Oh, so many leftist asses are gonna chap over this.

Nice slap to the face of Fauci as well.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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Can you put these paragraphs in the form of a question? I am not trying to be difficult, just not sure what you are asking.

Sure.
Will someone besides the patent holder be able to manufacture doses of a vaccine in a case where production needs outstrip their ability to supply in a timely manner?

I am no expert on this but I am sure the Chinese and Russians are trying. I would hope that we have enough internal controls and a solid distribution network to limit this. Counterfeit pharamaceuticals are very common in Mexico, the packaging is almost identical.
As far as other companies in the United States are concerned, I would imagine they would be allowed to help being that it is a national emergency. These drug companies have very sharp accountants and legal teams on board to make sure they get a piece of the pie.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
Will someone besides the patent holder be able manufacture doses of a vaccine in a case where production needs outstrip their ability to supply in a timely manner?

I'll answer that question with a question... Ever heard of the Defense Production Act? Because I suspect yes, if necessary.

I doubt there's ever going to be a vaccine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's never been a vaccine for this family of viruses.

We have what we need already and, as the video above states, the number of hydroxychloroquine doses issued over the decades numbers in the hundreds of millions. Hydroxychloroquine was approved for medical use in the United States 75 years ago. To call hydroxychloroquine well-tested is a monumental understatement.
Just issue hydroxychloroquine to everyone on the planet, then maybe the incessant hand-wringing, pants-pissing and shreiks about the end of the world will calm down to a dull roar.

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I'd be in favor of ANYTHING if it'll save my job come 1-OCT. To quote GEN Jack Beringer, "Hell...I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it'd do any good."

Mrs. Synthrob and I have been taking hydroxychloroquine for arthritis for about ten years. Absolutely no side effects.

My wife & I had the virus in March. We only found out because she had routine, (unrelated) bloodwork done in May for which her Dr. asked if she would also be tested for the virus. So we found out two months after the fact that she (and I) had it.

These are the details...We had family in from out of town who flew through Spokane a week before she got ill. My wife is an older woman with COPD & uses a Budesonide inhaler daily. She planted herself on the sofa for a week & complained her normal complaints like every other time she gets sick. She wasn't particularly miserable & as such we didn't think she fit the "I'm gonna die" profile we'd been hearing so much about at that time. I'm glad she never went to the hospital.

About three days into her bout, I felt tired for a few days & lost my sense of smell/taste for about a week. this is when I suspected COVID. I never felt anything else. I treated myself with bourbon, as is usually the case when I feel under the weather.

We didn't die, & honestly I've had regular seasonal colds that were worse.

On a side note, here is something I came across after the fact which may have had some bearing on her case:

https://www.hospimedica.com/co...nt-for-covid-19.html

So, either it was the Budesonide, or we were just blessed, or it's different for different people, but my wife fits the health profile of people who have suffered greatly then died. She didn't, Thank God.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
Will someone besides the patent holder be able to manufacture doses of a vaccine in a case where production needs outstrip their ability to supply in a timely manner?

It's off-patent and has been a generic drug for decades.

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Originally posted by Dakor:

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
Will someone besides the patent holder be able to manufacture doses of a vaccine in a case where production needs outstrip their ability to supply in a timely manner?

It's off-patent and has been a generic drug for decades.

What? He's talking about any new vaccine which may or may not be developed, I'm guessing you're referring to Hydroxychloroquine. Did you read the post you quoted?

What chaps my ass is many are not paying attention. Now they are attacking the doctors who spoke up, trying to paint them as crack pots. and anyone who believes them to be stupid. It drives me nuts.

As one of the doctors noted in the video, no other drug has elicited this amount of controversy and push back as doctors themselves have continually used or demanded to use it. That should be a huge indicator that something other than treatment and science is in play right now. Ultimately, the DEM's are willing to let people die and the economy fully melt down if it allows them the reins of power again. Truly disgusting people who need to be crushed.

Stoic-one,

Senior moment on my part & what I get for multi-tasking while reading / responding incorrectly.

