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Originally posted by Ironbutt:
I don't care if people wear masks. If that makes them feel safer, fine. Hell, I don't care if they hide in their basements for the rest of their lives, but it's time they STFU & let the rest of us get on with our lives.

I've thought that from the beginning. Let people buy N95s if that's what they want and worry about themselves. I spend my days 18" from unmasked patients while I work on their teeth. If my N95 is good enough there, it would certainly be good enough for someone passing unmasked in Home Depot.

Funny thing. All the dentists & hygienists I've known in the last 40 or so years have worn masks while working on patients, yet our state closed dentist's offices down for months during the big shutdown last year.

State liquor stores & beer distributors were considered essential businesses & allowed to remain open. Ya' gotta' have your priorities, I guess.

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:

Funny thing. All the dentists & hygienists I've known in the last 40 or so years have worn masks while working on patients, yet our state closed dentist's offices down for months during the big shutdown last year.

State liquor stores & beer distributors were considered essential businesses & allowed to remain open. Ya' gotta' have your priorities, I guess.

The rationale for shutting down dental and elective surgeries in March was to preserve PPE for the hospitals. I'm not sure it was a valid reason, but it wasn't based on transmission in the office.

Looks like Merck and Sanofi have discontinued/delayed C19 vaccine development citing an inability to safely develop an effective immune response.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/life...esponses/ar-BB1d4ip4

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...officer_3668880.html

Vaccinated People May Still Spread CCP Virus: UK Medical Officer

BY ALEXANDER ZHANG

January 24, 2021 Updated: January 24, 2021
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People who have received two doses of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus vaccine may still spread the virus to others, a senior British medical officer has warned.

Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, England’s deputy chief medical officer, said on Jan. 24 that “we do not yet know the impact of the vaccine on transmission of the virus.”

“So even after you have had both doses of the vaccine you may still give COVID-19 to someone else and the chains of transmission will then continue,” he wrote in the Sunday Telegraph.

Therefore, he urged the millions of Britons who have already been vaccinated to keep following the lockdown rules.

“If you change your behaviour you could still be spreading the virus, keeping the number of cases high and putting others at risk who also need their vaccine but are further down the queue.”
Jonathan Van-Tam
Jonathan Van-Tam, England’s deputy chief medical officer, speaks during a virtual press conference inside 10 Downing Street, in central London, UK, on Dec. 2, 2020. (John Sibley/Pool/AFP via Getty Images)

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said on Sunday that Van-Tam “is right”.

“Vaccines are the way out of this pandemic, but everyone must follow the rules, even once we’ve had the vaccine,” he wrote on Twitter.

Van-Tam also warned that “no vaccine has ever been 100 percent effective” and “no-one will have 100 percent protection from the virus.”

Earlier this month, a British nurse wrote in a Facebook post that he tested positive for the virus even though he received his first dose of the vaccine on Dec. 8, 2020. His second dose on Jan. 5 was cancelled and four weeks later he tested positive for the virus, which causes the COVID-19 disease.

Van-Tam said that the immune response is “only fully trained up around two or three weeks after you have each of your two jabs.”

“If you are older it’s better to allow at least three weeks. You can still get COVID-19 in this time.”

He added that “the way to reduce everyone’s risk is to break the chains of transmission and really push down the number of cases.”

He further warned that there are still “very high” numbers of hospital admissions and deaths, with a quarter of people hospitalised under the age of 55.

By Saturday, 5,861,351 people had received the first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine in the UK, the government said.

Public Health England reported on Saturday that there were 33,552 new CCP virus cases across the UK and 1,348 deaths within 28 days of a positive test.

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WHO Changes Definition of Herd Immunity

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...mmunity_3659658.html


Public health policies, public perception potentially affected as terminology changes

In a shocking reversal that’s akin to redefining reality, the World Health Organization has changed its definition of herd immunity. Herd immunity occurs when enough people acquire immunity to an infectious disease such that it can no longer spread widely in the community.

When the number susceptible is low enough to prevent epidemic growth, herd immunity is said to have been reached. Prior to the introduction of vaccines, all herd immunity was achieved via exposure to and recovery from an infectious disease.

Eventually, as vaccination became widespread, the concept of herd immunity evolved to include not only the naturally acquired immunity that comes from prior illness, but also the temporary acquired immunity that can occur after vaccination.

The WHO, however, quietly revised this concept in an Orwellian move that totally removes natural infection from the equation.

