review a National Institutes of Health grant that funded a lab in Wuhan, China, to genetically modify bat-based coronaviruses.

Experts say the NIH grant describes scientists conducting gain-of-function research, a risky area of study that, in this case, made SARS-like viruses even more contagious . Federal funding for gain-of-function research was temporarily suspended in 2014 due to widespread scientific concerns it risked leaking supercharged viruses into the human population.

Federal funding for gain-of-function research was resumed in late 2017 after the Potential Pandemic Pathogens Control and Oversight (P3CO) Framework was formed within the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The review board is tasked with critically evaluating whether grants that involve enhancing dangerous pathogens, such as coronaviruses, are worth the risks and that proper safeguards are in place.

But the NIH subagency that awarded the grant to the nonprofit group EcoHealth Alliance to study Chinese bat coronaviruses opted against forwarding it to the P3CO committee, an NIH spokesperson told the Daily Caller News Foundation, meaning the research received federal funding without an independent review by the HHS board.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) is at the center of widespread speculation that COVID-19 could have accidentally leaked from a lab into the human population. EcoHealth’s grant to study bat-based coronaviruses in China included the transfer of $600,000 to the WIV.

Had EcoHealth’s grant been subjected to P3CO review, an HHS panel would have independently evaluated the grant and, if necessary, recommended additional biocontainment measures to prevent potential lab leaks — or even recommended that the grant be denied entirely.

The WIV is a biosafety level 4 laboratory, the highest level biocontainment certification, but U.S. Embassy officials issued two diplomatic cables warning about inadequate safety at the lab after a visit in 2018. One of the cables warned that the lab’s work on bat-based coronaviruses represented the risk of a new SARS-like pandemic

An annex to the World Health Organization’s COVID-19 origin report released Tuesday describes the WIV’s work using “recombinant viruses” in tests involving bat coronaviruses, which Ebright said are descriptions of gain-of-function research.

The U.S. government paused funding of gain-of-function research in 2014 after lab workers were accidentally exposed to anthrax by the Centers for Disease Control

The incident came on the heels of widespread scientific outcry in 2011 when it was revealed that laboratories in Wisconsin and the Netherlands were intentionally modifying the H5N1 bird flu virus so it could more effectively jump between ferrets.

Other scientists have said EcoHealth’s NIH-funded work in China involved gain-of-function research on bat-based coronaviruses.

“It is hard to overemphasize that the central logic of this grant was to test the pandemic potential of SARS-related bat coronaviruses by making ones with pandemic potential, either through genetic engineering or passaging, or both,” Drs. Jonathan Latham and Allison Wilson wrote in June.

The NIH terminated the EcoHealth grant in April 2020. NIH deputy director for extramural research, Michael Lauer, told the group in a letter that the agency “does not believe that the current project outcomes align with the program goals and agency priorities.”

Fauci said during a hearing before the House Energy & Commerce Committee in June that the EcoHealth grant was canceled “because the NIH was told to cancel it.”

“I don’t know the reason, but we were told to cancel it,” Fauci said.

Fauci told Politico following the hearing that former President Donald Trump’s White House ordered the NIH to cancel the grant.

Thanks for posting the Mike Yeadon video WCB.

Mike makes a critically important point starting at 7:47. At the beginning of this, only about 40% of the population were actually susceptible to disease and now more than 60% of the population are immune.

And yes, his point about the PCR test is spot on - it is "monstrously unsuitable" for this purpose.

Why governments, some so-called "experts", WHO, the media etc, are still pushing mass testing, vaccines, social distancing, masks and lockdowns is beyond illogical, it is plain evil destroying more lives than the virus ever could have.