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Regarding Hydroxychloroquine, what's behind the FDA revoking its approval for use in treating the Wuhan Flu? I get that some people may see some side effects, but isn't that the case for every single medicinal pharmaceutical item in existence? Edit to clarify: From EZ_B's post on the previous page - "Third, concerns have been raised by the FDA and others about risks of cardiac arrhythmia, especially when hydroxychloroquine is given in combination with azithromycin. The FDA based its comments on data in its FDA Adverse Event Reporting System. This reporting system captured up to a thousand cases of arrhythmias attributed to hydroxychloroquine use. In fact, the number is likely higher than that, since the reporting system, which requires physicians or patients to initiate contact with the FDA, appreciably undercounts drug side effects. But what the FDA did not announce is that these adverse events were generated from tens of millions of patient uses of hydroxychloroquine for long periods of time, often for the chronic treatment of lupus or rheumatoid arthritis. Even if the true rates of arrhythmia are ten-fold higher than those reported, the harms would be minuscule compared to the mortality occurring right now in inadequately treated high-risk COVID-19 patients. This fact is proven by an Oxford University study of more than 320,000 older patients taking both hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, who had arrhythmia excess death rates of less than 9/100,000 users, as I discuss in my May 27 paper cited above. A new paper in the American Journal of Medicine by established cardiologists around the world fully agrees with this." As I read it, this means the FDA doesn't have any ground on which to ban the use of the drug, right? | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
This friggen guy again Doctor Fraudci will have us all in moon suits by Election Day. Trump clearly needs to find a way to rein in this snake and shut him up:
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Lighten up and laugh |
I posted the link two pages back, but here is the full article from the doctor from Yale.
https://www.newsweek.com/key-d...g-it-opinion-1519535 | |||
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A Grateful American |
My take on this from all the infromation that we have had the past six month is that the vast majority get the virus and are either asymptomatic or very light to moderate effect (yeah, much like a flu virus). People that get very sick and recover, and those that do not, are of two classes. The first, co-morbidity that results in poor immune system response, and those that end up with "cytokine storm". And both of those are also similar in those who get an influenza illness. Then the issue of what measures are taken to "try to save" the patients. In many cases, those intubated and given all the drug treatments, may be (as Skins metaphore explains) waiting too long to address the problem. And that is also, pretty much a "two part" issue as most people either are not seen early onset, because of the already limited health care due to shut downs and only prepping to deal with "run amok overwhelmed healthcare services" (my translation; part of the failure of over reaction to hype and the subsequent lack of people and resources, that we otherwise would have had). And lastly, the "spike of cases" is simply the greater number of people being tested, and the natural result of those tests revealing an already existing hard number (that were unknown before all the testing). The destruction to the economy and the continual toll this charade has resulted in, is most disturbing. Greater still, is people who truly still believe that this is a "population killer", and the measures taken, currently being (re-)implemented and further (where does it stop) measures that are likely, providing the "power" to continue to fetter freedom and liberty. Fear. It is a most powerful drug. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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I wish we were giving IQ tests as frequently as covid19 tests, just so we can have a clear idea of how many morons we truly have. Hydroxychloroquine, as stated, has been given to millions of people to treat over a dozen different diseases including malaria for decades. In sub Sahara, we use it to treat all kinds of tropical diseases. It is not an unknown drug. What is frustrating, is that it has become a political tool. I expect it to be in Africa with all the NGOs pushing their agendas, but not here. Experienced MDs are stating what is working for them and now they are getting character assassinated? Who cares if they believe in flying spaghetti monster, Santa Claus, voodoo, or space monkeys? There is no magic bullet for migraines, and there certainly won't be for this. I swear this virus is turning into Marsha, Marsha, Marsha for some people. _____________________________ Off finding Galt's Gulch | |||
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>> Why has hydroxychloroquine been disregarded? The answer to that question is glaringly obvious—because Trump encouraged its use from the start. Year V | |||
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Exactly. This bullshit won’t die down until after Election Day. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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That is a B-E-A-Utiful response!!!! "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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Made from a different mold |
Just one quick question for ya: Do you think we'd be hearing anything about a new vaccine if nobody (and I mean not one fucking person ever) was ever going to make money off of it? Answer honestly and I think you'll have all the reason in the world for hydroxychloroquine + Z-pak and Zinc not "being an effective treatment"! Unass your head. The amount of money in play here is enough to create nations or at least control the politics of nations like ours. ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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Just got a news ticker stating Herman Cain died after being hospitalized for coronavirus. _____________________ Be careful what you tolerate. You are teaching people how to treat you. | |||
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sad news https://www.breitbart.com/poli...le-with-coronavirus/ Herman Cain – our boss, our friend, like a father to so many of us – has passed away. He’s entering the presence of the Savior he’s served as an associate minister at Antioch Baptist Church in Atlanta for, and preparing for his reward. … Let me deal with some of the particulars of the last few weeks. We knew when he was first hospitalized with COVID-19 that this was going to be a rough fight. He had trouble breathing and was taken to the hospital by ambulance. We all prayed that the initial meds they gave him would get his breathing back to normal, but it became clear pretty quickly that he was in for a battle. We didn’t release detailed updates on his condition to the public or to the media because neither his family nor we thought there was any reason for that. There were hopeful indicators, including a mere five days ago when doctors told us they thought he would eventually recover, although it wouldn’t be quick. We were relieved to be told that, and passed on the news via Herman’s social media. And yet we also felt real concern about the fact that he never quite seemed to get to the point where the doctors could advance him to the recovery phase. Cain, who tested positive for the virus earlier this month, was in a high-risk category due to his status as a stage 4 colon cancer survivor | |||
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wishing we were congress |
This is a repost this video is long, but it is one of the best descriptions of COVIDS-19 and a particular way to treat it. | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Re: Herman Cain, RIP Of course the narrative now is “he died because he went to a Trump rally and didn’t wear a mask“ SMDH | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Herman Cain, a great man and a great American. Extremely sad news of his passing. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Though politicians and the media are populated with some of the dumbest people on the planet, together they have accomplished one key aspect for a huge majority of our population....they've convinced a majority of the US that if you get the virus, you're going to die. That lie has allowed them to maintain a stranglehold on this country. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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I'm still waiting on that conclusive study that mask wearing actually does curb the spread of the virus in the manner they claim. Still waiting.... ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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That's pretty much impossible unless you have a standardized definition of "mask". There's a world of difference between a fitted N95 and the rags most people are wearing. My guess would be that the N95 is pretty dang effective or every dentist in the US (including me) would be infected by now. The single layer bandanas are probably worthless and the surgical masks somewhere in between, but toward the semi-useless end. I am opposed to government mandating something that might kind of-sort of-maybe help. | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Not to take this off-track, but that's how we got a lot of gun control, ObamaCare and any number of environmental and buisness regulations. We may have to wait until the Kung Flu Hoo Hoo blows over, but there's a fundamental problem in there and it would be really nice to find a way to address it. | |||
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MNSIG do you use a face shield during a procedure? | |||
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^^^ This right here. Money, power, and control. Fuck the FDA, politicians, and all of them. I have a doctor I trust more than any of them and should be able to do whatever we decide. No politician, especially ours, should be able to dictate what I can and can’t do as far as treatment. It’s time to bring this crap to an end. | |||
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