^^^^ If only everyone shared that same rage, or at least indifference, towards these dickless tyrants, they'd be powerless. Open your businesses, throw away your masks, go on with your lives, and give these assholes the finger who are trying to take away your livelihoods. It's not the first person who does it though who matters. It's the second person to do it. And then the third. And the fourth. The defiance must spread. I try to do my part, but most times I feel like a pilgrim in an unholy land.

I hope Wolf dies a horrible, horrible death. Soon.

Asshole has COVID apparently, and I hope he dies of it.

I mean that with every fiber of my being and I will not apologize for the sentiment.

I made pretty good money in Pennsylvania. Plenty overtime, biannual pay raise's and good benefits.

But when a Democrat took office as Governor (Fast Eddie Rendell), one of first move's he made was a freeze on supervisor OT. No more time and a half, cash. Comp time, only.

I then saw the handwriting on the wall and counted by days to retirement.

The longer this goes on the more I am convinced that a bunch of people need to be sacrificed for the good of the country. A small price to pay.

After two days of testing positive for the ChiCom flu, comrade asshole has now tested negative.

I wonder if any reporter’s will have the balls to ask him how many of the spike in cases were mis-diagnosed?!

Seems like hundreds of pages back there was a post (a very good one IMO) regarding difference between "cases" and positive tests, and how most every other medical diagnosis required a set of clinical guidelines to be met. Covid has no such standard thus inflating numbers. It is not easy to learn if any false positives are removed, what that % might be, if symptomatic people are counted separately as a subset, or what percentage are repeat tests.

Anybody know?

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Originally posted by preten2b:
Seems like hundreds of pages back there was a post (a very good one IMO) regarding difference between "cases" and positive tests, and how most every other medical diagnosis required a set of clinical guidelines to be met. Covid has no such standard thus inflating numbers. It is not easy to learn if any false positives are removed, what that % might be, if symptomatic people are counted separately as a subset, or what percentage are repeat tests.

Anybody know?

Prior to SARS-CoV-2, "cases" have always been associated with clinical signs and any testing was considered confirmatory. Regarding the current qRT-PCR testing under the FDA's EUA, the cycle threshold(CT) is 40. The best available data we have is that you can't culture the virus from samples that are positive with a CT over 35. So any "positive case" is non-infective and no danger to anyone - a classic "false positive. Most labs DO NOT report the CT when they transmit the results of the test so there is no way to remove those false positives from the data. Recognizing the problem, Florida recently passed a law requiring that the labs include the CT in the lab results. Every state should do that and anyone testing "positive", even with clinical signs should demand the CT for their results to get an idea of their viral load. Under 25, you likely have a high viral load and may want to explore more aggressive treatment and isolation measures.

^^^^ Thank you. While that helps it also leaves me with other thoughts.

Am I understanding correctly that there is a standard in the CT result which is "positive" even if it is 5 away from being an infectious person? Granted I do not know what the cycle threshold (CT) scale represents but it seems a little like 5 under the speed limit would get you a speeding ticket w/o telling you why.

AND ... Florida is the only state which requires the CT reading (with few others reporting)? Are we really shutting down again because (sarcastic analogy-on) our officials say we have a fever, but no one will tell us what the exact temperature is? 98.8 is not the same as 102.5, right?

Lets see, COVID vs vodka....Uhhh....so what that means is that no one in Russia will be taking the vaccine

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Originally posted by roberth:

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Originally posted by sdy:
https://justthenews.com/politi...er-receiving-vaccine

Russian health officials are warning citizens that their newly developed Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine could strain the body if mixed with alcohol during the first two months of vaccination.

/snip

Popova also added that the intake of alcohol should stop two weeks prior to being vaccinated.

/snip

What the hell is this "vaccine" doing to the liver?

do we have any idea if someone has had teh virus, tetsed postive and then test neg can they still pass it on to another person???

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Originally posted by preten2b:
^^^^ Thank you. While that helps it also leaves me with other thoughts.

Am I understanding correctly that there is a standard in the CT result which is "positive" even if it is 5 away from being an infectious person? Granted I do not know what the cycle threshold (CT) scale represents but it seems a little like 5 under the speed limit would get you a speeding ticket w/o telling you why.

AND ... Florida is the only state which requires the CT reading (with few others reporting)? Are we really shutting down again because (sarcastic analogy-on) our officials say we have a fever, but no one will tell us what the exact temperature is? 98.8 is not the same as 102.5, right?

It's exponential. Each cycle amplifies the result by a factor of 2. The difference between 2^35 and 2^40 is 2^5 or 32x higher.

