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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
speaking of BS. It either is, or is not a concern. Marching over a concern does not provide any special immunity.

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Hey look. It's a retard being interviewed by a retard. This BS is just so tiring at this point given the agenda of this garbage is now very clear and evident to everyone.

All this bullshit for 9200 deaths. We didn’t destroy the country because of texting while driving deaths. We didn’t destroy the economy because of drunk driving deaths.

Time to start figuring out how to get even with the people that did all this crap to us for no justifiable reason.

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Yesterday we went to a new furniture store and they were taking everyone’s temperature at the door. It’s no one’s business what my temperature is. It’s unbelievable that people merrily go along with whatever they’re told to do, no questions asked.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
There are a number of positive things that have come from the pandemic, but I see very little written about this subject.

Please, do tell. No trivialities, please.

It's been discussed that COVID having shut down the normal activities of sitting in front of a game station, or watching pro sports families are doing things outdoors together.

Motorhome sales, side by sides, bikes, motorcycles, tents, camping gear, fishing, et all are hot sellers as people get out of their homes and back into doing things out doors together.

So that's a good thing that hopefully continues post pandemic..

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...ols-backordered.html

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
There are a number of positive things that have come from the pandemic, but I see very little written about this subject.
Please, do tell. No trivialities, please.

^^^^^^^^^^^
Less traffic and pollution. Moves to increase internet connectivity, expansion of Telemedicince services. I am sure there are others. I do not believe these are trivial.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
There are a number of positive things that have come from the pandemic, but I see very little written about this subject.

Please, do tell. No trivialities, please.

Totally serious, I had a fast license renewal at the DMV. No huge lines, no bullshit, in and out in 10 minutes.

Edit to add: I’d go back to the days of a two hour renewal hassle to get the rest of life back to normal.

Sorry, less traffic and pollution and better internet connections? That does not balance the scale of the utter catastrophe of this entirely unnecessary monkey fuck we've been subjected to. Not even close. It's a BB compared to a bowling ball.

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Originally posted by Leemur:
Totally serious, I had a fast license renewal at the DMV. No huge lines, no bullshit, in and out in 10 minutes.

Listen to what you're saying. You're talking about an empty world.

These arguments are completely unconvincing

I agree that it does not balance the negative changes that have occurred. I am just tired of the constant negativity from the media. Every night the lead story is how many new cases, how many have died and the projections down the line. I am sick of it. You can limit your media exposure but someone is sure to remind you.

I had the same experience at the DMV, in and out in 10 minutes.

Then I thought about WHY I was in and out in 10 minutes.

Then I was sick and angry because of all the lies and deceit we continue to endure about this. I came to the conclusion that I'd rather have waited 2 hours than watch millions of people's lives get uprooted for political theater.

Divorce rate increase during the Whoo Hoo Floo?
I would buy that. I think that many relationships fail when both people are right up in each others face 24/7. My long term relationships lasted because we were not together 24/7 so when we did get together, we were glad to see each other and wanted to spend time together.
Add kids into the mix that many people normally farm out to school, sports or day care and the "aint you dead yet" syndrome takes over.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I am just tired of the constant negativity from the media. Every night the lead story is how many new cases, how many have died and the projections down the line. I am sick of it.

This ^^^^^^ is exactly the primary use of the MUTE BUTTON on my remote!!!! When the "news" start that shit......I just mute them out, and it give ME control.....not them.

Well, HomeDepot did OK.

If only we'd been smart enough to buy more in mid March.



Lowes did even better.

another article on NYC w some numbers

https://thehill.com/opinion/fi...eration-or-even-more

Just a year before David Berkowitz started his infamous crime spree, and two years before the carnage of looting and broken glass of the blackout of 1977, New York City stood at the edge of an abyss. It faced bankruptcy and spiking crime. When you stepped off the plane in 1975 at Laguardia Airport, you were greeted with a pamphlet emblazoned with a skull and bold letters that said “Welcome to Fear City.”

The survival guide offered stark advice on how to hide your property, how to avoid violence and robberies, and most of all, “until things change, stay away from New York City if you possibly can.” Plainclothes police officers handed them out as a clear warning. Now there is further tumult almost a generation later. Step out of a cab in Brooklyn or the Bronx today and the same pamphlet may as well be making the rounds.

