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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

I believe masks help and research shows that they do help. A very non scientific way, is watch how far smoke travels when someone exhales a drag of cigarette smoke (4-6' +/-)....someone breathing normally would exhale around the same distance..ask them to exhale a drag with a mask on.......

The research shows exactly the opposite, most of which was performed pre-2020.

But don't worry, that bandana will surely keep you protected.

Wildfire Smoke

Do not rely on dust masks for protection. Paper “comfort” or “dust” masks commonly found at hardware stores trap large particles, such as sawdust. These masks will not protect your lungs from smoke. An “N95” mask, properly worn, will offer some protection. If you decide to keep a mask on hand, see the Respirator Fact Sheet provided by CDC’s National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.

https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/wildfires/smoke.html

Those same facts along with studies by Vanderbilt and Texas A&M got me kicked off Nextdoor.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:

Those same facts along with studies by Vanderbilt and Texas A&M got me kicked off Nextdoor.

Haha, no kidding? Me too. Though I was only suspended from Nextdoor. I have not been back since.

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Originally posted by egregore:
I've been nursing something since Sunday, but I believe it to be just an ordinary cold, the same kind that often happens this time of year, and a mild one at that. I haven't had one since 2017, so statistically I'm due. Nevertheless, I'm self-isolating.

You can make an appointment at CVS or Walgreens and get tested at the drive thru, it is free.

Neighbors across the street thought they had colds and were going to get some work done on their house. The salesman saw they were sniffling and told them they would have to get tested before he would let workers in their house. They both tested positive.

A few weeks later they both had antibody tests to make sure they had really had it. The antibody tests confirmed it.

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Can you point me to research showing masks help? I guess maybe the KN95 help the person wearing them. But I've not seen any research showing the regular masks everyone is wearing do anything at all. Some research showed lower amounts of water droplets. But water droplets do not equal virus particles.[/QUOTE]

If one has an open mind, the research and data is there to support the conclusion that masks are an effective tool in controlling the spread of the disease.

Of course, some people want to believe masks are not effective, and will point to some study that reaches the opposite conclusion. But on whole, the great weight of authority concludes they are of SOME benefit.

There are several direct studies and come observational studies, most of which are compiled in these links.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020...w-face-masks-prevent

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M20-6817

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Buncha BS Links to studies that support an agenda

Noticed none of those studies happened 2019 or earlier. How easy it is to manipulate people into believing something that is contrary to all of the previous studies (that have mostly been scrubbed BTW) in support of the NEW TRUTH!

Can you or the other maskperts explain to the rest of the class why the only people I know that have contracted the Wu Flu are dedicated mask wearers? I am in regular contact with about 100 different family members and their crotch goblins, bringing the potential "carrier monkey" count to about 200. Of that, there have only been 3 cases (all mild BTW). What do those 3 people have in common? 100% mask wearing while in public (at work, shopping, or getting gas). Sooooo, yeah 100% of the mask wearers in the family have contracted the Wu Flu.

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But on whole, the great weight of authority concludes they are of SOME benefit.

Of course they are. There is "some benefit" to all sorts of things. As far as Wuhan goes, breathing half as much would be SOME benefit. Walking backwards would be SOME benefit. Using sign language instead of talking would be SOME benefit. So why masks and not all of these other things that may even be more beneficial?


And along those lines, why does the CDC (currently, because they've said the opposite in the past) say that masks work, while at the same time not factoring mask wearing into their guidance on quarantining exposed persons? 6 feet, 15 cumulative minutes. Mask or no mask, doesn't matter. Weird huh?

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Originally posted by TAllen01:
If one has an open mind, the research and data is there to support the conclusion that masks are an effective tool in controlling the spread of the disease.

If the point of wearing a mask is to prevent one from unknowingly spreading Covid (even if they are asymptomatic and not contagious), then please detail the reason they are telling people that get the vaccine that they must continue wearing the mask, even after the vaccine is fully in their system. Please cite the scientific basis they are relying on for the mandate.

I'll wait...

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
And along those lines, why does the CDC (currently, because they've said the opposite in the past) say that masks work, while at the same time not factoring mask wearing into their guidance on quarantining exposed persons? 6 feet, 15 cumulative minutes. Mask or no mask, doesn't matter. Weird huh?

They do. In dental offices, we have an extensive flowchart (from CDC) as to what constitutes a high risk exposure requiring quarantine. Wearing masks and other PPE makes it a non-exposure.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
If the point of wearing a mask is to prevent one from unknowingly spreading Covid (even if they are asymptomatic and not contagious), then please detail the reason they are telling people that get the vaccine that they must continue wearing the mask, even after the vaccine is fully in their system. Please cite the scientific basis they are relying on for the mandate.

I'll wait...

You won't have to wait long. The first phase of the trial was not designed to test if the systemic immunity prevented asymptomatic viral replication in the upper respiratory tract. That information is expected to be available next month. It is very likely that the recommendation will change at that point.