Redefining Herd Immunity
In June 2020, WHO’s definition of herd immunity, posted on one of their COVID-19 Q&A pages, was in line with the widely accepted concept that has been the standard for infectious diseases for decades. Here’s what it originally said, courtesy of the Internet Archive’s Wayback machine:

“Herd immunity is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection.”

It should be noted that “immunity developed through previous infection” is the way it has worked since humans have been alive. Your immune system isn’t designed to get vaccines. It’s designed to work in response to exposure to an infectious agent. Apparently, according to WHO, that’s no longer the case. As of October 2020, here’s their updated definition of herd immunity, which is now “a concept used for vaccination”:

“‘Herd immunity,’ also known as ‘population immunity,’ is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached. Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it.

“Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies,’ just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease but—crucially—vaccines work without making us sick. Vaccinated people are protected from getting the disease in question and passing it on, breaking any chains of transmission.”

This perversion of science implies that the only way to achieve herd immunity is via vaccination, which is blatantly untrue. The startling implications for society, however, are that by putting out this false information, they’re attempting to change our perception of what’s true and not true, leaving people believing that they must artificially manipulate their immune systems as the only way to stay safe from infectious disease.

CDC, Others Haven’t Adopted WHO’s Skewed Definition
As of this writing, other high-profile medical organizations haven’t signed on to WHO’s skewed definition of herd immunity. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for instance, in their Vaccine Glossary of Terms, defines community immunity, also known as herd immunity, as follows:

“A situation in which a sufficient proportion of a population is immune to an infectious disease (through vaccination and/or prior illness) to make its spread from person to person unlikely. Even individuals not vaccinated (such as newborns and those with chronic illnesses) are offered some protection because the disease has little opportunity to spread within the community.”

The Mayo Clinic, as of Jan. 6, 2020, also stated, “There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 — vaccines and infection,” noting:

“Herd immunity can also be reached when a sufficient number of people in the population have recovered from a disease and have developed antibodies against future infection. For example, those who survived the 1918 flu (influenza) pandemic were later immune to infection with the H1N1 flu, a subtype of influenza A.”

In a 2020 JAMA Patient Page on herd immunity, Dr. Angel Desai, associated editor of JAMA Network Open, and Dr. Maimuna Majumder with Boston Children’s Hospital, Harvard Medical School, also explain that herd immunity may be achieved via natural infection and recovery:

“Herd immunity may be achieved either through infection and recovery or by vaccination … Achieving herd immunity through infection relies on enough people being infected with the disease and recovering from it, during which they develop antibodies against future infection.”

Naturally Acquired Immunity Is Longer Lasting
Public health officials often state that vaccination offers you a chance to acquire immunity to an illness without having to get sick from it. What they don’t typically mention, aside from the risks inherent in all vaccines, is that the resulting immunity from vaccination is not the same as that achieved via natural infection.

Many vaccines do not provide long-lasting or lifelong immunity. Vaccines only confer temporary artificial immunity and sometimes they fail to do that. This is why booster shots are needed. Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), explains why this is so problematic using the example of measles:

“What the medical literature shows is that baby boomers and the generation before us acquired natural immunity, which is qualitatively superior. It’s longer-lasting than vaccine-acquired immunity.”

“Vaccine-acquired immunity is not the same as naturally acquired immunity. That has been the problem from the very beginning with the creation of these vaccines. They have never understood how to make vaccines mimic naturally acquired immunity exactly.”

“I think the most shocking part, whenever I go into the medical literature, is understanding how much they do not know about the functioning of the immune system, about how infections confer immunity and how vaccines stimulate artificial immunity.”

WHO Also Changed the Definition of ‘Pandemic’
The WHO had previously changed the definition of “pandemic,” in a way that could have affected how we classify COVID-19. The WHO’s original definition of a pandemic from May 1, 2009, specified simultaneous epidemics worldwide “with enormous numbers of deaths and illnesses:”

“An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity, resulting in several, simultaneous epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness.”

This definition was changed in the month leading up to the 2009 swine flu pandemic, removing the severity and high mortality criteria and leaving the definition of a pandemic as “a worldwide epidemic of a disease.”

This switch in definition allowed WHO to declare swine flu a pandemic after a mere 144 people had died from the infection, worldwide, and it’s why COVID-19 is still promoted as a pandemic even though there is enough data to suggest the lethality of COVID-19 is on par with the seasonal flu.

Another example of WHO conveniently changing former truths occurred in June 2020. During a press briefing, Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO’s technical lead for the COVID-19 pandemic, made it very clear that people who have COVID-19 without any symptoms “rarely” transmit the disease to others. In a dramatic about-face, WHO then backtracked on the statement just one day later.

