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Originally posted by nhtagmember:

And now the bastards are saying that we might not be able to travel around our own country without kneeling down and taking their shit.

I don’t think so.

Nicely put!

Many people refuse to even consider something else is in play here. Partly because it's hard for good people to believe our Government/Big Pharma/Healthcare officials and media are capable of doing anything like this.

Nht, I do not buy that argument. If some one choose's to wear a mask they are not dictating anything to anyone. Covid is a real virus and if they have determined for themselves that a mask is something that protects them. So be it. Their choice.

Think about this. A shit ton of folks on here that are against all this gov intervention into our lives. But were all to willing to get in line for the poke. What does that tell you?

We need to respect peoples decisions to do what they determine what is best for themselves.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
A shit ton of folks on here that are against all this gov intervention into our lives. But were all to willing to get in line for the poke.

All? Not all. You'll have to force me to take a vaccine.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Nht, I do not buy that argument. If some one choose's to wear a mask they are not dictating anything to anyone. Covid is a real virus and if they have determined for themselves that a mask is something that protects them. So be it. Their choice.

Think about this. A shit ton of folks on here that are against all this gov intervention into our lives. But were all to willing to get in line for the poke. What does that tell you?

We need to respect peoples decisions to do what they determine what is best for themselves.

Have you not been paying attention? There are millions of Americans who want nothing to do with wearing a dirty cloth on our faces day in and day out just so we can go about living our daily lives, but we are being forced to wear these damn things largely because a huge part of society is bullying us or outright dictating that we do so, or else...

The point is, we simply don't have a choice. They most certainly damn are dictating that we comply with this un-American crap. And damn it, we can already see the vaccine mandates coming down the pipe. Seriously, have you been living under a rock? You don't buy that argument? Well I ain't selling it. It's a fact.

You are missing the point guys. This was specifically about Nht's post. There is no reason to be pissed off at someone who decides to wear a mask.

I agree that this whole deal that "you must" do this or that is complete BS. I get it. And I agree.

But if you are saying anyone you see wearing a mask is your enemy you are and have bought into a big part of your masters program. AND if got the poke. Well, not much else can be said. And if you are one here railing about your freedom is being taken away. We'll, you can't have your cake and it too. So to speak.

Donald came out a couple days ago saying it's OK to get the vaccine. I bet the Trump haters are confused as hell. They're probably cancelling their vaccine appointments.

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But if you are saying anyone you see wearing a mask is your enemy you are and have bought into a big part of your masters program.

I have not encountered a single person who has a problem with somebody else wearing a mask. I have however encountered many people who have problem with those not wearing them.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:

if you are that afraid of catching COVID that you need to wear a mask, stay the fuck home

This was what I responded too.

And I say just leave people alone. They can choose what they want to do.

I do understand that mandates the likes of what we have seen are unprecedented in modern history.

And the reasons for them have been sinister from the get go. No doubt about it and history will bare this out.

ORC, the problem is that because a few “want” to wear a mask, the government has taken that as a sign to impose mandates on the rest of us. I have a problem with that. No matter what “we the people” want, it’s being forced on us. I choose not to wear a mask but that keeps me out of certain places like a hospital. How is it fair to keep me out because I don’t want to wear one? What happens when my appendix is about to burst and I need an emergency appendectomy? I get to die because someone else is scared?

I am not buying that either. Gov is doing it because the people are allowing them to do whatever they see fit. Not just making people wear masks.

Tell anyone that mandates you wear a mask that you can not due to emotion distress or another reason. They cannot force you.

That’s bullshit orc. Walk into a store and say that. They will then show you the door. Nicely but you will leave.

I get that you feel the mask makes you safer. I think your science behind it is mostly fluff but whatever. You say everyone should have a choice yet no one does. I can’t “choose” to not wear a mask. Or more correctly I can’t choose to not wear a mask unless I’m willing to forego any shopping, eating, traveling, etc. That’s not a choice unless you are one of those people who watched Sophie’s Choice and said “seems reasonable”.

Masks should never have been a mandate. Oh and your people lining up to get shots is bullshit. Those people, such as you, are the same people wearing masks everywhere. If you see a non mask wearer, they probably aren’t beating down any doors to get the vaccine. Which completely ignores the lunacy of people who have gotten the complete vaccine and still wear the fucking mask. Apply science to that and come back to us.

According to people like you I am not going to see "anyone not wearing a mask", right?

I am not into making general assumptions on large segments of our population.

Do I believe many here have taken the vax? Sure, the old thread had hundreds, some of which are active posters on here about having their rights violated. Which I do believe in many case's, they are.

But did they think because they got the vax they could just go out to a restaurant or shopping like they did a year ago?