Tests....I don't know what to believe.
One of my grandsons was feeling a little sick, fever, nausea. Got him in for covid test (took two days) came back positive.
He was only sick for a day and a half.
Dept. of health called said to quarantine till 12/18 and test everyone in house.
The other four people in the house and myself got tested all negative.
If its so damn contagious why was everyone else negative?
Was my grandson test a false positive?
And quarantine from 11/28 till 12/18.
Also dept of health wanted all the households names and phone number.
I would have thought that someone in the house would have caught it.
Will never know.

How old is grandson? It could be that his strong immune system knocked down the virus before it had a chance to become contagious.

I'm not a doctor or scientist, but from everything I've read about people getting different results on several consecutive days, I don't feel the tests are reliable at all.

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
I'm not a doctor or scientist, but from everything I've read about people getting different results on several consecutive days, I don't feel the tests are reliable at all.

Ah come on man. 50% false positive isn’t that high. Neither is 50% false negative. Why do you have to be so picky? Next you’ll want to talk about contaminated test kits from China that already have the virus in them. Gee whiz man, why are you throwing shade on the narrative?

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Originally posted by golddot:
do we have any idea if someone has had teh virus, tetsed postive and then test neg can they still pass it on to another person???

We can not say for certain for any individual but basic virology suggests to me that if you test negative (assuming it is a not a "false negative" test), you will not be carrying much in the way of infectious viral particles with which to infect someone with.

Hope that helps.

False positives are rare. It would almost have to botched, like cross-contaminated samples or even mixed up patient samples. They do happen, however.

False negatives are much more common. It could be several of you are infected, but the virus hasn't replicated enough to be detected.

If you really wanted to be sure, you might wait a week and all get the swab test again, or wait a couple weeks and do the anti-body test (blood sample).

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Originally posted by kkina:
How old is grandson? It could be that his strong immune system knocked down the virus before it had a chance to become contagious.

......................

He is 18 and very healthy.
The day he got sick his dr.
called in a prescription for
a "Z pack" antibiotic.
Good idea to get rechecked.

If you really wanted to be sure, you could order an antibody test for just the grandson. Then you'd know for sure if he really had it. If your health insurance covers the cost, great, otherwise the test runs about $100 or so.

The more folks are locked down, the worse it will get, there is a big divide between those who have bought the "TEOTWAWKI" version of COVID and those tired of having their rights trampled by government officials.

Beating the guy for his "Ken" moment wasn't the right thing to do, but it reads like there was more going on than the article shows.



Man attacked for being a Maskhole

Ocean Shores man attacked after confronting men for not wearing masks

An Ocean Shores man said he was attacked for confronting two men for not wearing masks, and now he’s worried police are not properly investigating the case.

Daniel Troublefield, 43, said he was at the Ocean Shores IGA Sunday night when he called someone out for not wearing a mask. Inside the store, he said the conversation turned heated, But he thought that was the end of it. However, he was not expecting what happened once he walked outside.

“I curled up in the fetal position and I was just ready to die,” said Troublefield.

He shared this surveillance video with KIRO 7 News, which he got from the neighboring drug store. The video shows him in the parking lot walking out to his white car, but he walks past it as he was taunted by the maskless men.

“They kept berating me with expletives, calling me a snowflake and it’s not science, it’s a hoax,” Troublefield recalled.

Looking back, Daniel said he wishes he ignored them.

“To my regret I walked up to the car. I was trying to explain it is science and you should be wearing a mask because you’re endangering me and everyone else in the store by not having a mask on,” Troublefield said.

That’s when things escalated even further.

“The gentleman tapped on my chest. And I flipped up his hat, and that’s when they both got out of the car,” Troublefield explained.

The video’s quality isn’t great, but you can see someone is thrown to the ground.

“One grabbed me by the neck in a chokehold and got me down to the ground. And before I knew it, I was getting my face pummeled with fists,” Troublefield explained.

The beating lasted about 20 seconds. The men took off and now he’s worried they’re going to get away and he won’t get justice.

“I don’t feel the police are doing enough,” Troublefield said. “I’m in the dark right now about everything.”

Ocean Shores Police said the investigation is ongoing and they don’t know whether it was an assault or self-defense.

Troublefield, a disabled Marine veteran, said he never threw one punch and even passed out. His nose is now fractured, he’s had to get stitches, and he’s got bruises on his face and body.

“I’d like to see the two gentleman locked up in jail. I’d like for them to pay for what they did,” Troublefield said. “I don’t think any human being deserves to be treated like I was treated.”

Troublefield said this was the first time he’s ever confronted anyone for not wearing a mask. He said he was compelled to because both he and his wife have preexisting conditions. He said he’s frustrated that people aren’t taking the pandemic seriously and putting everyone else at risk. But he also said this will be the last time he’ll ever say anything again.