On June 9, 2020, Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of WHO’s emergencies program, quickly backpedaled Van Kerkhove’s statement, saying the remarks were “misinterpreted or maybe we didn’t use the most elegant words to explain that.”

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, for those who aren’t aware, is the biggest funder of WHO, and Bill Gates, along with Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), are among those who have stated that life cannot return to normal until there is a vaccine against COVID-19.

“Humankind has never had a more urgent task than creating broad immunity for coronavirus,” Gates wrote on his blog in April 2020. “Realistically, if we’re going to return to normal, we need to develop a safe, effective vaccine. We need to make billions of doses, we need to get them out to every part of the world, and we need all of this to happen as quickly as possible.”

Gates has even stated he “suspect[s] the COVID-19 vaccine will become part of the routine newborn immunization schedule” and has gone on record saying the U.S. needs disease surveillance and a national tracking system18 that could involve vaccine records embedded on our bodies (such as invisible ink quantum dot tattoos described in a Science Translational Medicine paper)

Vaccine passports, which will be attached to cellphone apps that track and trace your COVID-19 test results and vaccination status, are already here and expected to become “widely available” during the first half of 2021. The rollout of widespread COVID-19 vaccination, coupled with tracking and tracing of COVID-19 test results and vaccination status, raises concern that in the future, government authorities will have the tools for biometric surveillance and additional tracking and tracing.

What if COVID-19, which causes only minor symptoms in the majority of people—and causes no symptoms in others—has already spread throughout communities such that natural herd immunity exists? WHO quickly dismisses this possibility, stating:

“Attempts to reach ‘herd immunity’ through exposing people to a virus are scientifically problematic and unethical. Letting COVID-19 spread through populations, of any age or health status will lead to unnecessary infections, suffering and death. The vast majority of people in most countries remain susceptible to this virus. Seroprevalence surveys suggest that in most countries, less than 10 percent of the population have been infected with COVID-19.”

This contradicts data suggesting that some areas may already have reached the herd immunity threshold (HIT). According to The New York Times, more than a dozen scientists said in interviews that the HIT for COVID-19 is likely 50 percent or lower. “If that’s true, then it may be possible to turn back the coronavirus more quickly than once thought,” the Times reported, and perhaps without the need for a vaccine.

Herd immunity is calculated using reproductive number, or R-naught (R0), which is the estimated number of new infections that may occur from one infected person. R0 of below 1 (with R1 meaning that one person who’s infected is expected to infect one other person) indicates that cases are declining while R0 above 1 suggests cases are on the rise.

It’s far from an exact science, however, as a person’s susceptibility to infection varies depending on many factors, including their health, age and contacts within a community. The initial R0 calculations for COVID-19’s HIT were based on assumptions that everyone has the same susceptibility and would be mixing randomly with others in the community.

“That doesn’t happen in real life,” Dr. Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health, told The Times. “Herd immunity could vary from group to group, and subpopulation to subpopulation,” or even ZIP code.

When real-world scenarios are factored into the equation, the HIT drops significantly, with some experts saying it could be as low as 10 percent to 20 percent. In fact, as the Times suggested, it’s possible that herd immunity for the pandemic is “ahead of schedule.”

Researchers from Oxford, Virginia Tech, and the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine are among those that found when individual variations in susceptibility and exposure are taken into account, the HIT declines to less than 10 percent. By that number, and using WHO’s estimate that less than 10 percent of the population has already been infected, the HIT could already be met or quickly approaching—all via naturally acquired immunity.

Dr. Joseph Mercola is the founder of Mercola.com. An osteopathic physician, best-selling author, and recipient of multiple awards in the field of natural health, his primary vision is to change the modern health paradigm by providing people with a valuable resource to help them take control of their health. This article was originally published on Mercola.com

Fauci knew exactly what this virus was from the very beginning. He's lied about everything all along for his own personal gain and for the democrat party. He is an evil bastard that should be rotting in a prison cell right now.

Who knew.
Interesting statistic.

Dr. Anthony Fauci: The Highest Paid Employee In The Entire U.S. Federal Government

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Well, orthopedic surgeons make considerably more. I will not even mention CEOs of major corporations. I am not a fan of Fauci, so this is not in defense of him.

Yes, outside of Government many have a higher salary.

Dr. Fauci is not an orthopedic surgeon he has always specialized in Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

It is just interesting in that he is the highest paid in the Federal Government.
I can think of many other positions within the Federal Government which I would have guessed made more.

That’s all, just interesting that he has the top salary in the Federal Government.
My post was poor in that it implied I was astonished by his salary, which I am not.
Not the dollar amount just ranking.