I do not know. Supposedly they can get the virus, spread it. And probably not die. Which virtually no one is now. So why get the experimental treatment in the first place.

And no, I have not got this treatment.

But go ahead and complain and make mask wearers your villain. It makes no sense.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Covid is a real virus and if they have determined for themselves that a mask is something that protects them. So be it. Their choice.

I agree this is a choice, but am incredibly disappointed that a huge majority of the public have opted to either make this decision for themselves or simply go along with government's mandates without requiring even a modicum of substantive evidence/proof that hanging a piece of cloth across their pie holes will actually accomplish anything. People are running off nothing more than conjecture and recommendations by 'experts' who have been wrong about 95% of the time when it comes to this virus. As I told someone recently, I'm not opposed to doing anything that 'will' work in hindering the spread of this or any other virus (within reason), but if you can't give me something of value to prove doing what you're asking me to do will accomplish the desired outcome, well then, I'm not going to be very inclined to comply or cooperate.

Tanzania is one of the few countries that refused to go along with the lockdowns.

Population: 58.01 million (2019)


In a tragic turn of events, Tanzania's President John Magufuli goes missing for 17 days.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/wo...as-missing-president



John Magufuli: Tanzania's president dies aged 61 after Covid rumours
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-56437852

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Please elaborate on what this means. Boris Johnson nearly died from COVID. What are you suggesting here?

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
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Please elaborate on what this means. Boris Johnson nearly died from COVID. What are you suggesting here?

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I am opting out of responding to you

You were doing so good! Let's keep it that way.

THE MASKS ARE BULLSHIT! They filter nothing,You can't convince stupid people and even Rand Paul-a real doctor- said there are no studies that prove it.None. the virus is smaller than any mask that is worn save for a hazmat suit. End of fing story.

At the risk of being repetitious, I’ll say again- there are only a few readily (somewhat) available masks that are effective in protecting people from the virus like the N95 mask. And that is only if it is properly fitted to have no gaps. A proper fit test will show just how hard it is to get an ideal seal. If you go to anywhere where you see large numbers of people wearing masks, you are hard pressed to see any legitimate masks. Most you see are garbage. Cloth masks, dust masks, and in my opinion, ANY mask made by the perpetrators of this outbreak, the Chinese, is not worthy of trust. It is a government mandated muzzle; if it makes people feel better, so be it. Aside from retards driving with them on in their own cars, or walking in the open air around nobody, I’m not going to denigrate them openly, but I won’t wear one unless a place of business where I absolutely must do business and says they will trespass me for not following the “rules”.

I wear a mask. I wear it all over the world, where it's required by every health authority on the planet, as well as every airline, and most all public transport, and outside the US, nearly universally to go into a store, be out in public, or almost any other situation outside a home.

The mask may protect me. It may protect others. The chief function of the mask is to prevent infecting others. I may be a carrier and not know it. Most who are carriers, don't know it. If the mask prevents me transmitting large water droplets when I speak or breathe or sneeze or cough, and it does a fairly effective job of that, it stops most of the virus that might escape me, should I be infected.

Should others be infected, their wearing a mask stops most large water droplets, and my mask further prevents droplets, from entering my respiratory system.

Obviously some masks do better than others.

The red herring that a virus is smaller than the filtration level of the mask is irrelevant; the virus isn't being spewed out independently; it's carried, typically in water droplets when someone speaks, coughs, sneezes, and in some respiration.

I don't wear a mask in the cockpit. I invite any crew that wishes to wear one, to wear a mask, and some do. I'm in that little office with someone for ten hours; chances are good that if one of us have it, we'll all get it. We've got quite a few crew that have picked it up that way. Not long ago after returning from three overseas military bases, I was called and informed that several on my last crew had it. I tested negative. I was the only one. I hadn't been wearing a mask in the cockpit, but neither had anyone else.

In the cockpit, a mask causes glasses to fog, and I need those, particularly on takeoff and landing. For safety of flight, I don't wear the mask. In the event of a rapid depressurization, or fire or smoke, I'm required to be able to don and seat the oxygen mask with one hand, in five seconds or less. I can't do that while removing a covid mask. Again, safety of flight. I wear my mask everywhere else, except when driving in a car alone, but there are times when it's not appropriate, and I don't.

I did just get the vaccine, as did my wife. Variants are the larger concern.

For those who think that covid measures in the US are draconian or oppressive, you ain't seen nothing yet. Visit a few other countries and see what goes on there. Or even swing by Hawaii and don't bother with a mask, or stop in a park to take a picture, or violate quarantine.

If I see someone not wearing a mask, I say nothing. Not my business, not my fight. If someone isn't wearing a mask and sees me wearing mine, I expect the same courtesy. That's all.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I am opting out of responding to you

^^^^^^
Enjoy your trip to Tanzania!!!!!