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You won't have to wait long. The first phase of the trial was not designed to test if the systemic immunity prevented asymptomatic viral replication in the upper respiratory tract. That information is expected to be available next month. It is very likely that the recommendation will change at that point.

Pick a date and let's tag and revisit.

They said on Dec 9 that they would have the data in 'several weeks'. I guess it depends on your definition of 'several'.

The word being put out, without scientific evidence to support it, is to expect to continue wearing masks 'indefinitely'.

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What the politicians do with the information is a separate issue. You asked for the scientific basis and I provided it.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
^^^^^^

What the politicians do with the information is a separate issue. You asked for the scientific basis and I provided it.

Real question. Isn't it about time we give a collective middle finger salute to this cast of clowns in government, burn these ridiculous and worthless masks, and get back to living life? Christ on a cracker, I cannot for the life of me believe people are gullible enough to keep putting up with this BS while it completely destroys their lives (i.e. not the virus but the retarded response to it).

Come on bigdeal, how could people possibly do anything that the government hasn’t told them to do

Problem is that a lot of people are perfectly happy allowing the man to tell them what to do and when to do it.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
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What the politicians do with the information is a separate issue. You asked for the scientific basis and I provided it.

Real question. Isn't it about time we give a collective middle finger salute to this cast of clowns in government, burn these ridiculous and worthless masks, and get back to living life? Christ on a cracker, I cannot for the life of me believe people are gullible enough to keep putting up with this BS while it completely destroys their lives (i.e. not the virus but the retarded response to it).

You don’t understand, if they quit doing what the media tellS them, PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!

Freezer trucks full of people.



If it saves one life......

(Funny part is all of us non mask wearers were have supposed to died off by now because we wouldn’t listen. We re all still alive and even with the gunshot wound and car wreck COVID deaths 99.9 percent still survive it.)

I haven't worn a mask since the last time I went trick or treating, around age 13. Yet I'm still here at 53, surviving through multiple surges of corona viruses over the years. How is it possible?

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I haven't worn a mask since the last time I went trick or treating, around age 13. Yet I'm still here at 53, surviving through multiple surges of corona viruses over the years. How is it possible?

In exactly the same way that most people go through their lives without carrying a pistol and manage to not get killed by criminals. Dying or getting seriously injured or killed from either Covid or gunfire is a low probability event for an individual. I wouldn't force anyone to carry a gun or wear a mask. Each should do what they feel is best for their level of risk.

Researchers are increasingly finding that the WuFlu aerosolizes. This is different that the previous assumption that it is carried on water droplets. Whereas droplet transport is like a spray that can be caught by surgical masks, and falls out of the air quickly, aerosolization is more like a fog. Masks that stop airborne water droplets (well, spit droplets) were thought to be helpful and we were told to wear them. But if the mask cannot stop smoke, then it cannot stop an aerosolized virus, which explains why we are now finding that mask usage has not reduced infection rates.

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What the politicians do with the information is a separate issue. You asked for the scientific basis and I provided it.

I think the main point is that the science has not been followed and it's all been mostly political. Especially the silly restrictions that allowed all kinds of exceptions for what the politicians wanted to allow. Case in point:


https://twitter.com/LauraHayes...310948539858950?s=20

The blue states are about to fully re-open despite the numbers they claimed were the reason for the restrictions in the first place being worse right now. Nothing scientific about it, purely political.

They also just changed what counts as a 'positive'. Now instead of every test, including false positives, counted as a Covid case they are going to require two positive tests AND a display of symptoms before they count it positive now. I guess all the heart attacks, car wrecks and gunshot victims will stop being counted as Covid deaths as well. Should definitely help the numbers going forward. Timing of this is in no way suspicious


https://twitter.com/EthicalSke...007326451044355?s=20

Also, in a purely none political move, CNN removed the daily Covid 'Death Tracker' that they displayed 24/7. The Washington Free Beacon has decided to pick up where CNN has decided that the pandemic is over:
https://freebeacon.com/coronav...covid-death-tracker/

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The blue states are about to fully re-open despite the numbers they claimed were the reason for the restrictions in the first place being worse right now. Nothing scientific about it, purely political.

They also just changed what counts as a 'positive'. Now instead of every test, including false positives, counted as a Covid case they are going to require two positive tests AND a display of symptoms before they count it positive now. I guess all the heart attacks, car wrecks and gunshot victims will stop being counted as Covid deaths as well. Should definitely help the numbers going forward. Timing of this is in no way suspicious

Amazing isn't it?

and don't forget to take out all the influenza and pneumonia cases as well...wouldn't want them to skew the numbers

still don't wear a mask and apparently the sky is falling here in Arizona with a huge surge in cases

its all meaningless bullshit anyway

I have a better chance of contracting Ebola and dying than I do from the flu bug