You don't get much for your money these days.

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Well, orthopedic surgeons make considerably more.

How many times ya think Fauci has had to worry about getting sued in the past 30 years? The answer, 'zero' since he hasn't seen a patient in that amount of time. This guy is nothing but a bloviating bureaucrat with a real value hovering somewhere near that of a grocery store stocking clerk.

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Steve Hilton Report: Dr. Anthony Fauci Is Directly Responsible with Funding the Gain-of-Function Studies that Resulted in Coronavirus Pandemic

I watched this last night, if he's right, man oh man...

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They're already building the cover for continued mask wearing, panic and loss of rights.

There's an article in the paper this morning describing a new strain of Covid that's more contagious AND people may not be protected by previously having the virus or by being vaccinated with the current vaccines. They'll milk this for years to keep their restrictions in place.

I’ve been telling people this for a while now. It’s perpetual fear theater and some people can’t function if they’re not terrified of something. I use the term “function” very loosely in this context.

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Well, orthopedic surgeons make considerably more. I will not even mention CEOs of major corporations. I am not a fan of Fauci, so this is not in defense of him.

Seriously? You’re comparing private sector to government.

I understand that many members here do not agree with Dr. Brix (see how I understated that!). Her career included the US Army (retired Colonel), CDC HIV task force director, and traveled the world to help stop the spread of infectious diseases. This is a real-live virus disease expert.

She was interviewed on CBS News "Face the Nation" last Sunday. She was polite and explained some of the public misperceptions of her actions AND some things that were completely changed by the media. She was attacked by the ultra-conservatives and ultra-liberals alike. Even Nancy piled on! She swears she has never been political and bringing politics to her job was a no-no.

The scariest thing she said in the interview was that there were two streams of information going to the President: One stream was from her task force and another was an information stream of unknown origin. Trump was listening to and following the advice of the unknown source and talking about shit Brix had never heard of. He showed up at one public info meeting displaying a chart she had never seen before. Think about that a minute. The President was following the advice of UNKNOWN sources who told him what he wanted to hear rather than the advice of the task force of recognized experts he set up.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
Steve Hilton Report: Dr. Anthony Fauci Is Directly Responsible with Funding the Gain-of-Function Studies that Resulted in Coronavirus Pandemic

I watched this last night, if he's right, man oh man...

It's nice of FOX News and Steve Hilton to do this story now that it's too late. This information has been covered on alternate websites for months while MSM ignored it.

Dr. Fauci would like to personally thank the millions of useful idiots around the world for making it all possible.

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I understand that many members here do not agree with Dr. Brix (see how I understated that!). Her career included the US Army (retired Colonel), CDC HIV task force director, and traveled the world to help stop the spread of infectious diseases. This is a real-live virus disease expert.

She was interviewed on CBS News "Face the Nation" last Sunday. She was polite and explained some of the public misperceptions of her actions AND some things that were completely changed by the media. She was attacked by the ultra-conservatives and ultra-liberals alike. Even Nancy piled on! She swears she has never been political and bringing politics to her job was a no-no.

The scariest thing she said in the interview was that there were two streams of information going to the President: One stream was from her task force and another was an information stream of unknown origin. Trump was listening to and following the advice of the unknown source and talking about shit Brix had never heard of. He showed up at one public info meeting displaying a chart she had never seen before. Think about that a minute. The President was following the advice of UNKNOWN sources who told him what he wanted to hear rather than the advice of the task force of recognized experts he set up.

Probably because the task force came up with about as many useful suggestions as the greeter at Walmart.

^^^And this task force has been wrong about everything about this virus every step of the way. So why the hell would anyone trust them or listen to them anymore? Fauci has done a 180 on every damn thing he's ever said concerning this Chinese virus. Kiss my ass. I don't trust a single one if them.

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The scariest thing she said in the interview was that there were two streams of information going to the President: One stream was from her task force and another was an information stream of unknown origin. Trump was listening to and following the advice of the unknown source and talking about shit Brix had never heard of. He showed up at one public info meeting displaying a chart she had never seen before. Think about that a minute. The President was following the advice of UNKNOWN sources who told him what he wanted to hear rather than the advice of the task force of recognized experts he set up.

Your first mistake is watching anything from CBS.
Second, that paragraph is so full of bullshit. I do not believe any of that.
While Brix may have been someone on the Presidents panel and provided info. Many things she said could be picked apart as mis-information in retrospect. Her credibility at this point is very low.
So your post and your point is crap, imho.