The incredible run of New York City under both Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg today seems like a distant memory

But due to the perfect storm of Bill De Blasio, rioters, and the coronavirus, New York City today is looking far more like the abyss of 1975.


Over the last year, the overall wealth of New York City residents fell by more than 11 percent, representing over $330 billion in lost economic power. United Van Lines has reported that 61 percent of residents leaving Manhattan earn over $100,000. State tax collections from New York City dropped dramatically since the pandemic started, down 32 percent in May and 46 percent in June.

New York City has a $9 billion budget deficit, and the state deals with a $30 billion budget deficit. Even before the pandemic, New York City had faced fiscal armageddon. Lacking money from the backbone of its high taxes, the social programs and public payrolls need extensive cuts. New York City is now bracing for 22,000 layoffs, and the state has instituted a salary freeze and slashed $4 billion from its budget

Many businesses have been closed, while a third of the small businesses in New York City will likely not return. Projections include the decline of gross domestic product of $115 billion. New York City is simply losing more middle class and high income residents than it can afford to continue as the financial and cultural center of the world.

New York City may return, but just as in the 1970s, it may take a hiatus lasting decades

For De Blasio and Andrew Cuomo, fiscal salvation comes in only one form, which is the election of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris

The Democratic duo could push forth an economic bailout that would bring Gerald Ford back to life. Liberal localities and blue states are simply riding out the current crisis hoping for a lifeline to continue their fiscal waste.

Why is the revelation that the CDC over-estimated the deaths not making more traction?

Where is the outrage?

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New CDC report says 94% of COVID deaths had underlying conditions, only 6% died from COVID alone

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has issued a new report detailing how many COVID-19 deaths in America also involved other underlying health conditions.

According to the report, only 6% of the COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. list COVID-19 as the only cause of death. 94% of COVID-19 deaths involved at least one other underlying health condition, and on average involved "2.6 additional conditions or causes of death."

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.The new report on the CDC's website states:

The CDC listed the top underlying medical conditions linked to coronavirus deaths as:

Influenza and pneumonia
Respiratory failure
Hypertensive disease
Diabetes
Vascular and unspecified dementia
Cardiac Arrest
Heart failure
Renal failure
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events
Other medical conditions


According to the CDC, 9,683 people have died in the United States having only COVID-19 listed on their death certificate as cause of death. At the time the CDC report was released, 161,392 deaths had been attributed to COVID-19 in the U.S.Link

I'm not sure this means what many of us think it does. The CDC report uses the term comorbidity, which I take to mean the individual was found to have more than one condition at the time of death contributing to morbidity. The author of the article linked, however, uses a different term, "underlying health conditions", to infer, it seems to me, that these were pre-existing conditions. I do not pretend to be an expert, but these two terms do not mean the same thing. What I'm saying is the virus likely caused a lot of the comorbidities. So some were underlying, or preexisting in the context of the article, and others were not.

For instance, people don't die from the flu as much as they die from complications of the flu. What I find strange is the 6% of death certificates list no other comorbidities. So how exactly did these people die?

I have no doubt a lot of the deaths involved pre-existing underlying health conditions, I just don't think that's what Table 3 in this report says. But, I'm also not sure what Table 3 of the report is actually trying to say either.

We could really use from insight from one of our members in medicine field here. Am I barking up the wrong tree?

And a perfect example of the Californian, leftist mindset of the people flooding into Republican states from places like California and then immediately want to change it into what they just fled from.

Here is a post my wife just sent me off of her Facebook page of the type of people invading my state and town in oder to escape their leftist utopia. Ungrateful pieces of shit. So typical. They want everything provided by public schools but are ecstatic about the lower taxes they are now paying. So what will they do? No doubt they'll vote for higher taxes so the government will provide extracurricular activities that most here in Park City know are paid for outside of the public dole. I pay to have my daughter get ski lessons. I pay for her to take gymnastics. I pay for her to take swimming. I pay for her take dance. I don't need the fucking government to offer such things.

Damned Californian, leftist implants! GET. OUT.

And school security? Here in Utah, teachers and parents alike can carry as they please within the public schools. We have all the security the 2nd amendment provides.

They’ve already infested FL. You see so many moving to FL with NY and NJ plates.