To provide more details to answers from others, part of the evaluation and approval of any new vaccine requires a CMC (Chemistry Manufacturing & Control) review that will interrogate those procedures, including quality control and to a degree scalability. If it’s deemed too difficult for any firm (that has existing IP) to manufacture the necessary amounts, as others have noted the Feds can make sure that other potential manufacturers can produce the necessary materials as part of the “crisis”.

Another thing that makes me suspicious of all this is that HCQ has been used for 70+ years by millions, maybe billions of people with almost no problems, and is cheap. The new anti-viral drug they keep promoting as a treatment (until the mythical vaccine comes along), up to this point has not been approved for treating ANY disease, and hasn't been used by anyone other than those in the efficacy and safety studies, which usually aren't the very young or very old. Oh, and it is expensive as hell.

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Originally posted by redstone:
What chaps my ass is many are not paying attention. Now they are attacking the doctors who spoke up, trying to paint them as crack pots. and anyone who believes them to be stupid. It drives me nuts.

Um, she is doing quite a fine job painting herself as a crackpot. I'm not going to post links to her YouTube videos, but Google her name on YouTube, and go directly to source (herself), and decide for yourself. It is enlightening. Let's just say a lot of her opinions involve witchcraft, demons, alien DNA, and lizards running the government. Not someone you should be defending as a credible or reliable source of medical information.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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Can you put these paragraphs in the form of a question? I am not trying to be difficult, just not sure what you are asking.

Sure.
Will someone besides the patent holder be able to manufacture doses of a vaccine in a case where production needs outstrip their ability to supply in a timely manner?

There are contract labs with large production capacities that will contract to produce vaccine for anyone. One such lab located in College Station, TX was just given a $250,000+ Grant to hold capacity for Covid vaccine after Trump toured their headquarters facility in North Carolina.

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Originally posted by TAllen01:

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Originally posted by redstone:
What chaps my ass is many are not paying attention. Now they are attacking the doctors who spoke up, trying to paint them as crack pots. and anyone who believes them to be stupid. It drives me nuts.

Um, she is doing quite a fine job painting herself as a crackpot. I'm not going to post links to her YouTube videos, but Google her name on YouTube, and go directly to source (herself), and decide for yourself. It is enlightening. Let's just say a lot of her opinions involve witchcraft, demons, alien DNA, and lizards running the government. Not someone you should be defending as a credible or reliable source of medical information.

And she was the only one standing up there? She is the only MD saying that hydroxychloroquine is shown to be effective for COVID-19?

I've read your posts on this subject and your bias is apparent.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by TAllen01:

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Originally posted by redstone:
What chaps my ass is many are not paying attention. Now they are attacking the doctors who spoke up, trying to paint them as crack pots. and anyone who believes them to be stupid. It drives me nuts.

Um, she is doing quite a fine job painting herself as a crackpot. I'm not going to post links to her YouTube videos, but Google her name on YouTube, and go directly to source (herself), and decide for yourself. It is enlightening. Let's just say a lot of her opinions involve witchcraft, demons, alien DNA, and lizards running the government. Not someone you should be defending as a credible or reliable source of medical information.

And she was the only one standing up there? She is the only MD saying that hydroxychloroquine is shown to be effective for COVID-19?

I've read your posts on this subject and your bias is apparent.

I will gladly admit I am a skeptic until I see convincing, double-blind proof. So far, the data and studies are conflicting on this issue (although I know your views as well, as I better if I want to stay here). One day a study supports the use, another day a study comes out and says it does not. I'm just not convinced yet, so yes; so far, I have not been convinced by the evidence. I know that is not a popular opinion here, and I'll be glad to shut up if that is the better route.

No, you don't have to be quiet but you do need to avoid disingenuous behavior, such as singling out one physician whom you find to be an oddball. Again, I ask you- was she the only one standing up there? Is she the only MD saying hydroxychloroquine is shown to be effective for COVID-19? Let's not play games.