They need to stay there and live with the consequences of their elections.

A lot of NY plates in N. Georgia too.

Alan, what was her response?

"Dear Citizens of Eagar,
Over the past several weeks I have been asked repeatedly what the Town of Eagar plans to do about Covid19, masks, visitors, riots, etc.

It is somewhat alarming how many expect and almost invite a more drastic infringement on their freedoms. My response from the onset of the Covid19 pandemic has been that we will err on the side of freedom. When riots began to riddle the country and our governor took the drastic measure of a statewide curfew, again, I maintained that we will err on the side of freedom.

I have received numerous phone calls from reporters, citizens, visitors, and complete strangers to our area asking why the Town of Eagar has not cancelled upcoming rodeos and our 4th of July parade. Again, my response is that Eagar will err on the side of freedom.

What authority does the Town of Eagar, or any other state or local government, have to infringe on the rights of healthy law- abiding citizens?

It bares mentioning that I am not one that believes that the coronavirus is fake or any one of a dozen other theories disseminating across the internet. Covid19 is a real virus that unfortunately has drastic negative effects on the health of some of the individuals that contract it. Just as with the flu virus, some of those individuals will die.

I do not make light of the fact that its effects on individuals and families throughout the globe have been and will continue to be life changing and/or life ending.

There are many individuals that risk serious peril if they were to contract the virus. Those individuals should take extreme precautions. I certainly would were I in their position. In fact, I would invite those individuals to please stay home and not attend our festivities.

But don’t ask that the government require it of healthy law-abiding citizens. If an individual is fearful of contracting the virus, I would invite that individual to take every precaution they deem fit; including wearing masks, gloves, or a variety of other personal protective equipment. Those precautions do not harm me and I will not judge you adversely for doing what you feel is best for you. But don’t ask that the government require it of healthy law-abiding citizens.

As grim as Covid19 is portrayed under the most drastic scenario, I dare say that we are facing a much more serious pandemic here in America. We are currently in the midst of the nation’s first political pandemic. Never before in the history of America has ignorance and bigotry been more celebrated. Never before has our government been more eager and willing to take away freedoms from the citizenry. Never before has the citizenry been more willing to give them up.

Benjamin Franklin warned that “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety”. I believe his warning is as applicable today as it ever was.

Some will say that these safety measures have not impacted individual liberty. To them I would quip Thomas Jefferson: “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” The right to move about freely in public is one of the cornerstones of American democracy.

In a panicked frenzy, created by the media, state and local governments trampled that right wholesale. History will not judge us kindly for our actions over the past several months.
In closing, where would America be if our ancestors that pioneered the countryside, facing a mortality rate that would make the coronavirus look like a scratch, had simply given up, turned back, or laid down and died out of fear? Where would America be if its brave service men and women, who throughout history have on occasion faced odds of almost certain death, simply refused to fight out of fear? When did we stop being the land of the free and the home of the brave? Take charge of your own life. Nobody owes you anything. The government has never been more ill equipped to solve your problems nor is it its function to do so. This is America! Stand up and be somebody! Be brave and live free.
Mayor Bryce Hamblin Town of Eagar "


https://www.eagaraz.gov/sites/..._response_letter.pdf

I spoke with a friend this morning who has an 8 year old daughter. Yesterday morning, she came running into her parents' room, crying about a nightmare she had.

In the nightmare, she went back to school- not online, but the real school. She's wearing a mask but when she gets into the classroom, the teacher tells her all students must wear masks. She tells the teacher she is wearing a mask but the teacher says that's not good enough. The mask has to be sewn to her face or she'll die from coronavirus. So, the teacher lines up the kids and starts using a needle and thread to sew masks to the faces of her classmates. The kids are screaming it hurts it hurts and the teacher is telling them to shut up. As each of her classmates gets their mask sewn on, they stop crying and talking. They turn around and she sees the mask has been sewn on and the teacher has also sewn their lips together, and their eyes are now glass mirrors. The rest of the kids all crowd into a corner of the classroom pleading don't do it don't do it and she runs out of the room and down the hallway with the teacher chasing her and saying I have to sew up your mouth or you'll die.

Jesus, guys. Imagine going through this ridicuous shit show at that age. Poor kid. This isn't right. There's no two ways about it. This just isn't right.